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Questions for Republicans on Health Care Reform

Posted: 04/ 9/2012 11:57 am

As we await the verdict of nine Supreme Court Justices on the constitutionality of all or part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), it is worth asking what the remaining Republican Presidential nominees would create in its place. We know that they would have to create something, because each is committed to the rapid abolition of what they insist on calling "Obamacare." Mitt Romney's Plan for Jobs and Economic Growth is quite clear: "An Order to Pave the Way to End Obamacare," it tells us, will be the first of "five executive orders for Day One" of a Romney presidency. Newt Gingrich would be similarly engaged on the first day of his presidency. So too would Rick Santorum and Ron Paul. All four remaining Republican presidential candidates are enthusiastic First Day Abolitionists!

But what we don't know in any detail is what exactly would follow on Day 2, if any of them were elected in November. We know some things, but we do not know anywhere near enough.

• We know that Mitt Romney would "direct the Secretary of Health and Human Services and all relevant officials to return the maximum possible authority to the states to innovate and design health care solutions that work best for them." We know that he has changed his position from "pro-choice" to "pro-life," and that he now supports the Blunt proposal allowing employers and insurers to limit coverage of contraceptives if they have religious/moral objections to that provision. We also know he is proposing to return Medicaid spending entirely to the states, that he would raise the Medicare eligibility age by one month per year during his presidency, and that he would offer Medicare recipients (by 2022) a choice between "the traditional, fee-for-service government health-care program and a new option to purchase private insurance, with the cost partly supported by the government." Since so many of those proposals also appear in the 2012 Ryan budget passed by the House in March, we also know that Romney has declared that budget "a bold and exciting effort, very much consistent with what I put out earlier."

• We know that Rick Santorum -- ultra-conservative as he is on abortion, gay marriage and even contraception -- would, as his website has it, "repeal and replace Obamacare with market based health care innovation and competition to improve America and America's health and create jobs." We know, too, that he would work with Congress, as he wrote in the Wall Street Journal, "to replace Obamacare with competitive insurance choices to improve quality and limit the costs of health care, while protecting those with uninsurable health conditions." We also know that Rick Santorum dismisses Romney's health care proposals as eleventh hour conversions from his (Romney's) own equivalent to the ACA. 'The bottom line," as he told Romney during the February 22 debate in Arizona, is "you used federal dollars to fund the government takeover of health care in Massachusetts, and then Barack Obama used it as a model for taking over his health care system in America."

• We have some insight into Ron Paul's thinking on these matters from the candidates' debate in September when Wolf Blitzer asked him what we should do if someone who had chosen not to take out health insurance suddenly needed long-term care. "That's what freedom is about, taking your own risks," was Paul's reply. The audience went even further. To Blitzer's follow up question -- "Society should just let him die?" -- they broke into cheers and shouts of "Yeah!"

• And we know that late conversions to conservative positions are not a Mitt Romney monopoly. As recently as 2007 Newt Gingrich was proposing that "Congress should require anyone who earns more than $50,000 to purchase health insurance or post a bond;" and in 2011 Gingrich criticized the Ryan proposals that were later endorsed by Mitt Romney as too radical a piece of conservative social engineering. That is not quite the Gingrich we have seen on the campaign trail these many months.

• Well might Gingrich have criticized Paul Ryan, for in the 2011 budget, House Republicans proposed not simply scrapping the ACA. They also proposed replacing Medicare entirely with a voucher system, one in which seniors would receive federal money to help buy private insurance but also one in which any top-up costs would be borne by seniors themselves. In 2012 Ryan and the House Republicans modified that proposal slightly, allowing future Medicare recipients to choose between staying in the program or receiving limited help to buy private health insurance. For in 2012, Ryan's main target was not Medicare but Medicaid -- with the new budget proposing immediately to scrap the extensions of coverage mandated by the ACA, and to restrict the federal role in Medicaid thereafter to the writing for each state of a single check (indexed for inflation and population growth) which state officials could spend on the medical needs of the poor as they saw fit. The Ryan 2012 budget also proposed reducing the total growth in the amount of those Medicaid checks by $810 billion over the next decade -- in effect cutting total federal spending on the medical needs of the poor by 20 percent.


We also know one other set of things -- about "Obamacare" itself. Although the Affordable Care Act has already been scaled back in key ways, we know that certain of its provisions have already brought significant change to the U.S. health system, and that its remaining provisions promise even more significant changes to come. So it is legitimate to ask whether Republicans in Congress and on the presidential stump are proposing to roll back any/all of the following ACA-initiated changes?

• CONSUMER RIGHTS Under the ACA, insurance companies are no longer allowed to exclude potential customers on the basis of pre-existing conditions. Nor are they allowed to alter premiums if their customers become sick, or to set lifetime/annual limits on payments for care. (This in the context of an American population in which, in 2007, as many as 36 percent of those seeking private health insurance were denied such coverage or charged higher premiums for just those reasons, and in which more than 7 Americans in 10 currently support the retention of this provision. )

• INSURANCE FOR YOUNG ADULTS Parents are now able to keep their children covered on their health insurance until the children are aged 26. The EPI estimate that 490,000 young adults gained coverage between 2009 and 2010 because of this provision in the ACA, a twelve month period in which employer-sponsored health insurance fell for all other age groups in the U.S. population. (This in the context of unemployment rates among 18 to 24 year olds currently running at over 20 percent, one in which at least 15 million 19-29 year olds lacked health insurance in 2009, and one in five Americans aged 25-34 are reportedly now living back with their parents. )

• HEALTH-INSURANCE EXCHANGES From 2014, Americans unable to negotiate employer-provided health insurance cover will have access to state-level insurance exchanges in which they will be able to obtain private health insurance, with federal assistance if their income is too small. 30-34 million Americans are expected to gain coverage under this and other provisions of the ACA. (This in the context of a steady diminution in the percentage of the U.S. labor force with access to employer-provided health insurance -- down to 58.6 percent in 2010, when it had been 69.2 percent in 2000 -- and a continuing rise in the number of Americans without health insurance -- up by one million in 2010 to just under 50 million. Nine million working-age Americans lost their jobs, and with it their health coverage, between 2008 and 2010. )

• FINANCIAL HELP WITH INSURANCE PREMIUMS Americans earning up to four times the poverty level for their size of family will have access to federal funds to help pay for health care coverage. (This in the context of a distribution of income in the contemporary United States that keeps one American in three living within one tranche of the poverty level, and in which the cost of health insurance has far outstripped the rate of wage increase in the last decade -- health costs having more than doubled as wages have stagnated.)

• EXPANSION OF MEDICAID Americans living below the poverty line -- and indeed those living up to 133 percent above it -- will now be eligible for Medicaid, regardless of whether they do or do not have children. (This in the context of a poverty rate among all Americans of 15.1 percent, among African-Americans of 27.4 percent and among Hispanic Americans of 26.6 percent. )

• WOMEN'S HEALTH Women now enjoy increased access to preventive care services without co-pays and deductibles. By 2014 insurance companies and Medicare will be obliged to provide a wide range of these services, including access to a full range of FDA-approved contraceptives, without any gender-rating of insurance premiums. "About 54 million Americans now have expanded coverage of at least one preventive service as a result." (This in the context in which 98 percent of Catholic American women regularly use some form of birth control, and one in which, before the passing of the ACA, 87 percent of all individual insurance plans excluded maternity care on the grounds of it being "a pre-existing condition." )

• AID TO SENIORS Senior citizens on Medicare now have federal help financing part of the doughnut hole in their purchase of prescription drugs. In 2011, 3.6 million senior Americans saved more than $2 million as a result. The Act proposes closing the doughnut hole entirely by 2020. (This in the context of a Medicare population of over 48 million.)

So there are questions to which the American electorate deserves clear and unambiguous answers from the men who would take the White House back for the Republicans in November.

1. At the very least, we deserve to know if "the abolishing of Obamacare on Day 1," to which they are all committed, will involve the abolition of some/all of the detailed -- and popular -- changes already implemented or underway. Are the Republican candidates proposing to do away with the ban on pre-conditions? (Santorum, at least, is on record as saying the ban should go. ) Will children under 26 be covered on their parents' policies? Will Americans on low income receive federal funding to help purchase health insurance? Will the numbers of the involuntarily uninsured go up or go down if the Republicans win the White House? We need to know.

2. We also need to know where the candidates stand on the consequences of the Ryan budget. Where do the candidates stand on the CBO's recent estimate that, when by 2022 Medicare has been replaced by vouchers, senior citizens will find themselves responsible for up to two-thirds of their total medical bills? Do the candidates really support the detail of the Ryan budget when its proposed Medicaid spending limits are anticipated to take between 14 and 28 million poor Americans out of coverage by 2022, and when its associated cuts in food stamps would adversely impact the basic diets of the 47 million Americans now dependent upon them? Is it the policy of the Republican presidential candidates, as it is of the House Republicans supporting this budget, to see federal spending on Medicaid, SCHIP and subsidies for private insurance be 75 percent lower by 2050 than they will be if existing legislation remains in place? And how do Republicans square their advocacy of privatizing Medicare with their claim that seniors and the poor will not be adversely affected, when there is clear evidence, from the CBO and others, that privatization would "likely result in higher out-of-pocket costs and greater limits to coverage for many Americans."

3. And again, how exactly will the Republican proposals achieve better cost-savings than those projected for the Affordable Care Act? Those ACA cost savings, as we know, would have been greater had not Republican legislators blocked the inclusion of a public option in the state-level health exchanges, and had they not also blocked the creation of a single nation-wide exchange. Even now, House Republicans are blocking the creation of the Independent Payment Advisory Board designed explicitly to reduce costs (the CBO had it saving $3 billion between 2018 and 2022. ) Unless the new requirements on preconditions and the individual mandate are dropped in any Republican-designed health care reform, how can that reform avoid a veritable explosion in the cost of insurance premiums? ("Insurance premiums would rise by as much as 25 percent if the healthcare law is implemented without an individual mandate, according to a new analysis from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation." ) Deregulated insurance companies have historically inflated health care costs in the United States, putting profits before service to leave the U.S. with the most expensive health care system in the advanced industrial world. How exactly will market-based reforms avoid that fate in the future?

4. We need to know so many other things too. Why is the individual mandate -- once the corner-stone of conservative proposals to reform the U.S. health care system -- now so unacceptable to conservatives? Why are they so upset with this dimension of the ACA, when the individual mandate will apply to so few people -- maybe two percent of all Americans at most? Why are conservative legislators so opposed to this example of privatization when they are so keen on other examples -- not least the privatization of Social Security -- whose constitutional legitimacy will also be brought into question if this key element of the ACA is indeed struck down? And why seek to replace Medicare with subsidized private insurance when the evidence is abundantly clear that Medicare is significantly cheaper to deliver and administer than any form of "managed competition" yet devised?

5. And, of course, we still need to know why "Obamacare" was acceptable to Mitt Romney when he was Governor of Massachusetts, but is not acceptable to Mitt Romney when seeking the Republican presidential nomination. Why, when the Massachusetts experiment is actually working so well? It was apparently obvious to Romney the governor that the market in health care and the market in broccoli were not the same -- that by not buying broccoli Americans were not adding to the financial burdens of their fellow citizens, but that by not buying health care, they were. So why the change: is this a matter of principle or of politics? If this is simply a matter of politics, what plans does Romney have in place to cope with the chaos which both a full and a partial striking down of the ACA will leave in place in a U.S. health-care system already beginning to implement so many of the ACA reforms? If, however, it is a matter of principle, then what is the Republican answer to the free-rider problem to which the individual mandate is one possible solution? Are Accident and Emergency units in American hospitals to turn away those without insurance, or will those with insurance be expected to continue to cross-subsidize those without? We need to know.

Political vandalism is always the easier route for parties and individuals when out of office. But with office come responsibilities -- and the bigger the office, the greater the responsibilities associated with it. So those Republican politicians who would seek the highest office in the land have a particular obligation to be clear with those of us who would elect them.

• They need to tell us how a return to market-based insurance reform can hope to clear the way for access to healthcare for all, in an economy as scarred as this one is with income inequality and mass involuntary unemployment.
• They need to defend and justify their impoverished notion of freedom: freedom defined as the freedom from health-care responsibilities, and not as the freedom to live without the fear of catastrophic health care costs.
• They need to tell us how they -- the political magicians they claim to be -- can reduce healthcare costs without reducing the availability of coverage to the American poor; and they need to test that assertion, in all its detail, in the court of public opinion.

Healthcare is too important an issue -- and too large a part of the American economy -- to be discussed in clichés and sound-bites. In truth, it's actually too important an issue to be resolved by nine unelected judges attempting to divine how long-dead eighteen century men would respond to twenty-first century problems. But there's no avoiding that. The Supreme Court will have its say, and what those nine judges decide will seal the fate of the ACA one way or the other. So as we wait for them to do that, we do desperately need to know what would actually happen should the ACA be struck down and there be a Republican presidential election victory in November. We need to know all that well in advance.

Of course, as we saw earlier when reviewing Republican positions on taxes, on business regulation and on federal deficits, to the degree that we do discover what a Republican victory in November will actually mean, the likelihood of that victory will diminish accordingly. That is presumably one rather important reason why the four remaining Republican candidates are not telling us, in the detail we require, what exactly they will create in the ACA's place. We need to press them to do so.

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As we await the verdict of nine Supreme Court Justices on the constitutionality of all or part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), it is worth asking what the remaining Republican Presidential nominees ...
As we await the verdict of nine Supreme Court Justices on the constitutionality of all or part of the Affordable Care Act (ACA), it is worth asking what the remaining Republican Presidential nominees ...
 
 
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10:40 PM on 04/20/2012
As someone who's insurance is being raised to $1100 (just for me), I would LOVE to hear the answers to these questions. If they have a better answer, then spit it out already! I am so tired of right wing nuts complaining about the idea single payer plan or a National plan, even through there are many examples of it working beautifully...right here in the US! Hawaii and Mitt "flip flop" Romney's Massachusetts being two examples.
All of these people who say "I don't need insurance so I shouldn't have to pay" are GOING to need it! And when they do not have it, those of us who ARE insured end up paying higher premiums as hospitals raise their prices to recoup losses from the idiots who gambled and lost, as do the taxpayers when the cheapskates declare bankruptcy due to the hospital bills. Maybe if the alternative was a No Pay/No Play policy where those that chose not to get insurance had to pay up front for medical treatment when that pesky cancer rears it's head or not receive the treatment, they would realize what is at stake here. Why are they OK with passing the buck off to the rest of us?
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DJleary
12:43 AM on 04/10/2012
As long as we insist on relying on the same decrepid corprate "insurance" structure the game is off.
Let's be real. If you have lived in this country a whikle you know the drill. It will and is being gamed as we write.

This garbage legislation was written by the cabal to benefit the cabal.

Do you think "affordable" means $2000 plus per month for extortion for a family in SF?
A mandate won't change that and the list of meager benefits you listed, which aren't free btw- above have yet to materialize and I wager will not.
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Jerome Bigge
07:59 PM on 04/10/2012
Realistically the private health insurance industry is too economically and politically powerful for any politician to dare attack. We saw what happened to the Clinton Health Plan of 1993 which would have forced the industry to compete against one another in offering bids to provide group policies (under community rated standards) to large groups of people. People would have also had a choice of coverage, ranging from a low cost HMO plan to a higher cost fee for service plan where you could pick your own doctor. Costs would have been covered through a progressive payroll tax ranging from 7.8% to 15.6% split between employer and employee. Overall, a much better plan than Obama's. Of course, the health insurance industry didn't see it that way. Nor was the AMA that delighted either. Or the drug companies, who feared being forced to negotiate prices with the federal government. All the sort of things that those lucky enough to live in Canada, Europe, Japan, or "down under" enjoy today. Paying considerably less than Americans do for the same level of medical coverage.
09:09 PM on 04/09/2012
Insurance companies and drug companies like Obamacare so it cant be good for our wallets.
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Jerome Bigge
08:00 PM on 04/10/2012
Good for their "bottom line" however. Which is what really counts so far as they are concerned.
09:08 PM on 04/09/2012
There is nothing afforadable about the affordable care act especially fo those of us who have individual policies. There is also no skin in the game for consumers so there is no incentive to cut costs by consumers or insurance companies. i dont want my policy to have to include drug and alcohol treatment , birth control pills or pregnancy,prescription drugs,dental care for hildren , vision servicesbehavioral treatment, mental health and more . I want a policy with a high deductible and many exclusions inorder to lower my costs. I have car insurance but only for accidents. i dont want insurance for the cost of new wipers, brakes, tires, oil changes etc. this would be an administrative nightmare and end up raising my costs. I have insurance on my house but not to paint the bedrooms or mow the lawn . I dont even have earthquake insurance. Obama wants me to pay far more and get less and get things I either don't want or would prefer to pay for in the rare instance that I use them .Obama's motive is another redistribution of the wealth, not affordable care . He also wants the govt to control everything .I would prefer a policy that just covered major things like long hospitalization if I get in an accident or contract a rare tropical disease.
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09:46 PM on 04/09/2012
Employer coverage includes a schedule of coverage of what's included,you don't get a choice.
You might have a choice of different providers at different costs.

If you have a major medical policy it will have a high deductible,high out of pocket and lifetime limit. ACA has no lifetime limit.

If you happen to (god forbid) have a cronic disease like diabetes, you will be paying that deductible and out of pocket every year.

If you happen to lose coverage, you will then be uninsurable due to pre-existing condition. ACA insures you coverage.

As a consumer you are paying now for the uninsured in premium cost. ACA isn't an end all solution but it's a start.
07:18 PM on 04/10/2012
Where is your proof that a substantial portion of my premiums go to the hospitalization of the uninsured ? Most of the uninsured have few or no assets anyway so they will get a free ride under Obamacare. If they have money they are used and judgments are granted against them and their credit is ruined.
I dont have type one diabetes and type two can only be treated with diet and exercise.You can try some of the lethal drugs used for it if you choose.
I choose to have a high deductible because i don't go to doctors .
Ensuring everyone , even those with preexisting conditions, coverage raises not lowers costs .I don't care about the lifetime cap
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Larrythetarheel
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06:19 PM on 04/09/2012
Republicans will not answer not one of these questions. They are not capable of answering all of them.
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Jerome Bigge
08:26 PM on 04/10/2012
Republicans really have no answers to these questions and never really have had "answers" because they are aware that of the only two possible answers, neither fits with their political philosophy. Under the Republican philosophy of 19th Century Social Darwinism, the "fit" do possess the economic means to pay for health care. The "unfit", who do not, are not the responsibility of society (composed of the "fit"), but may live or die as nature intends. They will however refer to "charity" as being the "fall back position", "charity" supposedly being capable of paying for the medical treatment of those too poor to pay for it. At one time doctors did a certain amount of "charity" work, making up the difference by charging their paying patients "a bit more".
03:24 PM on 04/09/2012
The only approach to health care that will not result in rising prices and eventual rationing of care is the removal of government as an intermediary in the market. The ACA will yield a broken system. The current system (i.e. the Medicare era) is a broken system. A completely nationalized health care system (like the NHS) would yield a broken system. Only when consumers and providers can negotiate for desired services without outside intervention will the health care industry begin to provide the services that are desired at prices that patients can afford.
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Jerome Bigge
08:31 PM on 04/10/2012
All societies ration health care. They ration care either by price or by simply not supplying care when it comes to certain high cost procedures. If you are wealthy enough, you can buy all the health care that can be provided here in the USA. In countries that set certain limits on what care will be provided, again wealthy enough, you get on an airplane and come to the USA where assuming you have enough money, care up to the "state of the art" will be provided. For ordinary every day type things, the NHS does rather well. Ordinary insured Americans get fairly good care. The problem comes here with those "too rich for medicaid, too poor for insurance". Then they are out of luck. They may get treated, but will likely have to file for bankruptcy afterwards.
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Haveissues
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are
03:06 PM on 04/09/2012
Because, as usual, the republicans either don't think their ideas through to conclusion, or they don't care. As healthcare costs rise, and if the ACA is struck down totally, will skyrocket, what is to become of people that can no longer afford insurance? As more and more employers decide not to offer coverage, insurance will be a luxury . As for the rising number of people unable to pay for medical care. Are they to die? If not, who pays for them?
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Jerome Bigge
08:39 PM on 04/10/2012
Ever see the movie "Soylent Green"? At the end of the movie, the old man goes to the government suicide center and is given a slow acting lethal injection. After his death, his body is "recycled" into "Soylent Green". Perhaps the Republicans could be talked into making suicide "easier".

The Republicans really don't care what happens to the low income people. They are doing everything they can to take away the vote from the poor, minorities, students, seniors, etc. Republicans are aware that they are unpopular enough now they can't win an honest election.
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Haveissues
You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are
10:01 PM on 04/10/2012
Well put. F&F
02:58 PM on 04/09/2012
Ryan's "VoucherCare" program is an individual mandate to to purchase health insurance from private companies. These vouchers would be paid directly to insurance companies. If you did not want to purchase insurance from these private companies... you would be penalized by losing your benefit for which you have paid into the system for over 30 years.
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Jerome Bigge
08:48 PM on 04/10/2012
Do the "math" on this one. Medicare's "overhead costs" are supposedly something like 3%. The average "overhead cost" of private individual insurance is 20%. So for the same amount of money Medicare will deliver 17% more care. As there are likely few Republicans who didn't graduate from the 8th grade, they should be able to understand this level of math. So we can conclude that what the Republicans want to do is "cut" the amount of money Medicare spends on people. This will also shorten life spans, which has positive benefits for Social Security. Additionally if most seniors die in their seventies, there will be fewer seniors living in nursing homes on Medicaid. Shorter life spans (except for the rich) means less money is spent on seniors. There is "logic" in the way Republicans think... They are a cold, cruel breed when you get down to it. Carry their thinking out far enough and I'll leave the conclusion to the reader.
02:37 PM on 04/09/2012
"They need to tell us how they -- the political magicians they claim to be -- can reduce healthcare costs without reducing the availability of coverage to the American poor"

You need to tell us how Obamacare will increase access to healthcare without rationing care when it claims to provide millions with care and yet cuts the incentive for healthcare providers to increase capacity.

As for reducing healthcare costs, didn't the CBO just double their estimate of the cost of Obamacare? Also, another government healthcare entitlement, Medicare, reduces costs by paying doctors less than what their services are worth. Now doctors do what they can to avoid accepting Medicare patients.
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Jerome Bigge
08:53 PM on 04/10/2012
If you increase the number of people with insurance, change nothing else, you can expect longer waiting times to see a doctor. There is a solution for this, which involves repealing prescription laws. Without prescription laws, the number of "available office time" increases considerably. So you'd get to see a doctor much quicker because doctors would no longer be able to get people to make unnecessary office visits or take unnecessary lab tests. This would free up millions of hours of physician time to see people who really do need the doctor's services. The doctors would end up making about the same amount of money, but they'd have to work a bit "harder". Those unnecessary office visits and lab tests are "gravy" the doctor doesn't have to work for.
02:29 PM on 04/09/2012
"Why are they so upset with this dimension of the ACA, when the individual mandate will apply to so few people -- maybe two percent of all Americans at most?"

Oh, well if it's only two percent of Americans, I guess it's ok for the government to force them to buy things. I mean if it were five or six percent, THEN we would have a serious violation of liberty on our hands; but since it's only two percent I guess that's fine.
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ez14livin
02:50 PM on 04/09/2012
as long as you have a flag avatar your argument is cogent...

even if pigs began to fly and romney was elected, nothing would change except the attitudes of people like you. oh, it's endorsed now by a republican, so it must be good

let the SC strike it down, please. then we can move on to what really needs to happen: SINGLE PAYER
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John Galt2
My life is my own...
04:02 PM on 04/09/2012
How will single payer reduce costs and expand accessability?

In Canada, they have single payer, and the US health care system enjoys a robust cross-border medical tourism business.
05:28 PM on 04/09/2012
I agree let the SC rule it down lets pursue a single payer system that provides care for all. It may not be a constitional right but neither is social security or medicare for the elderly ( Democrats fought for there creation because its needed ). I do not want to feed the machine of the medical industrial complex but want to make sure people can have access to the care they need ( even crazy ass TP ); And, for all you gotp what do you think Jesus's position would be? Now who are you working for...
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John Galt2
My life is my own...
04:04 PM on 04/09/2012
Indeed, why worry about setting precedents, or ignoring the Constitution when it's all about the children?

Oh, and the widows too...
05:30 PM on 04/09/2012
WWJD? PROBABLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU WOULD DO...