New York Times to America: Stay the Course in Iraq

Posted March 17, 2008 | 07:22 PM (EST)



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On Sunday March 16, the Times Week in Review observed the fifth anniversary of the Iraq war with two separate commemorations: an essay by John Burns (former chief of the Times Baghdad bureau) that looks back from the devastation of 2008 to the hopes of March 2003; and a symposium on the progress of war, with short comments by nine strategists, pundits, officials, and soldiers.

Burns wrote his piece in a mood both chastened and festive, and he begins with an awestruck rhapsody on the "shock and awe" bombings -- "40 minutes, followed by a break, and then another 40 minutes" -- a new kind of evening at the Cineplex. Even "Iraqis yearning for their liberation," writes Burns, "called it, simply, 'the air show.'"

Yearning. What a weight of paternalism that word conceals. How many Iraqis exactly did Burns hear speak of the destruction of a sizable portion of their city and its infrastructure as "the air show"? Was this the expression used by Iraqis who saw their friends or relatives killed in the bombing? His repetition of the phrase suggests an utter dissociation of moral judgment from aesthetic pleasure -- a tendency given free rein when he passes to a hushed reverence at "the sheer, astonishing, overwhelming demonstration of power, more like an act of God than man." Whatever truths he may have told in the past, John Burns will surely be remembered for that sentence, so charmed and so light-headed, so far beyond truth and falsehood.

John Burns is English; but he writes here largely as a friend of Americans and a comforter. All of his presentation is designed to persuade American readers that the Iraq war has been a tragedy of good intentions. And yet, to judge our own intentions against what we suppose to be their imperfect fulfillment, is a way of thinking that leads back to self-justification. A saner way of judging anyone (including ourselves) is to infer the content of the intentions from the content of the actions.

Talk of our own good intentions is an American addiction, and Burns administers the drug in a heaped measure. The looting of Baghdad, he says, was a phenomenon of "palaces and torture centers, along with ministries, museums, and hospitals." Notice the order: they went after the torture centers first, then the museums and hospitals. In all but the words, this resembles Donald Rumsfeld's comment that freedom is "untidy." But did they really go after the palaces and torture centers first, thereby leading the occupying army to make a natural mistake? The weasel-words are "along with."

So, too, Burns speaks of a "failure to find weapons of mass destruction" (not the finding that there were no weapons) and "the absence of a plan" after the invasion (rather than a planned absence). In Abu Ghraib, "America's intentions were betrayed by its troops in more personal ways" -- but "betrayed by its troops" offers a scandalously false suggestion. It supports (without answering for) the Defense Department explanation that the atrocities were merely the personal acts of a few bad soldiers. The truth is that we know -- not suspect but know -- that the atrocities of Abu Ghraib were the predictable effects of a new policy of torture, and of an urgent directive that the interrogators obtain actionable intelligence by any means. The authority conferred on General Geoffrey Miller to "gitmoize" Abu Ghraib was something more than a "personal" outrage committed by "troops." All of these familiar facts, Burns takes care to press out of his account, in order to sustain his chosen theme of good intentions.

He administers a moral salve to Americans by alluding, generically, to "that terrible sense, familiar to anybody who has experienced war, that nothing, or almost nothing, can justify its wounds." "Almost nothing" is a trimming touch, meant to please everyone; and it is of a piece with Burns's canting hope that America "ultimately finds a way home with honor, and without destroying all it went to Iraq to achieve." This begs the question, How much has been destroyed already? And what did we go there to achieve?

Burns's diagnosis of "what went wrong" lightens the blame by finding a reason buried so deep that it satisfies every conceivable demand of self-acquittal. We have to probe, says Burns, "beneath the carapace of terror" (the metaphor labors as the conscience unloads); but, when once we probe, we "uncover other facets of Iraq's culture and history" which made the defeat of America's good intentions a foregone conclusion. Iraqis, thinks Burns, were "deeply traumatized" by the regime of Sadaam Hussein; and this hidden trauma created "deep fissures" (very deep -- so how could we know?) in the psyche and society of Iraq. The fissures only showed on the surface when the American effort mysteriously failed.

If our good will is not to blame, neither is our intelligence. Anyone might be pardoned for having overlooked those traumas and fissures. After all, they had been "camouflaged by the quarter-century of Mr. Hussein's totalitarian rule." A tragedy, then, and like all tragedies, inevitable. (In his next article, Burns will call it "Greek.") Is there anything left to say?

A reporter who writes like this has given up argument and evidence. Trauma and traumatized are weapons of the last resort in the analytic arsenal; they go off when you run out of facts and surmises. These words are among the indefeasible descriptors about which historians rightly say: "With that kind of license, you can bag any game." Iraqis must have been traumatized, declares Burns. What else but a previous trauma could account for the fact that they disliked the invaders of their country and deplored the effects of a catastrophic war?

Even so, Burns thinks (he is not quite done), we may overrate the apparent reaction against the United States. It is true that every recent poll shows Iraqis saying they want the Americans to leave their country. But, says Burns, he has learned to discriminate the Iraqis who speak their minds from those who don't; and among those who "felt secure enough to speak with candor," he has noticed that an overwhelming majority want the Americans to stay. "Secure" is the tricky word here. Does Burns mean the very rich, the very safe, or just the very courageous? Does he include persons in the pay of American forces?

John Burns's elegiac meditation on the Iraq war is offered as a sort prelude to the March 16 "Week in Review" symposium of experts. And here, we may truly say, what the American Enterprise Institute sowed, the New York Times has reaped.

In the selection of commentators on this fifth anniversary, nothing has been left to chance. Care was taken not to invite a comment from a single person who judged the war wrong from the start. Evidently the Times did not even think it useful, not even for the sake of appearances, to include more than one writer -- Anthony Cordesman -- whom the years since 2003 have brought to conclude that the Iraq war was worse than a temporary and tactical setback. Three out of the nine commentators -- Richard Perle, Danielle Pletka, and Frederick Kagan--are actually fellows of the American Enterprise Institute. This is a good deal like convening a symposium on World Religions and having three of your nine comments issue from professors at Notre Dame (but the comparison does an injustice to Notre Dame).

The AEI is the neoconservative think tank from which many of the policies here under scrutiny are known to have emerged. The newspaper of record thought it a fine thing to ask the architects of the policies to give their sincere opinion on their own handiwork.

Kenneth Pollack, the neoliberal advocate of the bombing and invasion who threw his support behind "the surge" in a Times op-ed last summer, offers a short and self-serving comment that puts all the blame on the Bush administration. Did the Times count Pollack as a moderate--even, somehow, a skeptic? Their own record of publication was there to prove otherwise. Another apparent moderate, Anne-Marie Slaughter, regrets the Baghdad looting, but joins the consensus of responsible advisers who, she says, "debate whether it will take 10 to 15 years" to repair the damage. The innocent question asked by Slaughter as by Pollack, is, how so big-hearted an act of international benevolence as the bombing and invasion of Iraq "has gone so wrong."

L. Paul Bremer is the only contributor to express personal regret. "I should have pushed sooner," he says, "for a more effective military strategy"; but, adds Bremer, thanks to the wise reconsiderations of the president, we now have that strategy. The co-author of the surge, Frederick Kagan, is summoned by the Times to praise himself. He gives thanks to "our soldiers and marines" who "use their firepower to the full" while minimizing "collateral damage." We are now, says Kagan, fighting a war of "skill and compassion," and he repeats the word compassion, as he also repeats "precision": our soldiers have been taught to mount "high-precision operations" using only "precision-guided weapons." (This is in many ways a schoolboy essay.)

A soldier's experience of the invasion is recounted by Nathaniel Fick, who remembers the fear that Saddam Hussein might unleash chemical weapons, and asks whether better intelligence could have obviated some tactical errors early in the war. A retired major general, Paul Eaton, now an adviser to Hillary Clinton, repeats the judgment of General Eric Shinseki that too few troops were allotted for the task assigned.

And Richard Perle? Can no quantity of errant judgments and measurable wrongs to the country remove a person from the establishment list? Time magazine awarded a column to Karl Rove as soon as it was clear that Rove had dodged indictment by a grand jury; the Times, not to be outdone, here brings back Perle, principal of the venture-capital security company Trireme and alumnus of Donald Rumsfeld's Defense Policy Board. Perle asserts that the U.S. should have cared less about democracy. Rather, once Saddam Hussein was gone, we should have "turned Iraq over to Iraqis." He means of course that we should have turned it over to the right Iraqis; and that means Ahmed Chalabi -- the protege of Perle who (when elections were held in December 2005) received less than one percent of the vote. Richard Perle is permitted by the Times to utter the mystic phrase "Iraq to the Iraqis" without ever mentioning Chalabi.

A different view of the relation between democracy and neoconservatism comes from Danielle Pletka, billed here as "vice president for foreign and defense policy studies" at the AEI. Pletka's comment is entitled "There's No Freedom Gene," and it is the story of the disappointments that have made her a sadder judge of political things. In 2003, Pletka "felt secure in the knowledge that all who yearn for freedom, once free, would use it well"; but she found "I was wrong." All who yearn -- "yearning" -- dangerous, tremulous emotion; mixing desire and idealism with the invitation to war. Pletka draws a direr lesson than John Burns about the yearning both imputed to the Iraqis who have since disappointed them. "There is no freedom gene," she writes.

And there we have it pure and uncut, the AEI doctrine on the Middle East. Under all the sorrow at misjudged yearnings, it is the age-old racist idea, the idea by which, sooner or later, all empires are rationalized. Some people don't have it in them to be free. They aren't born with the right genes. It isn't in their blood, their roots, their race, their religion. Nevertheless, freedom is a gift of God, of civilization, of the West; and we who have the gene must give it to those who lack it. We must "foster appreciation of the building blocks of civil society." But that will take time. So, it might seem that the choice, for Iraq, is to be free as we tried to let them be, or unfree in their own way as people lacking the gene are fated to be. Yet that is not what Pletka and the resident fellows at the AEI have in mind. Having failed the genetic test, Iraq must now submit to be unfree under American supervision, while Americans climb the long trail (so much steeper than we thought) toward making them free like us.

Such is the message from the New York Times to America on our Iraq anniversary. A message from the Coalition Provisional Authority, the American Enterprise Institute, and assorted agreeable others. The United States must stay in Iraq, for however long it takes. Takes to do what? Many significant actual repairs are beyond our means in the visible future; and it is telling that none of the Times contributors says a word about the destruction of Iraq's available supply of water and electricity -- a disaster that was a planned not an accidental effect of American bombings in the 1990s, in 2003, and after. This was the meaning of shock and awe to the inventor of the phrase and the method, Harlan Ullman. You give a stunning shock to the system of the people you intend to dominate, by taking the system away. You put a country out of commission very fast, and make the people very scared, and they are completely dependent on you. The rest is a matter of after-planning.

American troops are being asked to stay in Iraq for something other than the renovation of the country. The megalithic embassy in the Green Zone, and the half-dozen superbases, have been built to last, while "the building blocks of civil society" were less rigorously attended to. The purpose for which those bases and that embassy were built is inseparable from the word Iran: a word that surfaced neither in John Burns's commemorative piece nor in any of the symposium comments the Times published last Sunday. And yet, one can't help feeling that Iran had much to do with many things that were said, and with many other things that were carefully left unsaid.

The Burns essay and the Iraq symposium are part of a consistent effort by the Times -- the Pollack-O'Hanlon puff for the surge and the double endorsement of McCain and Clinton were part of the same effort -- to shift legitimate opinion toward acceptance of a large and permanent American force in the Middle East. Among lawmakers, only Russell Feingold, Chuck Hagel, and Ron Paul have drawn sustained attention to the commitments we are entering into. For a major paper to do the same would be an act of candor. The New York Times, by its elaborate contrivance of a sham debate, and by the transparent omissions of its analysis, has done a conspicuous disservice to public discussion.


 
 

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The course in Iraq as set forth by the WH, PNAC and Multi Nationals is to keep Iraq in a colonial state where the assets of the country can be divided up among the occupiers and their business associates. The bases in Iraq must remain to remind other mid east countries that state assets can and will be taken by force.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:57 PM on 03/18/2008

Does anyone remember the last time the NYT published an op-ed piece by someone who was right about the war from day one?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 03/18/2008

Who is credited for the following statements regarding Al-Qaida in Iraq?
"Al-Qaida in Iraq, which did not exist as a coherent group before U.S. troops invaded in March 2003, probably now numbers no more than 6,000, according to U.S. intelligence estimates. It may have been closer to 10,000-strong before the severe pummeling it took last year, when it lost its main bases of Sunni Arab support."
Prior to yesterday the maximum number of Al Qaida in Iraq was reported to be 6000 and in January of 2007 just before the "SURGE" the number reported was less than 2000. So what am I to believe? Are there 4000 more bad guys in Iraq now than before the "SURGE"? When did the number of Al Qaida in Iraq reach 10,000? According to the news reports the "SURGE" has resulted in the capture or killing of about 1000 Al Qaida in Iraq. Does that mean there were 7000 Al Qaida in Iraq in March of 2007?
If the "NEW" numbers are accurate we have 165,000 Allied Troops and 400,000 Iraq Security Forces battling 7000 bad guys for a year and has only managed to eliminate 1000. Now I understand the Generals comment that they will "NEVER" be able to eliminate them all implying US Troops will be needed FOREVER.

Jim Frego

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:10 PM on 03/18/2008

"...ultimately finds a way home with honor, and without destroying all it went to Iraq to achieve."
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That's like saying we should stick with the plan after our bank heist has turned into a police hostage standoff because doing otherwise would be 'dishonorable'. Besides, nobody's ever explained to my WHY we went into Iraq - except maybe for a little generic 'retribution'. At one point the rule of engagement said that if a citizen on the street dared to look you in the face as your convoy passed you were to shoot them down like a dog 'just in case'. So much for American honor.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:04 PM on 03/18/2008

Thank you for mentioning Ron Paul. He is the only reasonable Presidential candidate the Republicans have, but, of course, being neoconned, they have suppressed him in favor of that wacky war-mongering McCain. As a registered Republican, I will NOT vote for McCain. If he runs I can only hope that he will lose.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:49 PM on 03/18/2008

When I read the John Burns article, i send off the following letter to the NY Times. Of course it never got published:

John Burns writes: "Back in 2003, only the most prescient could have guessed that the...the toll would include tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed, as well nearly 4,000 American troops; or that America"s financial costs, by some recent estimates, would rise above $650 billion by 2008, on their way to perhaps $2 trillion if the commitment continues for another five years..." Only the most prescient? Millions of protestors around the world and here in the U.S. not only "guessed" this, but laid out in great detail exactly what the invasion would cause. Quite sadly, we were almost entirely correct. But here in the U.S. we were called "naive" at best, "traitors" at worst. The mainstream media, including the NY Times, helped beat the drums of war, something you have yet to fully apologize for. Burns' words seems to justify your behavior: "how could we have known?" Well you could have and should have.

It is beyond me how those who were so arrogant towards the war's opponents five years ago and were totally mistaken in their analyses, can continue to peddle the same old failed policies as "the only alternative." To argue, as Burns does, that we have to stay in Iraq "to ensure stability," is a continuation of the same false and delusional approach that got us into the mess in the first place. It is our continued presence there that guarantees continued instability. Yes, there will be more blood letting when we leave, but the situation will stabilize. Unfortunately, the Iraq that will emerge in the aftermath of our leaving will be far from our misguided hopes, or what might have emerged had the Iraqis overthrown Sadaam Hussein themselves.. That is one price we will pay for our arrogant invasion. Staying will not achieve something better. Five years is enough time to prove that. We must let the Iraqis solve their own problems. We should never have gone in and we should get out now.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 03/18/2008

Wow. That's the time I've been called "the most prescient," and by the New York Times no less. And oddly enough, I was far from alone. By this standard, there are millions of super-prescients out here in the real world. Spooky, eh?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 03/18/2008

The New York Times believes (Like the Neocons) that US policy in the Middle East should be to support those of Israel, whatever they are. Israel is run by a group of their own Neocons that want the US to copy their mindset of permanent military occupation of the Middle East. The NY Times has no objectivity in reporting on the occupation of the Palestinians or the war in Iraq.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 03/18/2008

You're right, Mr. Bromwich. The article was a particularly unctuous piece of warmongering.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 03/18/2008

Outstanding article from David Bromwich. I was particularly struck by the phrase: "an utter dissociation of moral judgment from aesthetic pleasure..."; just this very morning I was thinking about abstract expressionism and how still, so many people say they find paintings by Pollock, Kline, Motherwell, Newman, incomprehensible. When in fact, so many Americans live lives of nearly total abstraction. Thus we have fellow human beings being tortured, maimed and brutalized at the cost of billions of dollars, while so many others only worry about the cost of gasoline to power large, inefficient automobiles.

As for the New York Times, it makes you wonder what kind of delusional cloud that Rupert Murdoch floats under, when he purchased the Wall Street Journal to be a right wing counter weight, to the left leaning NYT. If the paper of so-called record is considered liberal, then it becomes a neoconservative talking point. But if it is called neoliberal, a phrase not used much in this country, but one that is,as writer Arundhati Roy has pointed out, easily understood around the world, then it becomes apparent why the New York Times would endorse Senator Clinton. Translated for the "pain at the pump" abstracted citizen: those Burger Kings in Iraq are there to stay.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:16 AM on 03/18/2008

Brilliant disection of another propaganda piece by the Times. This just reinforces to me the fact that the media no longer cares about truth, but about assuaging the fears and soothing the feeling that our nation is no longer the virtuous nation many once thought we were. So far they have suceeded. Iraq is off the front page , Bush is still in the White House,and Libby and Rove are not in jail. Power, not justice, rules in an incurious nation.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:30 AM on 03/18/2008

That's a most impressive analysis. We need to be reminded, even at this late date, that the NYT was always supportive of the War from the very beginning, and seems to have an agenda that staying in it is better than declaring victory and departing that benighted place with as much determination as we went in.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 AM on 03/18/2008

David For five years there has been no shortage of dissenting opinions to this war and of it's creators. But really, don't you ever get just tired and disgusted that those of us that oppose the war are seemingly ignored? That all of the reality checks and truth we attempt to convey are relegated to and stalled in the progressive blogosphere? Anyone with a thinking, working brain knows all about the treasonous, traitorous lies that led us to Iraq (and Afghanistan!) And we know who the men and women responsible for one of the world's most vile deceptions are. We know about the criminal acts they continually commit and we realize they are dangerous and completely out of control. We know they are quite literally selling out and destroying America. But most of all we know that no one is stopping them. Individually, all we can do is complain. Without honest, heroic congresspersons to act on our (And the majority of Americans) legitimate and urgent concerns, disgust seems to be our only retribution. And as consuming and distressing as our disgust is, for all practical purpose, it seems to be ours alone. This does nothing to satisfy my soul-felt hunger for correction and justice. Have you any earthly idea how immensely maddening all this is? As Thomas Paine observed, "These are times that test a man's soul."

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:39 AM on 03/18/2008

You can satisfy yourself by doing something about it: Go to Fair.org They have an action-alert going to ask the Times why there were no anti-war voices represented. email addresses included.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:45 AM on 03/18/2008

ricchase, here is a thought: your post gives me hope. Have you heard this one before?: "give up giving up". My only prayer is thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:22 AM on 03/18/2008

Remember Judy Miller? Cheney would tell her what a threat Saddam was, Judy would put this
garbage in the Times, then Cheney would point to the Times to prove what a threat Saddam was.
Even I, not the world's brightest person, could smell crap a mile away. And don't believe for a second Hillary was hoodwinked. She just believed Rummy would win the war. Am I wrong?

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:39 AM on 03/18/2008

I have never read anything written with more respect for, and command of, the English word.

Add to that a disdain towards those who would subvert it to their ill-will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:39 AM on 03/18/2008

The NYT was leading the pounding along with Faux news in the drumbeat to war. at least with faux news, we new it was rightwing bullcrap. some people actually believe that the NYT is liberal and that belief is what makes the NYT more dangerous. I would say that it would have been nice if the NYT didn't "go along" with the war mongering, but that would imply that they weren't involved in driving it in the first place.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:20 AM on 03/18/2008

You'll enjoy the 'on-going' coverage (of the perpetual war)...

'U.S. Adapts Cold-War Idea to Fight Terrorists
By ERIC SCHMITT and THOM SHANKER - NYT - March 18, 2008

WASHINGTON " In the days immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, members of President Bush"s war cabinet declared that it would be impossible to deter the most fervent extremists from carrying out even more deadly terrorist missions with biological, chemical or nuclear weapons.

Since then, however, administration, military and intelligence officials assigned to counterterrorism have begun to change their view. After piecing together a more nuanced portrait of terrorist organizations, they say there is reason to believe that a combination of efforts could in fact establish something akin to the posture of deterrence, the strategy that helped protect the United States from a Soviet nuclear attack during the cold war.

Interviews with more than two dozen senior officials involved in the effort provided the outlines of previously unreported missions to mute Al Qaeda"s message, turn the jihadi movement"s own weaknesses against it and illuminate Al Qaeda"s errors whenever possible.

A primary focus has become cyberspace, which is the global safe haven of terrorist networks. To counter efforts by terrorists to plot attacks, raise money and recruit new members on the Internet, the government has mounted a secret campaign to plant bogus e-mail messages and Web site postings, with the intent to sow confusion, dissent and distrust among militant organizations, officials confirm.

At the same time, American diplomats are quietly working behind the scenes with Middle Eastern partners to amplify the speeches and writings of prominent Islamic clerics who are renouncing terrorist violence.' ...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:01 AM on 03/18/2008

If I were to offer a comment to John Burns about his Sunday Times piece it would be to read Ben Metcalf's article entitled "Why I Pay My Taxes" in April's Notebook section of Harper's Magazine. Anyone who reads Metcalf's biting satirical comments and then able to write or agree with anything as inane and insensitive as Burns' Sunday comments might rightfully be called sociopathic.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:12 AM on 03/18/2008

NYT and the rest the media cheerleaders to the hellish carnage in Iraq have blood on their hands, and they know that.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:38 PM on 03/17/2008

And all of us here in the HuffPost community need to do our duty and BOYCOTT this deadly rag, with "blood on its hands" for the part they played in killing and maiming our children, bankrupting our country, destroying our reputation around the world, and making us less safe!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:46 AM on 03/18/2008

letters@nytimes.com


Let these people know what you think.

Mr. Bromwich, you have written a great post. Thank you.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:31 AM on 03/18/2008

Thomas Jefferson, wrote, "A press that is free to investigate and criticize the government is absolutely essential in a nation that practices self-government and is therefore dependent on an educated and enlightened citizenry"

The NYT, employing Judy Miller, all the way through continuing to repeat lies about WMD in Iraq, to not being critical of American policies in the Middle East, through endorsing Hillary Clinton and hiring Bill Kristol, is there any doubt that they want to bring Democracy and the New York Times to the Middle East, from Baghdad to Iran. They think this is still the 1990's. And THEY like the Kristol's, Pearls, Kenneth Pollacks, Burns, Hagee's - all have an Agenda for the Middle East. Agenda, Agenda,

The fact that a paper as big as the NYT is not doing the investigative reporting that matters - while conditions in this Country and in foreign policy are the worse in a generation or two, AND to continue to enable others - clearly shows how one track minded they are. I they are not doing their job.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:19 PM on 03/17/2008

BOYCOTT!!!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:47 AM on 03/18/2008

I've never been a proponent of this wasteful and useless war, but I have to say that I have seen Mr. Burns interviewed a number of times and have never thought that he was a hawk. There were many times he expressed his dislike for what had happened and did not support the Bush policies, but there wa also a point where he fel that we had put his friends in Iraq in such a difficult position that we could not just up and leave. At that point he seemed really torn between what was the best course forthe US and the needs of the Iraqis.
I have also never been a fan of the NY Times, it is really the reflection of the status quo and the wealthy, that the right has purposely dumped onto the left.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:17 PM on 03/17/2008

If the Germans were to have had a free election in September, 1940 to decide whether they should continue their occupations of France, Belgium, Holland, Norway, among others, those in favor of continuing the occupations would have argued that Germany could not abandon the Quisling, Laval and other collaborators who sided with them.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:47 AM on 03/18/2008

Thomas Jefferson, wrote, "A press that is free to investigate and criticize the government is absolutely essential in a nation that practices self-government and is therefore dependent on an educated and enlightened citizenry"

The NYT, From employing Judy Miller, all the way through continuing to repeat lies about WMD in Iraq, to not being critical of American policies in the Middle East, through endorsing Hillary Clinton and hiring Bill Kristol, is there any doubt that they want to bring Democracy and the New York Times to the Middle East, from Baghdad to Iran. They think this is still the 1990's. And THEY like the Kristol's, Pearls, Kenneth Pollacks, Burns, Hagee's - all have an Agenda for the Middle East. Agenda, Agenda,

McCain might or might not enable these true Anti-America Neocons but you can bet your life that The Clintons will. Hillary Clinton will be a useful tool, like L. Paul Bremer . But have will have not hesitation or regret because The Clinton's will enable everyone and anyone - for personal influence and power. That was behind the hit job on McCain. They want to position Clinton in the White House - because she will maintain the same failed policies of the last 28 years.

The fact that a paper as big as the NYT is not doing the investigative reporting that matters - while conditions in this Country and in foreign policy are the worse in a generation or two, AND to continue to enable others - clearly shows how one track minded they are. I they are not doing their job.

Just hope an enlightened citizenry continues to read blogs. and not depend solely on TV or the MSM to get the truth. Because Jefferson and the founding fathers would be rolling in their graves right now as these, neocons, and agendad people helped by the NYT goes forward in taking this country toward their delusional path

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:10 PM on 03/17/2008

First of all ithe Iraq War cost is not $587 Million it is somewhere between $1.5 BILLION and $3 BILLION when you factor in the future costs that will continue to come in over the next decade.
Secondly there has been over 165,000 Allied Forces and nearly 400,000 Iraqi Security Forces in Iraq for the past year.
In March of 2007 there was somewhere between 2000 and 7000 Al Qaida in Iraq and that is the supposed reason we are there. The 2nd in Command, General on the ground just stated last week "WE CAN NOT KILL OR CAPTURE THEM ALL". So by all accounts I have read there were NO Al Qaida in Iraq in March 2003 and the presence of US Troops has been a magnet for drawing them to Iraq. The Maximum size of Al Qaida in Iraq was somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000, The Allied Forces were as high as 175,000 and 50,000 Iraqi"s were trained by General Patreaus by June 2004.
So for 4 years over 200,000 troops have managed to kill or capture only 4000 bad guys. That is pretty pathetic by any measure.
Given that the Iraqi"s Security Force will be about 425,000 fully trained and there will be less than 5000 or 1000 bad guys why will 130,000 American Troops be needed after March 2009??
It is even conceivable that if we leave, the majority of Al Qaida will also leave because the reason they are there is to Kill Americans. I do not buy the REPUBLICAN PROPAGANA that Al Qaida will overthrow the Iraq government and set up terrorist training schools in Iraq. I just cannot get my arms around 5000 bad guys overthrowing a country of 25Million with a Security Force of over 425,000.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 PM on 03/17/2008

So what's new?

For decades the New York Times has printed Mossad handouts under the bylines of Abe Rosenthal, William Safire, Judith Miller and a host of Op-Ed contributors. It lied in the lead-up to the invasion and will continue to do so as long as it deems our remaining in Iraq to be in Israel's interest.

End of story.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:32 PM on 03/17/2008

The heavy weight of the Israel lobby is not difficult to discern here.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:37 AM on 03/18/2008

As soon as I finish this, I will write the following Letter to the Editor at the New York Times:

"Sirs/Madams,

Re your continued coverage of the Iraq War:

You Suck.

Signed,

An ex-reader

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:29 PM on 03/17/2008