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Republicans, Gay Marriage and the Sound of Social Change

Posted: 11/01/2012 8:52 pm

Rick Santorum is at it again, fighting gay marriage with arguments that don't hold up to scrutiny. And these days Republicans are keeping their distance.

Santorum writes:

Social science provides overwhelming evidence of the benefits of marriage to children and society. In what other area of public policy would government be neutral when the benefits are so overwhelming? We know work and marriage are antidotes to poverty... Research tells us that low-income children without a father at home are five times more likely to remain poor.

But his solution to this problem is a ban on gay marriage. What's the connection? It isn't gay couples who are raising single-parent children, who are more likely to encounter problems with school and the law. Much of the argument for gay-marriage bans is this sort of bait-and-switch: point to a real problem, then come up with an irrelevant solution that scapegoats a small group.

Fortunately, Republicans are mostly ignoring Santorum and his allies these days. They see the long-term damage that the anti-gay crusade is doing them. Back in 2004 they thought that social issues, especially gay marriage bans, would help them win the presidential election. It wasn't really true even then: it turns out that George W. Bush's share of the vote rose just slightly less in the marriage-ban states than in the other states: up 2.6 percent in the states with marriage bans on the ballot, up 2.9 percent in the other states.

This year, even though President Obama and the Democratic platform have endorsed marriage equality, Mitt Romney and the Republicans are staying away from the issue. With good reason. The Washington Post reported earlier this month:

In February, a poll by the [Des Moines Register] newspaper found that 56 percent of Iowans were opposed to legislative efforts to pass a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. That is consistent with other swing states: Voters back gay marriage by 21 points in Florida, 15 points in Ohio and nine in Virginia, new Washington Post polls found.

Read that again: "Voters back gay marriage by 21 points in Florida, 15 points in Ohio and nine in Virginia."

A September Post poll in the crucial state of Ohio found that by 61 to 30 percent, registered voters said they trusted Obama "to do a better job dealing with social issues such as abortion and gay marriage."

A late October poll found that in swing-state Virginia

Obama also enjoys a wide lead among likely voters (56 percent to 35 percent) on the question of social issues, such as abortion and same-sex marriage.

Nationally, a Post poll analysis found that 63 percent of the tiny number of genuine swing voters support gay marriage.

I argue in my new ebook, The Libertarian Vote: Swing Voters, Tea Parties, and the Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal Center that 15 to 20 percent of the voters hold broadly libertarian views, conservative on economic issues and liberal on social issues. They usually vote Republican, if the Republicans emphasize fiscal issues and soft-pedal social conservatism. Republicans are starting to notice that. And they know that, even as support for marriage equality is just flirting with 50 percent, two-thirds of young voters support it. Campaigning against gay marriage is a good way to make the Democratic advantage among young people permanent.

That sound you don't hear, the missing Republican ads denouncing Obama for his support of gay marriage? That's the sound of social change. It looks like Rick Santorum is being left behind.

 
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Rick Santorum is at it again, fighting gay marriage with arguments that don't hold up to scrutiny. And these days Republicans are keeping their distance. Santorum writes: Social science provides ove...
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nypapajoe
08:15 PM on 11/03/2012
Romney is gonna loose because real Americans are not going to chose Super Rich White Elderly Men over an America that is inclusive of everyone regardless of their sexual or religious orientation or the amount of money they have in their bank account or not and we will not exclude non whites nor deny anyone food or shelter when multi national Billion Dollar profit earning corporations are receiving Federal Corporate Welfare while paying NO Taxes! Millions have died for these rights and we are not going to abandoned our American values! Extremism is not Patriotism!
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Bill J4321
04:34 PM on 11/02/2012
So, marriage for straight couples is good because it lessens poverty, but is bad for gay couples because it lessens poverty?

You're a genius, Ricky. A genius.
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Contact1972
BigGayInc
02:03 PM on 11/03/2012
LOL!
03:36 PM on 11/02/2012
The ONLY purpose of marriage in the eyes of the law is to establish legal kinship* where none existed previously. ALL else is personal.

* Specifically, legal next-of-kin-ship. And, it is from that kinship that come "the effects that flow from marriage".

No one has yet made a rational, reasoned case for keeping same-gender couples from being the beneficiaries of those 'effects'.

And, for those frightwingnuterati who bring up the "Why can't I marry my sister or my dawg?" inanitites, here's why: You and your sister already have legal kinship established and thus have no need of marriage. And, your dog is not human, and non-humans cannot render legal consent to enter into the contract we call marriage. (But, thanx 4 playin'.)

You're welcome.
04:57 PM on 11/02/2012
Kinship? In other to establish the rights of offspring.

So when have two men ever produced offspring?
08:59 PM on 11/02/2012
Nonsense....
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Jack Hope
Occasionally quoted by Mainstream Media
09:40 PM on 11/02/2012
Uh no, the legal rights of the two adults entering into the union. Children, in most countries, automatically get kinship with their biological parents and when that doesn't happen it's usually because the kinship system's other legal remedy, adoption, comes into play.

Kinship of children to their parents are outside the purview of marriage at it's base, although many states around the world due provide additional benefits to the children of married couples. So, opposing marriage for gay people also screws over the children (and they number in the millions) of those same people.
03:10 PM on 11/02/2012
Leaving Santorum behind is the best thing the GOP could do. Smaller government Rick, smaller government that should be the mantra.
03:09 PM on 11/02/2012
Re: "Much of the argument for gay-marriage bans is this sort of bait-and-switch: point to a real problem, then come up with an irrelevant solution that scapegoats a small group."

That is the very modus operandum of the anti-equality squad.

Sadly.
03:09 PM on 11/02/2012
Re: Sanctorum's "Research tells us that low-income children without a father at home are five times more likely to remain poor."

'But his solution to this problem is a ban on gay marriage. What's the connection?'

I advise you not to hold your breath waitinf for Mr. S. to clearly, unequivocally state the "connection" since THERE ISN'T ONE.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:11 PM on 11/02/2012
Heh... His claim about single parent households being a valid reason for banning gay people is about the same as their claim that people are illegally voting and so we have to prevent millions of legal voters...

Not too surprising, he's never actually had a thought in his head...
05:50 AM on 11/02/2012
Gay rights activists frame SSM as primarily a gay issue. But marriage is about much more than sexual orientation. It is about gender and children and our culture.

Same sex marriage is anti-gender. It belittles motherhood and fatherhood. It deprives children of a gender-integrated home.

Because same sex marriage conflicts with religious liberties. People of faith (Catholic, Christian, Muslim, etc) can be targeted and sued by gender-segregated couples. A Catholic couple in Vermont was sued by two New York women for declining to host their wedding. Now this inn can't hold any wedding receptions for any couples regardless of the gender.

We can love our friends and family members with same sex attraction AND we can still support gender diversity.

Keep marriage pro-gender. Because gender matters to everyone, including those with SSA.
06:56 AM on 11/02/2012
let me try to make sense of your arguement "Same sex marriage is anti-gender. It belittles motherhood and fatherhood. It deprives children of a gender-integrated home. "

"Same sex marriage is anti-gender" = same sex marriage is against the gender definition that you approved of.

"It belittles motherhood and fatherhood" = because parenthood need to be with both gender to be valid, and single parenthood is no doubt, worthless in your eyes.

"It deprives children of a gender-integrated home" = oh my, gender integrated home? what the heck is that? (if you want to teach children the 'definitive role of gender ; ie women in kitchen man in office) ah i see your point crystal now ..
03:48 PM on 11/04/2012
Same sex marriage discriminates against gender. I don't believe we should legalize gender discrimination in this way. We should not target the children of gays and rob them of their mothers.

A gender-integrated home is a gender-diverse home comprised of a man and a woman. No matter how great a dad is he will never be a mother. Promoting natural marriage teaches tolerance for the most foundational diversity we have: gender.
08:52 AM on 11/02/2012
How about a racist inn that didn't want to serve blacks because it was against their principles? If you're a business, you shouldn't be discriminating against legitimate customers. We live in the US. We don't tell people that they are unacceptable because the pope said so.
03:51 PM on 11/04/2012
The Pope teaches the world to treat all people with dignity and respect, no matter what their race, creed, gender, or sexual orientation.
heterodoxlibertarian
bleeding heart libertarian
12:57 AM on 11/02/2012
Marriage equality is the civil rights issue of our time. To treat people differently on the basis of sexual orientation is just as wrong as treating them differently on the basis of race. People don't choose to be gay anymore than they choose to be black. The right freaks out when one makes this argument because they can't rebut it. The only counter is "oh no it is a choice" and then they point to the "former gays." By that point, all the serious people have left the room and are laughing at their stupidity in the next one.
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LeftRightFight
12:51 AM on 11/02/2012
They already lost. Gay Americans came out en masse over the past few decades and now too many people know us to buy into the freak argument anymore. Now it's just a matter of how much the right wants to wiggle around and protest while they lose.
03:20 PM on 11/02/2012
To know us is to love us.
11:49 PM on 11/01/2012
Marriage equals to less poverty. Therefore, NO GAY MARRIAGE! (and aliens.)
03:21 PM on 11/02/2012
Huh???
09:18 PM on 11/02/2012
exactly.
secondsoprano
It'll be alright in the end.
10:37 PM on 11/01/2012
"Social science provides overwhelming evidence of the benefits of marriage to children and society."

Therefore, we must extend the benefits of marriage to gay people and their children.

End. Of. Story.
01:37 AM on 11/02/2012
It's the only logical conclusion.
08:54 AM on 11/02/2012
I agree. The fact that Santorum is a law school graduate and can't see that logic doesn't say much about his reasoning skills. No wonder he isn't practicing.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:13 PM on 11/02/2012
Exactly!
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robv89121
why is the right usually wrong?
10:31 PM on 11/01/2012
There is no evidence that our marriages would have any affect whatsoever on straight marriages or society in any way.

The right is using these fake stats and sciences to try and back their claims and yet they don't because all they tell is what happens to kids in STRAIGHT single parent homes. They have yet to do ONE study on the affects on the children who were actually raised by same-sex parents. They won't do it either because the results will be the opposite of what they are hoping for.

All this is are people legislating their religous beliefs and they can't just say "jesus said not to" because of course he didn't and that would be against the law for them to do.

We are tax paying citizens and can not settle for being second class in every other way.
secondsoprano
It'll be alright in the end.
11:11 PM on 11/01/2012
"They have yet to do ONE study on the affects on the children who were actually raised by same-sex parents."

There are plenty of studies which show no negative effects from being raised by same-sex parents. (I'm sure someone will have the link handy.) There was one study that showed negative effects ... but of course that didn't study children who were actually raised by same-sex parents.
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robv89121
why is the right usually wrong?
11:27 PM on 11/01/2012
Yes, there are plenty of studies, but I'm referring to people like Santorum actually doing a real study of their own instead of quoting a mock statistic randomly picked out of nowhere or done by "focus on the family" which is hardly objective. 
heterodoxlibertarian
bleeding heart libertarian
12:49 AM on 11/02/2012
Exactly. The right talks as if gay marriage will lead to straight couples going "Oh man I thought I loved my spouse but this has undermined our marriage so bad I think I have to file for divorce."
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robv89121
why is the right usually wrong?
03:10 AM on 11/02/2012
one thing is true...heterosexuals don't need another reason to divorce.  They practically do it when the toast is burnt in the morning...they do it for any reason they can think of.  Up to and including "I'm in love with someone else today" ala Newt Gingrich and Donald Trump. 
10:25 PM on 11/01/2012
It seems to me that because you can't achieve your perceived notion of 'rights', you're hell bent on taking away the rights of others in order to feel better about your own predicament.

The social science holds that single-parent families are more prone to children experiencing hardships in life. Redefining "marriage" is not the solution, but is a facet of the larger problem of marriage not being held in high regard in our society. I mean, marriage of the biological parents lasting a lifetime, not the what it's currently made to be in movies and on the red carpet and in the tabloids. The "exclusive LGBT couple" can't be biological parents on the basis of biological design without violating the sanctity of of the exclusive-to-two relationship. Redefining marriage is a step along the way of removing the stabilizing influence of marriage upon society.

As far as a 1950's moral viewpoint... It was also a time when we rarely heard of: drug babies, multiple homicides, terrorism, divorce, unwed mothers. It was also a time when we didn't have to lock our doors at night, and our kids could play outside after dark without worrying about being kidnapped, raped and killed.

Seems to me we both want that part of society again...
heterodoxlibertarian
bleeding heart libertarian
12:52 AM on 11/02/2012
I agree with some of what you say. I would submit to you that government has caused a lot of those problems with interventionist policies. Marriage has been redefined many times, though. Read history and you see it used to essentially be a property arrangement where the man, for all intents and purposes, owned the women and ran things. It evolved over time to a co-equal partnership based on love. In the past, love often had nothing to do with it and now its central. Let me tell you, I think divorce is a far greater threat to heterosexual marriage than gay marriage.
03:39 PM on 11/02/2012
Marriage changed the moment a man could no longer say, "A pig and two goats for your daughter, sir?"

You are correct - women were objects ("chattel") that could be owned and "sold in marriage". In some countries, they still can be. But America is not one of them, thank Zeus.

Faved.
01:41 AM on 11/02/2012
What's the big deal about "biological children." Heterosexual couples adopt children all the time. Are they therefore less worthy of respect? You do a great disservice to adoptive parents and adopted children everywhere by this constant harping on "biological connections."
09:49 PM on 11/01/2012
People are talking about this as a right as if just anybody can go get married, but it really depends on the identity of the people. Someone can't marry his sister, for instance. There's a rationale for why marriage has been this way except for the last millisecond of history, and it mainly because it's worth it for society to maximize the male influence combined with the female influence of parents in as many households as possible. The advent of brain science is actually starting to restore an understanding of the psychological differences between men and women, and not to the detriment of women. This will eventually destroy the false equivalence of the idea that two men can raise a child and have the same effect as when a mother is in the picture.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
02:18 PM on 11/02/2012
No one is saying that it will have the same effect. We're saying that it has no NEGATIVE effects. And it doesn't. In fact, children growing up in a gay household usually do BETTER in life than children in a straight household. That's mostly because of the fact that the gay couple has to go to extraordinary measures to get children, whereas the straight couple will tend to get pregnant by accident and thus not be in as good a sociological position when they have their kids...
09:18 PM on 11/02/2012
Nonsense. A woman has particular psychological strengths, for lack of which children don't grow up the same way.
11:06 PM on 11/02/2012
A kid who has a mother, in addition to a father, is better off than in an add-a-dad situation.
03:29 PM on 11/02/2012
Your entire 'argument' hinges on a logical fallacy - namely, that procreation is a requirement of marriage. It isn't. Not even for you 'bettero-sexuals'.
09:15 PM on 11/02/2012
I'm talking about raising children, not procreation.
03:04 PM on 11/05/2012
Child-rearing is my point, not procreation, and while it's not a requirement, it's the heart and soul of the rationale for benefits.