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The Mormon Candidates of 2012

Posted: 01/31/11 06:15 PM ET

In 2008, I remember hearing about it from one prominent D.C. pollster: The question (or set of questions) asked of voters was something like this: "Given the following choices, who would you be least likely to vote for -- an African American, a Jew, or a Mormon?" The answer was clear: a Mormon.

I couldn't help but wonder why this was the answer. If someone were asked a question like this, what would they be most comfortable saying out loud? Also, what I find so disconcerting is the vast discrepancy between the Mormons I know and the occasionally absurd news stories or a recently canceled HBO television show (Big Love): it is no wonder there appears to be at least some level of consternation about Mormons at-large. After all, media impression has strong power in this nation.

The truth is, however, America may in fact have another JFK moment in 2012. In 1960, JFK famously didn't run for president as a Catholic, but "as the Democratic Party's candidate for president, who happen[ed] also to be a Catholic." [Recall Hillary Clinton, who didn't run because she was a woman, but ran despite being a woman. Of course, there was Barack Obama too, who barely mentioned race at all during his campaign until a pivotal speech in Pennsylvania in March of 2008.]

In the end, however, Hillary is a woman and nearly shattered a glass ceiling by winning more votes than any other woman in primary history. Obama paved the way for future African Americans and broke an unbelievable barrier by becoming the first African American president. And JFK was the first candidate to tear down the religion wall. (Before him, only Protestants had been elected president.)

And keeping religion in mind, my thought as of now is that the Republican candidate in 2012 will be a Mormon. And this candidate will clearly run despite being a Mormon, but will nonetheless still try to make appeals to the religious conservative Christian Republican base.

As a nation, we have looked past race; we came so close to shattering the gender gap (and I hope more than anything that we break it the upcoming years); we also need to continue to look past religion in choosing who we elect.

Read between the lines here, however. This is not a clear prediction or an endorsement for Mitt Romney. He seems like the frontrunner now. But I also see Jon Huntsman entering the fold and being "The Great Surprise of 2012." And let me be clear here too; this is not a prediction or endorsement for Huntsman. The major match-up of this primary, in my opinion, will be a match-up between Romney and Huntsman: two former governors, two Mormons, and two former business executives.

You know what's funny? For years I have been telling people to watch Jon Huntsman as the potential future leader of the Republican Party (long before David Plouffe issued what was seemingly a "warning call" about him).

The other day I went to a law library and found an old article written by a "Hillary Rodham" in the late 1970s. I also found notes on the Internet on how classmates throughout her studies used to talk about her likely political success. When I once did a research project on Bill Clinton, what I found was the same -- his closest childhood friends always knew he would be "move mountains." Some claim they always knew he would be president. For some people, you simply know leadership when you see it. Huntsman has rare talents and abilities that I have recognized for years. If he can win the primary (as he is moderate on some issues, which the conservatives may tear him apart on), then he is likely an incredibly viable candidate against Obama in the general.

But I am a blogger and a moderate Democrat and I issue no endorsements here and no predictions even for one candidate. Just a simple title: "The Mormon Candidates of 2012" -- of which I hope neither of the two aforementioned candidates are actually defined as. So why did I pick this title for my piece? Because in the end, Shakespeare may have written, "love is blind," but despite all that I have written above, he never wrote that politics is.

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In 2008, I remember hearing about it from one prominent D.C. pollster: The question (or set of questions) asked of voters was something like this: "Given the following choices, who would you be least ...
In 2008, I remember hearing about it from one prominent D.C. pollster: The question (or set of questions) asked of voters was something like this: "Given the following choices, who would you be least ...
 
 
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littlebrowngirl
Brevity is the soul of wit - Shakespeare
11:51 PM on 02/18/2011
Mormons have tried to manstream themselves for decades. Now they feel like we will be so distracted by Palin that we will let Romney into the whitehouse. Keep dreaming.
09:22 PM on 02/02/2011
Here's one fact that has been discredited that Native Americans were direct descendants of the "Lamanites" ie they were the lost tribe of Israel - thus justifying why Christ upon his "resurrection" walked to the Americas, thus establishing the LDS. Which the LDS genetic researchers discovered not to be true.

Mormonism at odds with every other branch of Christianity (if you believe in it). Orthodox, Catholics and Prodestants all believe that Christ was resurrected for only 40 days in North Africa and then ascended directly to Heaven. Not saying one believe supersedes the other, but it does to seem to put traditional Christianity at odds with LDS.

Or maybe that blacks in the war of heaven against hell did not pull their weight thus they were slighted with the mark of Cain.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
02:26 AM on 02/05/2011
And now, it seems that the recruiting of converts has shifted more to people of various cultures and countries who think they will become more like White Americans if they join the prosperity cult.
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JayMonaco
02:51 PM on 02/08/2011
Well said.
02:27 PM on 02/25/2011
Or maybe the LDS culture and philosophy enriched people's lives for good.
02:28 PM on 02/25/2011
Fairlds.org

Everything you have claimed is wrong.
04:58 PM on 02/02/2011
Clearly, every voter may cast her ballot for any motive she chooses. If she opposes a candidate for his religion, fine. If she casts her ballot due to the candidate's gender, that is allowed. If the candidate's ethnic background sways her, that is her privilege. Ballots are not disqualified because a nationalized U.S. voter was born in Korea, Iraq or some other nation. Likewise, ballots are not disqualified because the voter is Catholic, or Momon, or Jewish, or Lutheran. The motives of the voter, religious or otherwise, are never declared as a qualification to vote or for the vote to be counted.

If a voter does not want to vote for a Mormon candidate who declares that Jesus Christ is our Savior and Redeemer, that is perfectly OK.
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HerrMonk
Fighter, Trainer, Nat.Sec.Consultant, Libertine
11:49 AM on 02/02/2011
Why do we need to look past religion? It's a lifestyle CHOICE.

If someone chooses to believe in something totally absurd, I'm allowed to hold that against them.
04:31 PM on 02/02/2011
You are absolutely correct. No vote is discounted based on the motives of the voter.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
02:27 AM on 02/05/2011
YUP -- otherwise all the Yes on 8 votes would have been thrown out, because they were made for sinful reasons
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
03:09 AM on 02/02/2011
PERFECT EXAMPLE OF MORMON TWISTED THOUGHT
---- in response to my stating that the evil Prop 8 ads paid for and created by mormons violated
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"

netzach63 replied to me -- "You're just steamed because those uppity Mormons forgot their place - and voted their conscience on a social issue."

OK, there are approximately 8 times as many adult Gays in California as mormons of all ages --
yet you guys cling to the utter crap that you were simply voting your consciences, and we who were oppressed are just spouting sour grapes --

I wonder how many of you were kind of feeling you were voting against peoples rights, but had to do it for the church? I laugh when you find my comparison to "good Germans" in 1935 to be unfair.

YOU CREATE HATE to keep your prosperity scheme going, and you really tune out that you hurt millions of people along the way,

LET ALONE that all those million of dollars could have fed the poor.
07:48 AM on 02/02/2011
The Church spends many, many times its meager contribution to Prop.8 to feed the poor. Each month, on the first Sunday, we fast for two meals - and donate the cost of those two meals to do so. The Church has given billions - with a "B" - to feed them and take care of them when disasters strike. Ours were the first trucks on the scene after Katrina, for example.

As to the contribution of individual members - those were over and above the amounts already given to the Church for the needy.

When there is a ballot measure, one side wins and one side loses. Lives are effected. That's just the way it is, when you live in a place that allows ballot measures. The only way to avoid that - apparently the way you are suggesting we should have followed - is to roll over and play dead.

And I'm still waiting for you to give an example of "bearing false witness" from Yes on 8. I have given a perfect example of bearing false witness from the No on 8 side. It might be a good idea to check your own eyes for a beam, before addressing the mote you perceive in the eyes of others.
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
04:42 PM on 02/02/2011
A-- No one believes the lds church spends more on charity than on self-promotion, huge buildings, and moneymaking investments. If they have convinced you that your money is going to poor folks, OK!
On its own websites, it brags of sending 60 truckloads of goods to Haiti, not the 600 truckloads (or 6000) it could have well afforded.
B-- "when there is a ballot measure" -- YOU GUYS masterminded it, promoted it, paid for and created the TV commericials, brought in the Knights of Columbus, made BYU students man phone banks, etc.
C-- "false witness" -- you guys always want to make us look like we do no research, typical mormon maneuvering. Anyone can look on Youtube and find several commercials LYING THAT LITTLE KIDS WILL BE FORCED TO LEARN ABOUT GAY MARRIAGE IN PRIMARY SCHOOLS --- a horrendously offensive lie.

All this unconscionable mixing was to avoid TEMPTING MORMONS to re-think "sin"

Now you got rid of the Iowa judges --- FOR SHAME!
02:31 PM on 02/25/2011
If Mormons are only 2% of California, how did they make the difference in passing the prop? Are you saying that only 2% of residents voted???
03:41 PM on 02/01/2011
jaymonaco knows what he's talking about. took the words right out of my mouth
03:34 PM on 02/01/2011
maybe if a mormon gets elected then everyone will be able to have sevral wives and more followers of this cult will immerge.
10:00 AM on 02/03/2011
It's been 120 years since Mormon's allowed polygamy, genius. Glad to know the voters in our country get their information from HBO though. In the meantime, just go back to your preacher, blindly put your trust in everything he says, and don't do any of your own research about what we do, preach, or believe. Then go pat yourself on the back for being an enlightened and well-informed American.
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JayMonaco
02:18 PM on 02/01/2011
I'm sorry, but it's just not the same thing. The primary creeds of most religions can be judged to be somewhat crazy, but mormonism is founded upon something we know is a hoax. It's nothing more than a large cult, which, like most cults these days, borrows heavily from Christianity and even calls itself a denomination of Christianity. Despite what they tell you now and in public, polygamy was a central tenet of the belief system of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith. Not only was it allowed, but when it came time for the Celestial Kingdom, if you hadn't had more than one wife, you'd be coming up short. Sorry to throw the facts out there, but it is what it is.

I wouldn't vote for a Scientologist, either, if that makes anyone feel better.

Also, Big Love wasn't "canceled," which is what happens when a network unilaterally decides a show should prematurely end--the creators and HBO decided it would be best if the 5th season was the last. Same as with Six Feet Under, if anyone remembers back that far.
02:21 PM on 02/02/2011
"but mormonism is founded upon something we know is a hoax."

Who is "we"? What is the "something"? And what makes it a "hoax"?

You want to "throw facts", so define them.
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JayMonaco
03:29 PM on 02/04/2011
"We" are the people who think.

"Something" is Joseph Smith and his Golden Plates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_plates#Unsuccessful_retrieval_attempts

The fact that it was completely (and very obviously) made up is what makes it (or anything else) a "hoax."

Are those good definitions?
10:10 AM on 02/03/2011
As we all know (those of us who bother reading the Bible) Abraham, Issac, Jacob, and many others who spoke with Jehovah and were given tremendous blessings from Him and in fact had multiple wives. You ought to ask yourself why that was so. The LDS church is the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, and as such, when it was restored, ancient practices and principles were restored with it. There came a time where it was no longer acceptable, but this happened under the direction of a prophet, not through centuries of cultural persuasion. Mormons have never denied this history, contrary to your lies otherwise - there are literally dozens of books available at the LDS owned Deseret Book that cover every facet of this history and it's context. FYI, no where was it preached that you had to be a polygamist to gain entrance to heaven, but if you can prove otherwise, provide the link to a church leader that said it. Otherwise, stop the lies Jay.
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JayMonaco
03:26 PM on 02/04/2011
I have actually EXTENSIVELY read the Bible--but that doesn't mean that I place stock in what Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob said, either.

I'll cede the point that no one preached you HAD to be a polygamist to go to heaven, but not the point that polygamy wasn't given up so that Utah could obtain statehood. You realy going to deny that? Give me a break.
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omobob
left coast, usa
12:02 PM on 02/01/2011
These would be politicians running for office in Utah. A Mormon will never be President of anything outside of Utah. There is a zero voter base outside of Utah.
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09:25 AM on 02/01/2011
Fineman refers to Huntsman as a Social Conservative??? A Socialist believes in Pro choice, equality, feminism, affirmative action, gun regulations, social help, insurance that covers all, supports welfare programs, seperation of Church and State - no religion in public schools, against the death penalty, regulating markets.---- Conservatives believe in pro life, equality takes back seat, Patriarchal, believes there is reverse racism in affirmative action, no gun regulation, no social help, no separation of church and state, religion in public schools, supports the death penalty, free market. So my question is what does a Social Conservative believe in???
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JayMonaco
02:20 PM on 02/01/2011
Um...being a "social conservative" has nothing to do with socialism. It means that your beliefs are conservative regarding social issues. Like abortion, (lack of) equality, etc.
09:10 AM on 02/01/2011
He may not want to "talk about being a Mormon" but I can guarantee you there are plenty of folks on both sides that won't let him forget it and what that means in political terms.
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blood1
01:35 AM on 02/01/2011
The only real question is will the "religious right" back a Mormon? Most of the Tea Partier's don't apepear to have the same convictions as the religious right. As the issue of religion has never been a big deal by Dems, since JFK, that explains why it has never been such a big issue since them.

Personally, I was raised as a Mormon and would never vote for one. Not because of the reasons some would think. I merely disagreed with the concept that they are business people, who can steal your money M-Sat and then on Sunday, they had the adacity to stand and preach religion to anyone who will listen. That hypocracy struck me at the age of 16, I left and never went back.
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StopCensoringMe
Aghast at the stupidity and bigotry
01:22 AM on 02/01/2011
"Given the following choices, who would you be least likely to vote for -- an African American, a Jew, or a Mormon?" The answer was clear: a Mormon.

I couldn't help but wonder why this was the answer."

Because the majority of Americans are smart enough, albeit just barely, to not trust someone to run the country whose main guiding principles come from a mid-19th century shyster who claimed he found magic golden dinner pates from Dog and could translate them using a magic rock while looking through his hat.
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joeinvt
the human being and fish can coexist
08:54 AM on 02/01/2011
So? Politicians are always talking through their hats.
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Liberalibrarian
Need to know.
11:59 PM on 01/31/2011
Don't kid yourself. The Mormons for the most part do not socialize with non-Mormons. They believe that they are the only ones with the True church and they are the only ones with the latest scoop about Jesus. One cannot attend one of their services without an invite. And while their fundamentalist outcropping of heresies is a thorn in their side much like other religions, theirs is the only one that practices polygamy.

While driving through Utah a few years ago, we stopped at a cafe on the east side of Zion National Park. We ordered lunch and while waiting for our meal, we picked up the pamphlet that was in the napkin holder. Among other dire warnings, it said that the gentiles driving through the park were "cigarette smoking, heroin pushers who prey on young people." I'm not kidding. We bolted our food and left to drive through the magnificent rocks of Zion National Parks alternately laughing and being outraged the whole way through.

Awhile back a couple of the young men wanted to volunteer at the library. They insisted that their name tags say: elder "jim". They came in once to volunteer then disappeared.

That said, given the self-righteous, sanctimonious Xtian Right Wing of any persuasion and their either overt or open desire to change this country into a theocracy, I wouldn't vote for any candidate whose policies adher to the radical religious right.
03:03 PM on 02/02/2011
Anyone can certainly attend an LDS service all on their own, without an invite. Although doing so (at any church for that matter) might make one feel out of place. So bring a friend.
11:53 PM on 01/31/2011
in the Mormon Church (LDS) the highest value....the prime directive...is OBEDIENCE!....and it begins on Sunday when the tithing checks are collected....
MajMike
Retired USAF Major, 100% DAV due to combat wounds
08:21 PM on 02/02/2011
Wrong, belief in the Lord is first, and I point out that the Lord requires obediance in all denominations.