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Dave Zirin

Dave Zirin

Posted: December 30, 2010 03:15 PM

Pundits, man your stations. It seems that the Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson yipped that Eagles quarterback Michael Vick should have been executed three years ago when convicted on dog-fighting charges.

Many are now getting hot and bothered expressing shock that Carlson would actually call for Vick's execution -- a tad extreme even for Fox.

Frankly I was shocked that Carlson, humiliated so thoroughly by Jon Stewart many years ago, still is on the air. The guy has been on more canceled programs than Jennifer Love Hewitt.

In full, the paunchy, lipless, chinless, porcelain man-boy with the ubiquitous bow-tie said, "I'm a Christian, I've made mistakes myself, I believe fervently in second chances. But Michael Vick killed dogs, and he did in a heartless and cruel way. And I think, personally, he should've been executed for that."

I know it's hardly news for a Murdoch-owned, right-wing shock jock to say something shocking. It's like receiving word of a celebrity sex tape. The thrill is gone. I am also well aware that in the current media set up, it's Carlson's job to say something utterly outrageous and the job of people like myself to respond. We make statements about Carlson's peculiar brand of bloodthirsty Christianity. Maybe we point out how easy it is for Carlson to call for the death of an African-American athlete, always the low-hanging fruit for his race-baiting ilk.

We bat this particular ball back and forth like -- as one writer once said to me -- "two hookers working opposite sides of the street." The ensuing hothouse debate becomes an entertainment option for people soured on American Idol.

But there is actually a serious problem with this kind of 24-hour cable performance art when the subject is Michael Vick. It's that pesky entity pecking at the window of reality television known as "reality."

Dostoevsky said famously,"The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons." By that standard, the United States exists in a barbaric state. Enter a prison -- something I sincerely doubt Carlson has ever done -- and you see the daily, dreary reality for the 2.3 million people who live behind bars. In what's become the largest prison system on earth -- take that China! -- you see the herded poor stacked on top of one another. You see a world disproportionately black and brown with African-American men six times as likely to go to prison as whites, with one in nine black men between 20-34 living in a state of incarceration.

It's a country that through its addiction to privatized prisons and "tough on crime" legislation, has created what writer Michelle Alexander's calls "The New Jim Crow." In Alexander's book, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness she details the way the prison system robs its present and past and even future inhabitants of voting rights, citizenship, and any semblance of political power. She points that the United States now imprisons a higher percentage of black men than South Africa at the height of apartheid. As she writes:

Jarvious Cotton's great-great-grandfather could not vote as a slave. His great-grandfather was beaten to death by the Klu Klux Klan for attempting to vote. His grandfather was prevented from voting by Klan intimidation; his father was barred by poll taxes and literacy tests. Today, Cotton cannot vote because he, like many black men in the United States, has been labeled a felon and is currently on parole.


Michael Vick, whether he likes it or not, is humanizing the struggle to find redemption after serving time in a maximum security prison. After all, if a star quarterback doing hours of community surface can't regain a foothold in society, who could? Tucker Carlson's efforts to dehumanize Vick and paint him as a disposable, killable individual cuts in a way that transcends the idiocy of Murdoch's 50-state southern strategy of dimples and dog whistles. I'd love for Carlson to spend even a week in Leavenworth and then make an effort to rebuild his nerfy little life. Then we'd see how a man without callouses could be so callous. This is why Michael Vick's story matters, and really another example -- as if more were needed -- of how Fox News has become a cancerous boil on the political soul of this country.


First posted at thenation.com.

 
 
 

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03:35 AM on 01/03/2011
Hi: Michael Vick has paid a stiff price for the dog fighting/killing and cruel treatment of dogs.
Now, let the fact that he is millions of dollars in debt come into the light.
That is one of the reasons he is playing again, to pay off debts. It seems to me that when he pays up the debts, his football years will be over. Please try to relate to Vick's problem, if he quits he's done, if he plays and pays, he's done a little better. Vick is in a no-win situation...
No one is letting Vick redeem himself, they are allowing him to play to pay things off.
Vick will see very little for his efforts and it's sad to see this play out on a national level...
Prison has robbed him and now the NFL is using him up as well.
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
11:04 AM on 01/03/2011
I never would have thought I would agree with anything on Fox but I do! I know it is not possible so I will deal Vick's punishment. It has nothing to do with race. It has to do with his callouse disregard for life. If a teacher did such a thing, he would never work in education again. However, Vick is using the Humane Society to rehab his image, The Humane Society is using Vick to stop dog fighting so I guess it is a wash. As for dog fighting being a "Southern Tradition"- Mr. Vick went to Virginia Tech- he got an education, he surely did know better. And as for earning a living - what did he do for 4 years in Virginia Tech besides warm a seat??? Did he learn anything that could translate to a real job?
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bryang78
Countless les paul's ascend to the sky
12:56 AM on 01/03/2011
Im an animal lover. Im not a Eagles fan but I support Vick 150%
02:10 AM on 01/03/2011
No real animal lover could EVER support Vick.
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
02:44 AM on 01/03/2011
Many people don't realize that you have to train pit bulls to fight like that. It's inhumane; but, then again, it would be inhumane to "execute" Michael Vick. That being said, what really is going on here -- as usual -- is that Carlson is shooting his mouth off.
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bryang78
Countless les paul's ascend to the sky
02:15 PM on 01/03/2011
yes I am and yes I do.
04:55 PM on 01/02/2011
I firmly believe that Michael Vick was wrongly convicted -

Here's more:

http://chrisdurant2000.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/michael-vick-was-wrongly-convicted/
02:11 AM on 01/03/2011
Oh brother.
10:58 AM on 01/03/2011
Apparently you didn't read the "wrongly convicted" article Zona9!
Boomerwoman
Momma said there'd be days like this
08:04 PM on 01/01/2011
WWJD indeed!
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BN2112
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03:55 PM on 01/02/2011
What would Jason do???? (or Jerry, or Jack or.......?)
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BN2112
My micro-bio does not meet standards
04:29 PM on 01/02/2011
Sorry, don't mean to be flippant. It just of-putting when the likes of Carlson starts off with "I'm Christian but.....".
06:04 PM on 01/01/2011
Can believe the President being a dog owner himself is so quick to consider Vick a rehabilitated citizen and much less WORTHY of owning a dog. What a hypocrite!
12:14 AM on 01/02/2011
Mike has shown remorse for what he has done and according to people who know him he is truly sorry for what he has done. Talk about hypocrisy why isn't Tucker calling for Palin's execution for shooting wolves from helicopters? Dogs decended from wolves if you believe in that silly evolution thing. Hypocrisy runs this country, if you eat meat visit a slaughterhouse and tell me how humane that is.
08:11 PM on 01/02/2011
Vick is saying all the right things and has many people sold on the meme that's he's "redeemed" and "a changed man." If you want to buy what he's selling, that's up to you.
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48thGuy
09:45 AM on 01/02/2011
So he killed some dogs, so do the Koreans. At least he didn't serve em up for supper!.. He served his time, back off.
05:57 PM on 01/01/2011
THE DOGS ARE THE ONLY REHABILITA TED BEINGS IN THIS SITUATION!

Sure... Huckabee also gave Maurice Clemmons a pardon after many felony conviction s because he also believed in "rehabilit ation" and according to Huckabee this guy had been given a "harsh and unfair sentence" because he was poor, young and black. Awwww.... poor guy! such injustice! . AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT...? HE KILLED 4 POLICE OFFICERS! Some people just don't rehabilita te and we have to measure and be able to really discern with more caution and scrutiny if people are truly rehabilita ted. Vick is not sorry, he's only sorry he got caught. And the people who wanna give him a second chance only want to do it because he makes them money.

Let's hope Vick is not another Clemmons.

Why don't we give some or our most serious convicted murderers a second chance for that matter? They certainly has served his sentence. Is he not worthy of the same rehabilita tion rights?
05:52 PM on 01/01/2011
THE DOGS ARE THE ONLY REHABILITA TED BEINGS IN THIS SITUATION!

Sure... Huckabee also gave Maurice Clemmons a pardon after many felony conviction s because he also believed in "rehabilit ation" and according to Huckabee this guy had been given a "harsh and unfair sentence" because he was poor, young and black. Awwww.... poor guy! such injustice! . AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT...? HE KILLED 4 POLICE OFFICERS! Some people just don't rehabilita te and we have to measure and be able to really discern with more caution and scrutiny if people are truly rehabilita ted. Vick is not sorry, he's only sorry he got caught. And the people who wanna give him a second chance only want to do it because he makes them money.

Let's hope Vick is not another Clemmons.

Why don't we give Manson a second chance for that matter? He certainly has served his sentence. Is he not worthy of the same rehabilita tion rights?
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48thGuy
09:47 AM on 01/02/2011
Perhaps you are unaware of the genetic differences between a canine and a human being..OOps,I forgot, you must live in LaLaland!!!!
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
11:21 AM on 01/03/2011
48thGuy perhaps you hold yourself in too high esteem!
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William Watson
11:17 AM on 01/02/2011
Nobody gave Vick a pardon. He served the sentence society set for what he did. If you don't see the difference, take a course in critical reasoning. It will serve you well.
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
11:24 AM on 01/03/2011
Just in case you missed it - torturing animals (and his method of killing these dogs cannot be described as anything other than slow, malicous torture) is a personality/character flaw. Every serial killer started with animals. I do not believe this "character" flaw - or whatever you wish to name it has miraculously disappeared!
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The Mad Guesser
People are alike all over.
04:05 PM on 01/01/2011
If Michael Vick should be executed, then so should your family doctor and the rest of us for the exact same reason: God gave us brains that insulate us from knowing and appreciating the suffering our actions inflict. (The legal definition of insanity),otherwise we couldn't survive. See Wikipedia link below where not long ago, your family doctors operated on babies without anesthesia, where, like Vick, they became unaware of and desensitized to screams of agony (calling them reflexes) and rationalized the nature of their acts (as avoiding the risk of infant anesthesia), as they could never live with themselves if they actually understood the screams they were hearing. They'd quit the profession with acute depression had they not blotted out reality. But the mothers' movement awakened the profession by forcing them to hear to tapes of operating room screams, bringing on public shame, which ultimately re-sensitized the medical profession, so since 1980, no doctor operates on babies without anesthesia. Nobody says that the very act of torturing babies proved doctors incapable of empathy since they tortured babies for paychecks. We didn't execute them. We didn't execute assembly line lobotomist & vivisectionists as greedy. It was the cultural climate like Michael Vick's dog-fighting, where he must undertake the same re sensitization processes and public shame the doctors endured; all widely practiced in our American penal system, making executing the entire body a suboptimal solution. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain_in_babies http://www.naturalnews.com/019930.html
05:55 PM on 01/01/2011
You should have re-sensitized Maurice Clemmons yourself! Be a little more realistic and get it through your head that some people just don't rehabilitate and we need to be more careful of who we consider rehabilitated. We can't prove that what Vick has done so far he's done because he's truly aware of the horrific consequences of his acts.

And as far as your above annalogy... really poor one!
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
11:30 AM on 01/03/2011
In case you have not noticed it is not 1980. Again, Vick attended a magnet University. He supposedly received an education, I assume he was exposed to civilized culture. He did take biology - how could he claim ignorance of pain and suffering he was wontonly inflicting on innocent animals? I am opposed to vivisection, but even experimental animals are given anesthesia. If you are making that case, I seriously question the education provided by Virginia Tech,
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RK Johnston
Good Blood Never Lies...True Love Never Dies!
03:42 PM on 01/01/2011
I never did like either man.
And I thought that Mr. Vick's shed tears were crocodillian in nature.
But, I must admit, he did his time as sentenced in Federal Court...not in The Court of Public Opinion.
Now, Mr. Vick is back at what he loves to do.

And in a way, so is Tucker Carlson...
a two-bit weenie who wouldn't last two weeks in prison before becoming somebody's punk.
For his supper, he'll sing the songs written by Roger Ailes, including an executioner's ditty calling for the blood-sacrifice of Michael Vick on the Altar of Justice.
And this is what Mr. Carlson loves to do.

One cannot compare each man to the other...except to say that both are human males.
And that perfection is best left to beings of a Higher calling.
Call them on their faults, when required, but remember--
They both put their slacks on the same way...'cos they share the same biology.

And if you are wondering who the real victims truly are?
They have four legs, go "woof," and, if not trained for evil...are happy-go-lucky lovebugs!
If tears need be shed, let it be for them!
--RKJ
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HisXLNC
No.
03:04 PM on 01/01/2011
" Enter a prison -- something I sincerely doubt Carlson has ever done -- and you see the daily, dreary reality for the 2.3 million people who live behind bars."

You've obviously never been to many prisons yourself. Everyone I know who's gone to prison has come out better than they went in. Being off of drugs and alcohol for an extended period of time and having access to healthcare and exercise facilities tends to have that effect. Not quite what i'd call dreary.
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ruolivert
05:37 PM on 01/02/2011
Funny I know a lot of people who went to jail and became addicted to drugs and career criminals
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Strateshooter
01:15 PM on 01/01/2011
LET'S MAKE A DEAL: I'm more than willing to see Michael Vick get "executed" for killling a do, IF all the wealthy white men get executed for killing rhinos, tigers, and bears on safari hunts, just for mountin their heads on their walls.

Unless yer killing an animal for food, clothing, or self defense, these rich white guys should be "executed" also!!!
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marthamothra
12:27 PM on 01/01/2011
I agree completely with you, and you expressed it so well. I was appalled by the crime, (I am an animal rights advocate) but Vick did his time, and since then, has spoken to innumerable children about how bad, what he did, is. THIS is rehabilitation. Do Carlson and others not believe in rehab?, only punishment? That is why this country incarcerates so many more than we should. Our penal system is a national disgrace.
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ruolivert
05:40 PM on 01/02/2011
Wow he spoke to a bunch of kids. As the child of two teachers call me unimpressed. Everything Vick has done since he got out of jail has been in the interest of his own name. Its why he had a public Facebook invite to his first birthday party out of jail after the Commissioner of the NFL told him to keep a low profile. The only thing rehabilitated is his desire to play football
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bryang78
Countless les paul's ascend to the sky
01:12 AM on 01/03/2011
Yeah because you know him personally and can read his mind
08:26 PM on 01/02/2011
"has spoken to innumerable children about how bad, what he did, is. THIS is rehabilitation."

You sure do set the bar low.
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07:19 PM on 01/03/2011
He doesn't have to adhere to your standards, so there.
11:04 AM on 01/01/2011
I can not condone the actions of Michael Vick. I think he gave some lame excuses that I just could not fall for. That such practices exist is a commentary of the Evil that influences ungodly participation. But legally we can only order consequences that are provided by laws. And judging others is an attribute of God: "Vengeance is mine, I will repay says the Lord." Accurate interpretation of the law of Moshe by Tertius. Does Tucker Carlson consider himself a god?
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
11:54 AM on 01/03/2011
Did anyone ever hear of "Shunning"? It is antiquated but it sure did work to keep behavior civilized. But Money talks and ethics walk.
12:32 PM on 01/03/2011
Sort of like Worf's discommendation? But too many people choose to retain him as an athletic millionaire warrior.
10:52 AM on 01/01/2011
First off, Vick served his time, and he should be free to do whatever he wants. That said, I hate all this Vick redemption stuff. Vick is considered redeemed because he can play football, and play very well. He could be living the same exact life he is now, except for what he does on Sundays, and there would be no Vick redemption talk. He may have turned his life around, and that is great, or maybe he hasn't. We don't know, 99.9% of the people who comment on Vick; be it here as comments, or people who write stories; haven't spoken to Vick since his incarceraton, and have no idea what he does in his own time and what he is thinking.

We like this idea, because it is a story book tale of redemption. 1-Person is good at something 2-Person does something bad 3-Person goes to jail or whatever 4-Person gets out and works hard to get back what they lost 5-Person goes back to doing well what they did before 6-Everyone feels good. That is all that this is. Vick still has the same talent he had before he went to jail, and is using that talent again. If Vick keeps his nose clean, great. But this is only redemption because he is good, if he threw 1 TD and 10 interceptions, there would be no story of redemption, even if he was a changed person.
08:27 PM on 01/02/2011
"But this is only redemption because he is good, if he threw 1 TD and 10 interceptions, there would be no story of redemption, even if he was a changed person."

You nailed it.
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APMOTRBC
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10:25 AM on 01/01/2011
Also, I was at the dog park recently and a person walked in with a bulldog of some type and she explained that they had been bred with such big heads that the puppies must be born through caesarean or they rip apart the mother and kill her in child birth (which clearly doesn't happen without human intervention breeding dogs to get their heads extra large and imposing). Anyway, is anyone here calling out for the breeders of these dogs to be killed? How many mother dogs who are abandoned and aren't in the care of breeders die every year due to tortuous child birth caused by humans . .

the ASPCA story is interesting because it also calls out that there are all types of people who like this sport from all communities and it is clearly more pervasive so it clearly can't be called the gateway to serial killing or we would have literally hundreds of thousands of serial killers on the streets and we plainly do not.

I think it is reprehensible, but for you out there claiming the dogs are innocent belies the fact that these particular breeds have been bred for hundreds of years by humans to fight and only recently have we decided it is inhumane . . .
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Inkosi
The gods themselves rage against stupidity
12:00 PM on 01/03/2011
They are "innocent" but for the intervention of unscrupulous people, would not exist in that capacity. and yes, the breeders should be held accountable! Instead authorities blame the breed as a whole rather than the owner of the particular animal who trained it to be vicious or failed to train his dog to live civilly. Denver passed an ordinace banning pit bulls or any mix which included a bully breed. It did nothing to stop dog bites. Ban one breed the they criminals will find another breed till all we have left is Yorkies - or tea cup poodles.
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Urban Warrior Princess of The Table!
12:57 PM on 01/03/2011
According to my experience and to my understanding of breeds . . my dog a shiloh shepherd leonberger mix it is veritably impossible to get them riled up enough to attack. We just got a new cat and he is running my 30 inches at the withers around the house . .

At this point, the bully breeds were bred 300 years ago for the pit . . there is nothing to do make them fit .. they have a gear for aggression that other breeds don't have . . because of this breeding for this aggressive trait . . so at this point the damage is done .. . yes all dogs will bite . . but bullies won't back off when the establish dominance. Go read the post of the man with the pit bull puppy . . they just have an extra gear for aggression . . you would have to spend a couple hundred years of breeding to get dogs like mine to be that angry . .

I'm not advocating killing them all . . but I'm saying dogs that have been bred to be super aggressive didn't just start and now we have these super aggressive dogs around . .whether someone goads them to fight . .they want to fight . they will fight, regardless of the humans around them . .my dog won't, ever unless for protection and once he has established dominance he backs off . .pits won't do that.