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Supreme Court "Injustices": Why Term Limits Are Absolutely Necessary for Our Nation's Court

Posted: 07/10/2012 11:29 am

Let's face it. The thought of Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia presiding over us for the next decade -- if not longer -- and doing their "right" best to reverse course and halt our progress as we try to move forward as a nation, should send shivers up any reasonably intelligent person's spine.

Granted, Chief Justice, John Roberts (a conservative), recently sided with the liberals on immigration, and, most importantly, health care. But, with all the talk surrounding the possible motivation behind Roberts' decision -- the least popular option being he believed it was best for the American people -- it doesn't exactly breed confidence in the judiciary.

Looking at the big picture, whether or not Roberts is for or against health care is practically irrelevant. The fact that the presumption exists he voted with the liberals to "preserve the integrity of the Court," and not because he felt it was the right thing to do for the American people, is a pretty scary thought.

We have a chamber full of "lifetime appointees" who've sided along party lines for so long, and in so many recent crucial decisions (Bush v. Gore, Citizen's United, Montana's campaign laws, etc.), they're actually in danger of turning the once-respected court into nothing more than a bunch of "Court Jesters." Presently, there's such fierce dissenting and infighting amongst the judges themselves, would anyone be surprised if they all were summoned before Judge Judy?

"Justice Scalia, you put gum on the seat of Justice Sotomayor. You owe her $685.14 for a new robe."

On the liberal side, the fact that Justice Ginsberg hasn't retired during Obama's current term makes things even more precarious. If Romney wins, and, five days later, Ginsberg decides she's had enough, that means a 6-3 conservative majority on abortion, gay marriage, etc. And, we didn't think things could get any worse.

The current approval rating of the Supreme Court is a measly 33 percent, up a bit from its all-time low of 28 percent just three months ago. In business, nothing screams A CHANGE IS NEEDED! like a low approval rating. If the Supreme Court were a publicly traded company, its largest shareholders would be leaping out windows as we speak.

Maybe that's the answer? Make Congress bet on the Court like Fantasy Baseball. The more money they lose, the more amenable they'll be to booting a few.

To put the whole "lifetime appointment" thing in perspective, try and remember, the folks whose idea it was to appoint Supreme Court justices for life had wooden teeth. This decision, made over 225 years ago when monarchies were the main form of government, was, for the most part, due to the fear that politics would play too much of a role if the judges had to worry about losing their jobs under the king. I wonder what they'd say today. Perhaps a slight revamp, Your Majesty?

Another, even more intriguing, but most-likely-doomed-to-failure, option is to do what Jonathan Turley, a professor of public interest law at G.W. suggests -- and that is follow the lead of our more advanced, overseas neighbors and appoint several dozen justices to the court.

Professor Turley points out Germany has 16 justices, Japan 15, Israel 15, and France uses 124 judges who are rotated. Either of these systems would be better than what we have now, and would, no doubt, dramatically cut down on the politics and power of our current system.

Turley also adds, there's nothing magic about the number nine. Our founding fathers didn't specify any number of justices, thus, if we, as a people, can threaten enough of our representatives with unemployment, they may be open to revisiting this way-too-out-of-date Constitutional provision. If they need a nostalgic opinion, simply present to them the words of Ben Franklin or George Mason, the orchestrator of the Bill of Rights: "Nothing is so essential to the preservation of a Republican government as a periodic rotation." (Insert Butthead laugh here.)

Whether you're for or against term limits, believe in increasing -- or decreasing -- the number of justices, or just feel we should leave everything alone, you have to agree; in today's incredibly fast-paced, technologically-driven society, it's a bit unnerving having nine, stuffy, old lawyers -- some of whom probably still have a subscription to T.V. Guide -- acting as the final word on future policy.

God forbid some bio-tech geek discovers the secret to immortality in the next five years. Video stores everywhere would have to move The Matrix into the non-fiction section.

 

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Let's face it. The thought of Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia presiding over us for the next decade -- if not longer -- and doing their "right" best to reverse course and halt our progress as we tr...
Let's face it. The thought of Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia presiding over us for the next decade -- if not longer -- and doing their "right" best to reverse course and halt our progress as we tr...
 
 
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Mountain Man
12:40 PM on 07/11/2012
Wow..Sounds like The Roberts Court has some Ayn Rand Fans a little upset...Not Worry...Willard will put the court on his list of things He's going to fix in first hour as your President.
06:57 AM on 07/11/2012
When you have strict ideologues on the court who don't call balls and strikes based on the law, instead filter every decision through a prism of their own political philosophy without consideration for the law as Scalia, Alito and Thomas obviously do, you get a very scary interpretation of Justice. I would bet that the swing justice on the supreme court during Bush v Gore SD O'Connor doesn't sleep well at night knowing today what a Bush Presidency
had wrought.
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MS Ind
My micro-bio was empty.
09:49 AM on 07/11/2012
Please, stop whining about Bush v. Gore. I know you won't, but its getting old. Hanging chads don't always vote for Gore.
04:17 PM on 07/14/2012
In the timeline of history, it will prove to be the most important decsion by the court due to the exponential consequences of the Bush presidency. I Gore had been elected he would have continued the security focus of the Clinton administration and possibly thwarted 9/11 (Condi Rice didn't know who he was and ignored the daily warnings fromthe CIA) The neo-cons would not have gotten influence over the White House that took us in to Iraq. etc, etc.
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Neal Jansons
Author and Poet
01:29 AM on 07/11/2012
Seriously, I would give a lot for a true sovereign. A person of vision who could literally just say "Patriot Act? It was passed opportunistically without proper review, violates the principles of the Constitution, and has done nothing but create more terrorists and shame us--even more--on the national stage. Repealed." No votes. No lobbying. No hemming and hawing. No need for a president--a poor replacement for a true Prince--to whine and pule before Wall Street, no need for a sovereign to humiliate themselves (and us) by having a popularity contest every four years. Wouldn't it be wonderful?

Monarchy worked for thousands of years. The ink wasn't dry on our Constitution before the system was being abused and corrupted. We haven't even lasted three centuries, and in a true sense haven't even had a given culture or way of live last more than a couple of decades. I know the whole egalitarian thing sounds really good...but it only works with informed, rational human beings acting together for the greater good, not a bunch of ignorant (and glorying in it), rude (and glorying in it), self-involved (I think you get my point) sociopaths who have been explicitly trained to NOT cooperate, NOT think in terms of the greater good, and NOT be rational.
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Neal Jansons
Author and Poet
01:28 AM on 07/11/2012
1. Criticizing people for being old, then following it up with a reference to "video stores", doesn't exactly help your case.

2. I would give anything for a monarch right now. There is at least a chance for a good person actually making good changes then...all we've got with this system is layers and layers of mistakes and attempts to fix those mistakes that got cut off because we just needed to have another election. Having a whole bunch of people whose jobs are to legislate forever and ever means that there will never, and can never, come a time when we have enough laws.

Think about it...in theory, there has to be a finite number of things that need to be illegal or regulated; but with a "legislative branch" that just keeps going on, forever and ever, they can't stop making laws...which is one of the reasons we have ended up with a huge set of sometimes contradictory and unnecessarily complicated laws where almost anyone can be arrested on violation of some law or another. Now, who does that ability serve...the public, or the politicians who want leverage over the public? What possible sense does it make to just keep making new laws, whether we need them or not, forever? Who does it serve...the American public at large or the political class?
05:20 PM on 07/10/2012
Anyone familiar with the problems of appearing in a controversial case before a judge who has to run for reelection understands why the framers of the Constitution decided that all Article III judges, not just the Justices of the Supreme Court, should have lifetime tenure.

However, since the Constitution was written the average life span has significantly increased. As a result, Justices are staying on the Court longer. For example, from the time the Court was first created until 1970, the average tenure of a Supreme Court Justice who retired or died in office was just under 15 years. For those leaving the Court after 1970, it has jumped to more than 25 years.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
08:59 PM on 07/10/2012
The founders could have solved the same problem by giving justices fixed terms that aren't necessarily lifetime. They could have, say, a 15 year term, and still be appointed (not elected). I'm sure if the founders knew that justices would entrench themselves and engage in partisan politics and/or lend their good names and that of their court to further the coup of 2000....the founders would have figured out some other way than lifetime appointments.
04:50 PM on 07/10/2012
It is the job of Congress, not the courts, to enact laws that embody "the right thing to do for the American people."

Judges, on the other hand, including Justices of the Supreme Court, are supposed to decide cases based on the law.
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mybluesmoke
A scurvy elephant!
06:31 PM on 07/10/2012
Considering this court has been very "activist", it seems term limits should most certainly be a serious discussion.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
09:02 PM on 07/10/2012
That is all very fine. However, John Roberts didn't decide "based on the law" he decided based on some metric that was supposed to regain the legitimacy that the supreme court lost when it voted to coup in a president in 2000 or when it voted to change the election laws in order to give their party a horrendous advantage. Roberts isn't concerned about the law OR what is good for America and her citizens. John Roberts is concerned about his personal legacy.
MrStat1
I believe in the rule of law
03:37 PM on 07/10/2012
The political realites are this; the odds of having enough states call a constitutional convention are slim to none. The odds of Congress enacting term limits on their own are none.

How do expect to legally achieve this?
fo3angels
Equality is only equality if it is for all
05:15 PM on 07/10/2012
Actually, you would still need the states to get on board, as it would require a constitutional amendment.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
09:03 PM on 07/10/2012
There are about three different routes to a constitutional amendment. Look it up on Wikipedia or something. The info is out there.
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Robert SF
09:32 PM on 07/10/2012
Yabut, that's in theory. I think MrStat is asking what real path is there to that?
03:25 PM on 07/10/2012
I'd rather see term limits for senators
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
09:04 PM on 07/10/2012
I would rather retain my constitutional right to vote for whomever I choose. If you try to put a limit on my ability to elect whomever I choose you are going against the constitution I swore to uphold.
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Robert SF
09:37 PM on 07/10/2012
We have all lost that some time ago. Of course, we can vote for whomever we choose, but as far as the electable choices go, they're made for us. This is because you can get on a national or state ballot only with corporate donations, and corporations won't donate to candidates unfriendly to their interests. So, by deciding who gets the money, corporations decide who gets as far as the ballot.

We criticize Iran's democracy because they have a religious body that reviews and vettes political candidates before they can run for office. But we basically have the same thing, except it's a financial body.
11:23 AM on 07/11/2012
Agree. That said, the 22nd Amendment should be repealed.
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Mike LaMarr
02:30 PM on 07/10/2012
As bad as the current system may be, at least there is some consistently in that their rulings stay in effect for a long time without being overturned. As opposed to the executive and legislative branches where every new election cycle seems to lead to nothng but overturning the previous office holders laws
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
09:06 PM on 07/10/2012
Well, sort of. This current crop of judicial activists known as The Roberts Court have already overturned 150 years of election law and every other precedent that stood in the way of them fixing the rules to ensure their party's victory for the forseeable future.
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Mike LaMarr
10:14 AM on 07/11/2012
yeah, I know. Still better than the alternative.........barely
01:32 PM on 07/10/2012
I have to respectfully disagree. As much as I dislike the current court, if term limits were imposed, precedence would no longer exist as we know it. Imagine how chaotic it would be to constantly have an ideological bias reinterpreting law every 4 to 6 years. It allows political operatives to bring forward cases to the political Supreme Court. Imagine abortion being ruled upon every time the court is nominated. Legal, not legal, legal, not legal.

I know that the current court has thrown out precedence in the past, but I would not want a justice attempting to rush a ruling before their term expires, conservative or liberal.
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David Fagin
02:41 PM on 07/10/2012
Ultimately there needs to be a larger judicial body that's rotated like overseas.
MrStat1
I believe in the rule of law
03:37 PM on 07/10/2012
That is not how are constitution is set up. It's not going to happen.
04:57 PM on 07/10/2012
In Japan, they do not "rotate" the judges of the Supreme Court of Japan. Instead, each judge is assigned to one of three 5-judge panels, and most cases are assigned to one of those 5-judge panels for decision. However, some cases are deemed to be sufficiently important to be decided by the entire 15-judge court.
fo3angels
Equality is only equality if it is for all
05:19 PM on 07/10/2012
Perhaps a 12 or 15 year term, with only one justice in a given year being up for being replaced? Actually, 15 years would work, with the Chief Justice being the first one out in 15 years, then the longest serving after that in 16, and so on to Justice Kagan in 24 years. That would have each justice serving a term as chief, the most senior being the chief.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
09:10 PM on 07/10/2012
I like your idea. It sounds fair. I wouldn't expect any republicans to sign on though. They don't agree to anything unless there is an explicit guarantee that they'll win.
JNarragansett
Check your premises
01:06 PM on 07/10/2012
It is a scary thought that Roberts had his vote influenced by politics. Your solution is to inject more politics into the court?
fo3angels
Equality is only equality if it is for all
05:20 PM on 07/10/2012
If it was done right, such as 15 year terms, it shouldn't be any more political then than it is now.
jhNY
Mercy.
12:34 PM on 07/10/2012
Let's face it: any idea that requires a constitutional amendment to be realized is non-serious in today's political climate. And very likely, tomorrow's.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
09:11 PM on 07/10/2012
Nah. We just have to unseat all the rascals who are obstructing and preventing our economy from heading off into the future.
jhNY
Mercy.
10:55 AM on 07/11/2012
how's that working for you so far?
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Geauterre
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12:33 PM on 07/10/2012
Spot on.
12:20 PM on 07/10/2012
Term limits for the justices are a bad idea. They are supposed to be above politics and I know a lot of people out there say they are not. They just vote along party lines, but maybe they vote a certain way not because that is the way Democrats or Republicans want them to vote but because the way they interpret the Constitution makes them vote that way. Maybe someday if your eternal life serum is invented we can revisit SC term limits so that they have to retire at age 65 or whatever the standard retirement age is at that time.
If we really want to talk about term limits, why not create a Constitutional Amendment to limit the amount of time our congressmen can be in office? Do they really need to have their jobs for life with periodic reaffirmations that they can stay in office? If the President is limited to eight years (two terms) why not limit congress to 12 years split in any combination between the two houses? Maybe then we will actually see some real change for the better when we get career politicians out of office. Instead of just worrying about campaigning for their next election cycle they can focus on doing their job.
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mybluesmoke
A scurvy elephant!
06:27 PM on 07/10/2012
They are human...they are fallible...they are not above reproach. No human should be appointed to anything for life, except prison, perhaps.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
09:15 PM on 07/10/2012
Don't you DARE restrict my right to choose my own representation. Not unless you want a civil war. We fought you damn conservative Tories once already over your desire to tax us without us having any representation. Supreme court justices are not anyone that regular people get to vote for anyway. Nobody is going to whine if we change the system to be fairer. But I didn't join the Army to protect your constitutional rights just to have you turn around and tell me that I can't choose my own representatives.
05:36 AM on 07/11/2012
You can choose your representation just as you can choose your president. It is just them that would be limited in the amount of time they can spend suckling from the government's tit. Besides your choice is already limited by your representatives. Once they get in power they make rules to make it difficult for anyone to challenge them during their reelection. What do you think campaign finance laws are really about? The only reason some want the SC changed now is because they do not like teh composition of it just like FDR did not like it when parts of hi New Deal were struck down. In 5 or 10 years when power shifts at the Federal level in a direction you do not like and they get to make these decisions you will think it should be a different way. Making the SC Justices have term limits would just make them more political because they would then start to campaign to keep their jobs at the end of their term just like congressmen do.
11:58 AM on 07/10/2012
It sounds like your agenda is to move the Supreme Court further to the Left as we try to move forward as a nation.
jhNY
Mercy.
12:34 PM on 07/10/2012
and what would your agenda be?
02:09 PM on 07/10/2012
Impartial Justices who decide the legality of laws based on their understanding of the constitution as written and amended.
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David Fagin
02:24 PM on 07/10/2012
couldn't hurt.