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Dave Taylor

Posted: March 11, 2010 11:04 AM

This Week, Amazon Took Money Away From Me...

What's Your Reaction:

While the issue of Amazon.com canceling its affiliate relationship with all the Amazon Associates members based in the state of Colorado has already been covered here on HuffPost (see The Real Story on Amazon and Colorado), I wanted to bring a more personal perspective to the story because I am one of the affiliates who received the fateful notification from Amazon.

I signed up for the Associates program so many years ago that I can't remember a time when I didn't add an affiliate link to my blog entries about my books or just about anything else they sell that I wrote about. More recently, when I mentioned a cool gadget on Facebook or Twitter, I'd take the extra sixty seconds to make it an affiliate link because, well, why not earn the extra few pennies in revenue?

Fortunately, Amazon.com has never been a major revenue source for my online businesses (AskDaveTaylor.com), partly because their margins are so extraordinarily thin that my commission on a $50 sale wasn't even enough to buy a can of soda. Still, after years and years of membership in their program, I certainly didn't expect to be a pawn in the tussle between Amazon and the Colorado legislature, revolving around Colorado Bill HB-1193, but that's just what I've become.

Thanks a lot, Amazon. I thought we had a working relationship, but I guess I was wrong.

Here's what's so ironic: as Carol points out in the earlier Post article, Amazon firing all of us Associates doesn't change anything about their tax liability in the state. The only way they can affect that is to simply stop selling product to everyone in Colorado. Since they're not going to do that, they have instead decided that the collective loss of affiliate revenue from hundreds of Associates will cause enough pain that the legislature will revoke the law. I doubt it.

I'm not the only Associate who is upset with the situation. Nicki Hayes of Memolink shares this with me:

Memolink.com is fearful other online retailers will simply follow Amazon's actions and (wrongly) terminate their relationships with all Colorado affiliates. We are identifying and promoting merchants that are either already collecting sales tax in Colorado, or have carefully read the bill and recognize there is no need to terminate our relationship.

Everett Sizemore of CompareTheBrands.com has an even more radical response: he's hastening his move out of Colorado. His business was earning thousands monthly from Amazon and he can't afford the loss of revenue. He draws an interesting parallel:

Would you charge Colorado sales tax to everyone who buys a Volvo, no matter which state they buy in, simply because they subscribe to a magazine in which Volvo advertised, which just happens to be published in the state of Colorado? Compare The Brands is an online review publication that compares the features, quality and price of similar products made by different brands. The website is not hosted in Colorado; the visitors do not typically live in Colorado; and the merchants are not typically located in Colorado.

Colorado certainly doesn't want to lose entrepreneurs nor does it want to be unfriendly to new Internet business startups, but in this instance I have to say that it's Amazon, not the state, that's acting like a petulant child. The original HB-1193 was terrible and the final bill that was signed into law by Colorado Governor Ritter isn't much of an improvement, but the problem is inherent in the lack of an online sales tax (which Amazon has stated it's willing to pay, by the way).

Meanwhile, I get to be a pawn in this situation, an income stream shut off not because my continued participation in the Associates program somehow means Amazon will owe Colorado sales tax, but just because in the grand chess game, I'm apparently disposable.

Ya know what? It sucks.

 

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05:34 PM on 03/14/2010
I wonder why some of the writers believe a corporation that has warned they will perform some action in response to your legislators wouldn't have taken the action. Could someone explain this to me.And,on a secondary note, why wouldn't a person directly impinged bu this(e.g. the author) blame your representatives? I'd like most to hear from Mr Taylor, but other responses are welcomed.
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05:19 AM on 03/15/2010
I wonder why people like yourself believe we should legislate based on threats from corporations. I blame Amazon not my representatives who are looking for ways to protect local businesses and raise tax revenue. It's never perfect but I for one am tired of watching our governments selling us out to appease corporations.
05:27 PM on 03/11/2010
I became an Amazon affiliate a few weeks ago and have been working to bring exposure to their links to my website readers. Fostering an affiliate program takes time and dedication, as you all well know, and right now I am wondering if it's worth investing the effort required. I am located in Massachusetts, and who's to say we won't be the next state to be dropped by Amazon?

I don't want to spend the next few months promoting my affiliate program if I'm going to be dropped when MA decide to follow in Colorado's footsteps.
04:23 PM on 03/11/2010
"Amazon firing all of us Associates doesn't change anything about their tax liability in the state. The only way they can affect that is to simply stop selling product to everyone in Colorado"

Amazon has no liability in our state. They eliminated even a possibility of this when they terminated the affiliates program in Colorado. Amazon is a business in Washington state with no physical presence in Colorado. Colorado politicians have no jurisdiction over the business practices of a Washington state business.

The tax liability you refer to belongs to the Colorado consumer. Amazon has no blame in this charade. They are simply protecting their business from Colorado politicians.
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05:14 AM on 03/15/2010
Yes, we citizens should bend over backwards to appease our corporate masters. Businesses should be above all reproach and we should blame our greedy old government. You don't seem to understand the scope of the legislation. Colorado politicians are trying to find ways to generate revenue. I don't like taxes either but I hate corporations who needlessly punish their customers because they didn't get their way in our state. That is exactly what's happening here. But keep blaming the government if that makes you feel better.
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02:37 PM on 03/11/2010
I've been an Amazon affiliate since the program began, and being "fired" is just the latest in what was always a one-sided relationship. As you point out, there is no logic to killing the Colorado affiliates program except infantile pique. And Amazon is continuing to collect revenue for click-throughs; all they've stopped doing is paying us for them. I have between 500-1000 links, some of them deeply embedded in text or format, which it will take me weeks to remove neatly. However, I came up with a simple shotgun approach to disable them all, and I will do it this weekend. My web site will look like roadkill for a while, but Amazon will have lost their one last opportunity to rip me off.
01:30 PM on 03/11/2010
Yeah I see you there HuffPo.

No more libeling Sarah and I'll treat your wordy bluster as common sense too.
12:29 PM on 03/11/2010
I'm a Colorado Amazon Associate sickened by this whole fiasco with the cancellation of the accounts of Colorado Associates. But contrary to the claims of many on the left, Amazon is NOT to blame.

The Colorado government -- our legislators and governor -- created this mess by its imposition of an "Amazon Tax" with HB 1193. Given its Colorado-based affiliates, that law would have crippled Amazon with an onerous and expensive confusion of red tape, plus a crazy patchwork of local taxes. The only way for Amazon to extricate itself from that nightmare was to terminate the Affiliate Program.

I've posted about it to my blog:

http://www.dianahsieh.com/blog/2010/03/colorado-screws-amazon-and-its.shtml

And Ari Armstrong has a long post here, with some excellent analysis of the law:

http://blog.ariarmstrong.com/2010/03/stop-amazon-tax.html

I've also created a super-quick web site. The "Amazon Tax" must be repealed!

http://www.RepealTheAmazonTax.com/

If you want to help pressure the Colorado legislature to repeal this awful law, please join the low-volume e-mail list, NoAmazonTax:

http://groups.google.com/group/noamazontax

Please spread the word!

-- DMH

Diana Hsieh (Ph.D, Philosophy, CU Boulder)
E-mail: diana@dianahsieh.com
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12:31 PM on 03/12/2010
"...that law would have crippled Amazon with an onerous and expensive confusion of red tape, plus a crazy patchwork of local taxes."

I, too, think the legislation was poor and poorly-timed. However, Amazon owns and operates Target's website, which does collect sales tax. The statement quoted above is patently untrue. Amazon is already well-equipped to do so.

And in any event, this burden is not related to the affiliate program in any meaningful way. While I'm certainly letting my representatives here know about my take on this legislation, I am not blinded to the simple fact that Amazon's termination of its relationship with Colorado affiliates was done out of pure spite.

I have maintained an account with Amazon for years, and have spent thousands of dollars there. As of yesterday, I have closed that account with a clear communication to Amazon as to why I have chosen to do so. Two wrongs, a right, etc. I will not do business with such an organization. I may not cheerfully pay more via other outlets, but I'll do so with a better conscience in relationship to my fellow Colorado citizens.
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05:17 AM on 03/15/2010
Burdens oh the horrible burdens this Goliath Amazon will have to endure at the hands of our evil and malicious government. I find your argument unconvincing despite your credentials.
11:57 AM on 03/11/2010
Is there any way to get the actual HB posted as a PDF? I'd like to compare the differences between the Colorado statute and other states where Amazon is compliant in collecting online sales tax.
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Dave Taylor
12:25 PM on 03/11/2010
Well, there's this:

http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CLICS2010A/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/B30F574193882B4B872576A80026BE0C?Open&file=1193_01.pdf

But I'm not clear whether it's the original bill as proposed or the final law that was signed by the Governor, Brian.