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Our Place in Nature, and Vice Versa

Posted: 09/01/2012 2:20 am

We have long known that bacteria living on and in our bodies outnumber our cells -- which themselves sum up to a number that exceeds any hope of real understanding -- by 20 to one. We are a rounding error in our own skin.

And we have increasing evidence of the profound influence of these intimate neighbors on far more than just digestion. They are increasingly implicated in collaboration with us in almost every aspect of our physiology, exerting particularly noteworthy effects on immune system function and hormonal balance. There is increasing evidence that they may have something to do with the prevalence of obesity, or at least those cases of it associated with particular resistance to weight loss.

We have also long known that the particular cells of the immune system responsible for inflammation in allergy and asthma, called eosinophils, are the cells on which the body calls to fight parasites. Other cells preferentially get the call for dealing with viruses (lymphocytes), or pathogenic bacteria (neutrophils).

And we have long seen a pattern in global epidemiology that hints at something profound about our place in nature, and nature's place in us. By and large, societies that still have parasites to contend with don't have allergies or asthma. Societies, such as ours, burdened by allergy and asthma, have mostly banished our parasites -- such as the various worms that would otherwise take up residence in our gastrointestinal tracts.

All of this is time-honored knowledge. But it is inviting the evolution of new thinking. Maybe parasites aren't all bad.

It may be that the inverse association between parasites and asthma isn't true, true, and unrelated, but actually about cause-and-effect. In the simplest of potential explanations, it may be that when eosinophils are busy doing the job for which they were intended, they don't have the opportunity to loiter in the lungs and cause trouble. It may be that when an immune system has real work to do, it doesn't get all worked up over pollen. Humans cannot be pollinated; pollen is not a genuine threat.

The plot quickly thickens thereafter. If immune system idleness leads to pollen-related mischief, it may underlie far more serious pathologies as well.

Autoimmune diseases are diverse and widespread, and in the aggregate account for a huge portion of the disease burden in modern societies, an enormous toll of misery, astronomical costs, and highly prevalent disability. The category includes conditions ranging from multiple sclerosis, to rheumatoid arthritis, to inflammatory bowel diseases.

What we know of autoimmune diseases, and it's not nearly enough, attributes them to a case of mistaken identity. The fundamental job of the immune system is to defend "us" from "them," "them" being all foreign material in the universe that could attempt to invade our personal space, and would represent a threat were it to do so.

You can well imagine there is no reasonable means to inventory all "foreign material in the universe." So the body has applied the far more manageable approach of simply inventorying itself.

All of our cells bear proteins on their surface, called histocompatibility antigens. That's a long word, but there's an easy way to think of them: initials in your underwear at sleep-away camp. If you go to sleep-away camp (or boarding school, or college), and you wind up in a communal laundry situation, you certainly don't want to memorize what everyone else's underwear looks like. Just mark your own -- and know that everything else is foreign. That's how the immune system works.

But unfortunately, those proteins on our own cells and the proteins on some foreign invaders can look an awful lot alike -- just as someone else can have the same initials as you. When the immune system is provoked to respond to the one, it may mistakenly go after the other. And so it may be that an invader of some kind that really isn't very dangerous comes, and goes -- and leaves the immune system bogged down in a case of mistaken identity, chronically attacking some part of our own body it now misreads as foreign.

While I am not an immunologist, I do deal with autoimmune conditions in my patients enough to have devoted considerable thought to the vexing problem they pose. My musings on the topic have run to "recognition enhancement vaccines," essentially a form of immunization we could use to help the immune system distinguish more faithfully between native and foreign.

Such an approach is used in computer systems to identify fingerprints, for instance. If two prints that look alike are not reliably differentiated by the software, a higher-powered image of an area of noteworthy distinction is fed into the computer -- which then reliably tells the two apart. Such an approach does not yet exist for autoimmunity in us, but I believe it could.

But much creative thinking is now devoted to another approach altogether: getting down and dirty with nature.

There is very little inflammatory bowel disease in parts of the world where bowels accommodate helminths. Or in plain English: worms.

There are now some studies indicating a potential therapeutic benefit of introducing such parasites as a treatment for inflammatory bowel disease. Other studies suggest comparable benefit for diverse autoimmune diseases, such as MS, having nothing obviously to do with the bowel. And since inflammation underlies the most prevalent chronic diseases of all -- heart disease, cancer, and diabetes -- a potential link there, too, is well within the bounds of current thinking.

The mechanisms of such benefit remain a topic of conjecture. Parasites influence the regulation and responses of the immune system, may alter the integrity of the gut lining, and may simply occupy immune cells otherwise at liberty to cause trouble. It's all a work in progress, as are the relevant therapeutic options.

For now, the use of probiotic bacteria in capsule form as a therapeutic modality for such conditions as irritable bowel syndrome is increasingly routine. We make extensive use of probiotics and related products in my clinic.

The use of therapeutic parasites is not yet routine, or even routinely accessible -- but movement in that direction no longer looks implausible. We have much yet to learn about the optimal balance between distancing ourselves from the dangers of predation by such means as antibiotics and hygiene, and accommodating the ecological equilibrium of which we are an indelible part, and to which we are adapted.

On the topic of antibiotics and indelible linkages, there is a fascinating addendum to this column courtesy of Italian sausage. A recent study indicates that antibiotics used routinely in livestock leave residues in the meats from which sausages are made, that in turn kill bacteria used intentionally in the making of sausage, and responsible for a fermentation process that in turn kills other bacteria, such as E. coli and salmonella, which can otherwise hurt or even kill us. The law of unintended consequences may never have been more dramatically ratified.

I have made the case recently that religion and science need not be at odds, and that there are consequences when we act otherwise. Science makes a compelling case for our place in nature, and nature's place in us. So, too, does religion -- which attributes all creation to divine providence. Whichever view you favor, there seems abundant cause to respect the intricate web of life of which we are but one strand.

We are clearly deceiving ourselves to think we can untangle that web haphazardly, and not suffer consequences.

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We have long known that bacteria living on and in our bodies outnumber our cells -- which themselves sum up to a number that exceeds any hope of real understanding -- by 20 to one. We are a rounding ...
We have long known that bacteria living on and in our bodies outnumber our cells -- which themselves sum up to a number that exceeds any hope of real understanding -- by 20 to one. We are a rounding ...
 
 
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09:47 PM on 09/04/2012
Religion is the antithesis of science. But it takes a hell of a shock to the system for that realization to occur. Science reveals that you don't exist, so why bother exerting effort to save your soul?
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Bill Lagakos
01:01 AM on 09/03/2012
My goal is for “bifidobacteria” to become as well-known as vitamin C.
03:34 AM on 09/03/2012
That's a pretty good goal in life, considering that ingesting either in large quantities has no measurable positive effect. Having said that, snake oil is a multi-billion dollar industry and it has many names.

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12:22 AM on 09/03/2012
in regard of the" italian sausage" (the dry fermented salami kind) This occurence of antibiotic interfering with the effectiveness of lactobacilli is not as prevalent in Europe which has more stringent rule when it come to antibiotics in animal feed .one way to deal with this is by applying a validated heat treatment equivalent to at least a 5-log inactivation .This probably solve the problem for E coli 0157:H7 . As for salmonella which is much more resistant to dry heat than fermentation, in those case for non heated meat , high salt level , nitrate/ nitrite should be used along with proper sanitation
03:36 AM on 09/03/2012
In other words... well made salami is perfectly safe? How surprising is that?

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01:03 PM on 09/02/2012
Dr. Katz, I’m not sure what point you are making here, unless it is to follow up on your previous post of science vs. religion which appeared to me a defense of science against some undefined religious fringe. Lest you object, please explain this from above “Whichever view you favor, ….”

Can’t a scientist like me believe that science is not atheistic?

I objected to an assertion on your last blog that climate science is in an advanced state. Your view of an overwhelming consensus in that field is naive. Not all science has developed to the same degree and, as you have documented in your post here, the science in your field still has--and maybe always will have--a ways to go.

I would also opine that not all religions are created equal either.
01:12 AM on 09/02/2012
One can, of course, at least in theory, kill all the bacteria in and on the human body. Except for some unpleasant gastrointestinal effects said human body will be fine. That would, of course, be a completely useless medical experiment and the results short lived, as the human body will be shortly repopulated by microbes once the assault on them is over.

But then... there are any number of people who will buy into this New Age religion of the "life preserving" bacteria. And that helps you to make a lot of money, does it not, Dr. Katz?

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sabelmouse
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06:40 AM on 09/02/2012
do us all a favour and do this experiment on yourself.
03:11 AM on 09/03/2012
I did... I had broad-band antibiotics already. I had the side effects, too. Not too bad. Take it every day over the wrong bacteria.
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David Katz, M.D.
Director, Yale Prevention Research Center; Editor-
11:18 AM on 09/02/2012
No, we have no means of killing all of the bacteria populating our bodies- without killing the body as well. The results, while speculative, would certainly be calamitous.

And no- I do not make any money from anything mentioned in this column. My clinic does not sell any supplements, specifically to avoid a profit incentive in doing so. We use probiotics because they are useful- but whether patients take them or not has no financial impact. And my practice is academic- not fee for service.

You apparently have an axe to grind- but will need to look elsewhere for a suitable stone.
03:19 AM on 09/03/2012
"No, we have no means of killing all of the bacteria populating our bodies- without killing the body as well."

Please cite the necessary scientific studies. Thank you.

"The results, while speculative, would certainly be calamitous."

Please cite the necessary scientific studies. Thank you.

"And no- I do not make any money"

No book sales? Really? You don't charge for speaking engagements? Really? Is that why you enjoy a professional agency to manage those for you? Wow. I am impressed. All for the good of mankind. Right.

I don't have an axe to grind. But I am not a fool, either. And I do accept scientific evidence. Please show me the research that supports your claim that there are bacteria inside the human body without which we can not live. And please tell us why none of the substances used in medicine have ever killed those life-preserving bacteria?

Thank you for your intellectual honesty in this matter.
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11:29 PM on 09/01/2012
Before there were video games and computers, kids use to be outside playing, all the time and no one worried about bacteria, germs or diseases. If we did, all of us who played outside, would be dead by now. Most kids now don't even go outside to play, so if they're getting sick from bacteria, germs or diseases, it's from spending too much time indoors, on video games and computers.
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06:03 AM on 09/02/2012
Agreed. I used to make "cupcakes" with mud from our dirt driveway and eat them. In fact, I'd eat almost anything I found in my many hours playing outdoors (not sure why I was always so hungry!) My mother didn't mind, she said it would make my body stronger. Never used anti-bacterial soaps and cleaners, yet managed to stay quite healthy my entire life.
04:38 PM on 09/01/2012
"Maybe parasites aren't all bad."

I liked this article a lot.

Mutualism or symbiotism is sometimes called "reciprocal parasitism".

From my perspective, almost every living thing has parasitic qualities, including humans. We still have a very deeply ingrained moralism about parasites that pervades political discourse (to our detriment).

Carl Zimmer's book "Parasite Rex" and Lewis Thomas' "Lives of a Cell" are two of my inspirations.
02:34 PM on 09/01/2012
"Maybe parasites aren't all bad."

I'm certain of it.

Check out Carl Zimmer's excellent book "Parasite Rex".

I recently ran across the idea that "mutualism is actually reciprocal parasitism". From that perspective almost all species (including humans) can be considered parasites. A bacteria that lives miles underground without any neighbors may be the one known exception (Candidatus Desulforudis audaxviator).

I believe that there's benefits to overcoming moralism about parasites and parasitism.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
02:12 PM on 09/01/2012
Bacteria and cells are about the same size and have the same density.
Bacteria on and in our bodies outnumber our cells.... ?
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David Katz, M.D.
Director, Yale Prevention Research Center; Editor-
10:49 PM on 09/01/2012
Our average size cells are considerably more than an order of magnitude larger than the average bacterium. This information is readily available on-line, and in relevant textbooks. But in addition, medical training involves looking through microscopes at both in the same frame- so I have observed the difference directly on many occasions.
05:57 AM on 09/02/2012
Yes, and those textbooks also indicate that most of these bacteria are in the gut, where many of them get killed off by a broad-spectrum antibiotic. That, for one, has next to no effect on the mass of the human body, which means that the total number happens to be next to insignificant. What counts is the biological function of these bacteria... which is not measured by counting.

Now, since broad-band antibiotics do not happen to kill people, the bacteria we lose during these medical treatements are simply not that important.

And that pretty much closes the case on this little charade.
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01:38 PM on 09/01/2012
Some horse owners have stopped regular deworming because of the rise in incidence of colic. Also, there is a some evidence that dogs need to consume raw meat and bone, complete with bacteria, in order to produce certain enzymes. This may help explain the increased incidence in dogs of skin problems, stomach problems, etc.

My grandmother believed in allowing children to eat dirt if they wanted it.... "Dirt's good for them," she'd say. I suspect those old wives' tales were right... a kid eating dirt from their own environment is a kid being exposed to what's in the environment... and a developing immune system learning what's normal in that place.
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08:07 PM on 09/01/2012
Unfortunately, "dirt" is now full of all sorts of things (put there by us) that not only dont belong in dirt, even less belong inside us.
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11:39 PM on 09/01/2012
Sad but true.
12:49 AM on 09/02/2012
Most of what is in dirt NEVER belonged inside us. That's why we have a very sophisicated organ called skin to keep it out. And, oh, yeah, there was a good reason why your mom told you to wash those vegetables and fruits...

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Dan Crabtree
02:09 AM on 09/01/2012
howard hughes knew what was on his body. so he sat naked untill last breath..