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David Horton

David Horton

Posted: October 2, 2008 03:27 AM

Geology. Palinology.

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Sarah Palin continues to behave like one of those old computer programs which simulated the appearance of being intelligent by partly repeating the question and randomly selecting additional material to apparently "respond" to any question the computer user asked. Wouldn't pass the Turing test, our Sarah, the pre-programming is too transparent for anyone to be misled into thinking there was intelligent life on the other side of the screen.

One notable example is her belief that creationism should be taught in schools:
"Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. "Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both." "My dad did talk a lot about his theories of evolution," she said. "He would show us fossils and say, 'How old do you think these are?' "Asked for her personal views on evolution, Palin said, "I believe we have a creator." In her response of course Palin has simply been programmed by her various pastors, but is also following the Republican Party of Alaska platform which says, in its section on education: "We support giving Creation Science equal representation with other theories of the origin of life. If evolution is taught, it should be presented as only a theory."

Now there has been much outraged reaction to this, but all of it I have seen has been along the lines of the breech of the separation of church and state. I found an odd Palin supporter today, Debi Smith, who in an otherwise refreshing attack on Palin (for example on how she reconciles her religious beliefs with the invasion of Iraq) says "maybe there is such a thing as intelligent design AND evolution. And I might agree (though I haven't given it a ton of deliberation) that both evolution and creation could be taught. Why not? Why can't we show all sides, anyway? What exactly are we afraid of? A r-evolution of learning and ideas? Do we really need to compartmentalize learning, and our youth, by denying them the ability to debate the issue fully and openly (without undo influence or coercion from either camp)? And who knows, maybe by opening it all up, we'd evolve more quickly towards comprehending the grand theory of everything scientists are searching for (and which just might prove the existence of intelligent design and evolution)."

So this is an apparently more thoughtful version of Palin, and an appeal to reason and logic and fairness that has been the modus operandi of those evangelicals wanting to the creationism under the guise of "intelligent design". Who could argue eh? Let the two "theories" contend and let children make up their own minds ("without undo influence or coercion from either camp").

What nonsense, and based on a complete misunderstanding of how science works. Are Debi and Sarah proposing that we teach the geocentric theory of the solar system (or the universe) alongside the heliocentric one ("without undo influence or coercion from either camp")? Do medical students get taught about the humours as well as bacteria and viruses? Is witchcraft back on the agenda (um, well, yes, apparently)? Does spontaneous generation hold its own? Phlogiston? How about teaching psychology students about demonic possession (oh, hang on, Sarah would certainly want that one too)? Do genetic students learn about the role of blood in transmitting inheritance as well as DNA? Is there a place for crystal spheres. the homunculus in the sperm, the constant manufacture of blood by the liver, the inheritance of acquired characteristics, the music of the spheres, unicorns? Does alchemy reappear in the chemistry class? Do Earth, Air, Fire and Water get equal time with the periodic table of elements? Do stones fall at different rates depending on their weight?

And the answer of course, is an emphatic NO. All of these topics (as well as creationism aka "intelligent design") are important in understanding the history of science. And that is all. They are dealt with early in a science course, as a means of understanding how we got from there to here, but the proposition that all of these once held, but now long discarded, beliefs would remain in any scheme of teaching ("without undo influence or coercion from either camp") is laughable. "Intelligent Design" isn't an equally tenable modern theory with evolution, it is the theory that was discarded as the reality of evolution was demonstrated. It is no different to any of the other discarded theories in the other sciences. Old theories don't run in some parallel universe where they remain equally valid, they are replaced, superceded, left behind.

And furthermore, while university students can happily deal with the idea that over the last few hundred years science has developed its understanding, we don't ask school children ("without undo influence or coercion from either camp") to decide for themselves whether alchemy is a valid approach to chemistry, or whether the Earth goes around the sun or vice versa, we simply teach them the facts. And if this is "coercion" from one side then so be it. Reality does have a coercive bias.

So next time you hear this innocent sounding, ever so reasonable, "teach both sides" proposition, whether from the intelligent Debi, or the not so much Sarah (did she really think her father had his own theories of evolution?), ask yourself where you would draw the line. Where would they draw the line? Either kids learn the results of the scientific understanding of the world, or we turn all schools into "madrassas", differing only in the brand of religion with which the students are being indoctrinated. And we head back to medieval times, the monks running the schools, needing a whole new scientific revolution to repeat history, and get us back to where we were before this religious insanity re-emerged in the late twentieth century.

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Sarah Palin continues to behave like one of those old computer programs which simulated the appearance of being intelligent by partly repeating the question and randomly selecting additional material ...
Sarah Palin continues to behave like one of those old computer programs which simulated the appearance of being intelligent by partly repeating the question and randomly selecting additional material ...
 
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- LeftRight I'm a Fan of LeftRight 104 fans permalink
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The point about Intelligent Design and Evolution is that they are NOT mutually exclusive. On the one hand we have a "theory" called ID which states that life was caused and shepherded in a specific pattern by a creator. On the other hand we have a theory which states that life came about, somehow, we don't know how, but then it followed some patterns, which we also don't know how, but that sometimes we would have a mutation which worked better than before, and thus was passed on to future generations......

The fact of the matter is that if you believe in a creator, you may well believe that he used evolution as his way of continuing life.... And that's fine. But ID involves a question never asked in science (why) and it is therefore NOT science!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:02 PM on 10/03/2008
- TedB I'm a Fan of TedB 6 fans permalink
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Don't forget, we should also teach kids about noodles and pirates as well:

"I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence." --Bobby Henderson

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:04 PM on 10/02/2008
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The resolution regarding the "origin of life" shows the depth of ignorance of its sponsors because The Theory of Evolution as put forth in the "Origin of Species" has nothing to do with the origin of life. It is only concerned with the changes that have taken place in life forms after life appeared on earth. Darwin and his successors such as Stephen Jay Gould took great pains to point this out, yet even educated people (e.g., Justice Scalia) often miss this crucial point.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:38 AM on 10/02/2008
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Personally, I don't have a problem with teaching Creationism in school and I am as agnostic as they come..

As long as it's taught in a venue that is appropriate then there is no problem. Say, amongst the SciFi English classes or Historical Myths Thru The Ages or Spiderman, God & Santa Claus. Do They Exist??

Something along those lines....

But to advocate teaching Creationism along side science?? I agree completely with the author. Bad idea...

Michale......

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:47 AM on 10/02/2008
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Dear Dr. Horton,

Thank you, I needed that this morning, sometimes I feel as if I'm in the Twilight-Zone lately. As is usual your essay/post was extreme in its eloquence and quite cogent. Agape.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:35 AM on 10/02/2008
- Aaror I'm a Fan of Aaror 43 fans permalink

The problem is that the folks who want to teach the "theory of creationism," have flunked science by proposing it. What every science class teaches (even as we forget because folks toss the word theory around without adhering to it's scientific meaning), is that a theory is a hypothosis which has been used to reach unverified conclusions, and had those conclusions proven. For example, when Einstein proposed the hypothosis of relativity, we had to watch the planet mercury's appearance from behind the sun, to see if light waves moved. When the planet appeared to be visible, even though it was still behind the sun, it proved that light can be bent my gravety, and therefore that the hypothosis of relativity had met the test to be called a theory.
Evolution is a theory, Creationism is a hypothosis. Anyone who calls Creationism a theory is not fit to teach any science class.
If someone proposes that we teach the theory of Evolution and the hypothosis of Creation, I will listen, and perhaps agree. The contrast between the theory, and it's proofs, with the hypothosis is a good way to teach children about the difference between theories and hypothsis'.
Now if only I had learned to spell in school as well as I learned science...

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:33 AM on 10/02/2008

Creationism is not quite up to the level of hypothesis, at least within common scientific usage, because it cannot be falsified.

Creationism would more properly be called a conjecture. The Christian version has no more or less scientific status than the hundreds, possibly thousands, of alternative creation conjectures proposed by other cultures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:34 AM on 10/02/2008
- Svendem I'm a Fan of Svendem 2 fans permalink

"Hypothesis" and "conjecture" are mainly mathematical terms rather than scientific ones. Or rather: Math has a strict definition and distinction between the two, science in general doesn't.

The falsifiability notion comes from Karl Popper, who AFAIK, didn't draw up any definitions on the terms either. Rather he concentrated mostly on what made a statement "scientific" or not, rather than whether that statement should be called. So, within that framework, Creationism is simply non-scientific.

This kind of scientific nomenclature is extremely inconsistent. E.g. the 'laws' of thermodynamics are extremely solid and they are exact. They are probably the strongest scientific theories in physics. Hooke's 'law' and the Ideal Gas 'law', are both laws that are _never_ exact. They're simple approximations.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:22 AM on 10/02/2008
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