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Big Apple Bans Big Soda: Big Deal?

Posted: 09/14/2012 8:00 pm

Now that the New York City Board of Health has ratified Mayor Bloomberg's plan to ban sugar-sweetened beverages (well, some such beverages, really) larger than 16 ounces, we should be able to answer the question: Is this a big deal?

Honestly, no one knows.

Staunch advocates of the ban are certainly correct that something more needs to be done about epidemic obesity -- its toll is unsustainable, whether the currency is human cost or dollar cost.

And they are also correct that this ruling hardly tramples on any inalienable rights. In the annals of human oppression, the need to buy two sodas rather than one if you simply must have 32 ounces of sugary liquid to wash down your burger and fries -- let's face it -- doesn't even register.

But what we don't know is whether or not this will advance the cause. If, in fact, people simply do buy two 16-oz. sodas routinely, the ban will accomplish nothing. If people drink the same total volume of soda, but spread out over the course of the day -- the ban will accomplish nothing. If people buy larger sodas at the many New York City venues where the ban does not apply -- the ban will accomplish nothing. If people replace the calories and sugar with other sources, the ban will accomplish nothing.

And if people switch from slightly larger but less sugary drinks, now banned, to slightly smaller but more sugary drinks, the ban will have unintended consequences.

There is also the risk of -- to put it very bluntly -- pissing people off. I don't mean the people working for the American Beverage Association, whatever made-up organization they are disguising themselves with during any given week. And I don't mean those who think the existence of the Environmental Protection Agency is an assault on civil liberties and testimony to a nanny state. In my opinion, people who go that far are either ninnies -- or have something to sell.

No, I mean it may piss off perfectly reasonable people who legitimately see in this a slippery-slope concern. Why just the size of soft drinks, and not the size of the burger, and the fries, and then the whole lunch? And then why not breakfast, and dinner? And then...

This concern may not be valid, but it's hard to tell. I certainly know Mayor Bloomberg's intentions are pure, but the whole point about the lid on Pandora's box is you don't get to pick and choose what comes flying out. If public health turns the formerly ambivalent into a riled-up opposition, we could go backward rather than forward. Will that happen?

No one knows.

Here are a few things we do know. Gertrude Stein famously told us that a difference, to be a difference, must make a difference. Now that the ban is policy, the only meaningful verdict can come from data. We need to pass judgment on the effects it has.

Martin Luther King wisely pointed out that our means should be as pure as our intended ends. So even if the ban has favorable effects, it doesn't reliably tell us these were the best or only means to such ends. But in the absence of intended ends, means mean nothing.

If the ends are as intended, it will lend support to the "we needed to do something" argument. With that established, and "do nothing" eliminated as an option, it will still allow for a consideration of what means to such ends are best.

That quest for ends must be conducted carefully, however. We also know -- or should -- that no one thing we do will "fix" epidemic obesity. So we need to look at reasonable outcomes, and not expect this one policy to get us all the way to the prize any more than we can expect a single sandbag to do the job of a whole levee. If the ban reduces sugar and calorie intake even a little, it will have made a difference that matters.

Passions -- some genuine, and some doubtless merely bought and paid for -- run high on both sides of this debate. But the soda ban is a done deal. To determine if it's a big deal, and a good deal, we need data. To reach a verdict in the court of public opinion, we the jury should wait for effects, stifle our passions -- and let epidemiology trump ideology.

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Now that the New York City Board of Health has ratified Mayor Bloomberg's plan to ban sugar-sweetened beverages (well, some such beverages, really) larger than 16 ounces, we should be able to answer t...
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09:41 PM on 09/19/2012
I'll be interested in watching how the NY peeps adjust. I'm not a soda or sugar drinker so I am biased. I love my coffee but hold the sugar. I do wish our American culture favored healthier foods.
I-US
Beware the monsters lurking in word swamps.
04:26 PM on 09/19/2012
The argument that the government is taking away an individual's rights by regulating cup size is absurd. One can still drink soda; one just can't buy a 32-oz. cup of it at certain places.
09:27 AM on 09/19/2012
Okay, Dr. Katz: how about people like me who buy the big drink to take back to work and drink from the rest of the day? Or share with friends at the restaurant - perfectly legal. Beats the $2 vending machine price. I guess now I will buy a 2 liter at the store for $1 and go that route. One way around the law is for the fast food places to allow people to bring in their own cup and have a set pric for fillup - any size. Many of the doughnut shops and convenience stores already do that. Of course, I guess doughnuts are on the outlaw list too. Why is nothing said about the huge milkshakes that have more sugar, or the gallon size beer mugs in restaurants? It seems to me that the mayor is picking on fast food places and the people who go there: middle income families who do not have the money to eat at fancy restaurants!
03:55 PM on 09/18/2012
This is as ridiculous as any other law or regulation trying to MAKE people do the "right thing" or make the "right choice".

The proper way to do this is to make sure that the calorie count, and other nutrition information is posted clearly on the soda machine / menu and if necessary a conversion to how many pounds of body weight this equals. (i.e. 840 calories ~ 1/4 pound of body weight) Not just on some sign around the corner on the way to the bathroom, put it right in your face. Leave the detail sign in the hallway, too.

Make regular restaurants put the calorie count right under the menu entry. I have seen this at a couple of places, and been surprised at how high some of my favorites have been. But it gives me the information I can use to make an informed decision - to be sensible, or to splurge - but to know how much I am splurging.
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teebeebad633
11:33 PM on 09/17/2012
Who cares, just buy two.......................
08:56 PM on 09/17/2012
In part this is about Fairness. If some want to guzzle soda till their hearts content then fine, that's their right. What's not fair is when people carelessly add pounds. Granted this is their right, however the health risks associated with the resulting obesity impacts you, your children, your friends, everyone.
11:41 PM on 09/17/2012
Would you have different rules for skinny people vs. heavy people?
05:41 AM on 09/18/2012
Not the point. A person that makes himself overweight by "super-sizing" his meals and drinks becomes prone to heart disease, and diabetes. The cost of his healthcare or lack of, is transferred to all who pay into healthcare. It's not fair to us and not fair to your family.If you drink soda are making the choice to be fat .
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plantbasedpunk
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05:14 PM on 09/17/2012
My estimate is that most people will be satisfied with just one small soda rather than buy 2 or more. 24oz is about the average Medium soda at fast food restaurants, right? People are drinking it because it's the size that's offered, not that they have to have exactly 24oz of soda.
11:42 PM on 09/17/2012
Lattes have more calories than soda. Should we control them? How about pizza?
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plantbasedpunk
live from the PHX
11:37 AM on 09/18/2012
Nothing is being controlled. You can still drink a bucket of Coke if you so choose.
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PumpkinGirl
Karma WILL get you, make no mistake about it!
03:52 PM on 09/17/2012
You can not legislate healthy-ness. Furthermore, If I want to drink soda, I will and if I don't get enough with just one drink, I will buy another - thereby defeating the ban on larger drinks. PEPSI rules!!!
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jannas2cents
03:48 PM on 09/17/2012
There is nothing about sodas that is healthy, so legally reducing the size of sodas helps a little. I just don't drink sodas period. If you read the label on a can or bottle of soda, see if you recognize any of the chemicals used to make the soda. Do you really want to pour those chemicals into your body? Do we know if they all "wash out" through normal elimination --or do some of the chemicals stay lodged in our internal organs? It's a bit frightening that so many children drink sodas with lunch and dinner every day and orange juice with breakfast, so they don't get enough milk (unless they have a lactose intolerance). All that sugar in the sodas kids drink does lead to childhood diabetes and causes cavities, so I'm opposed to kids drinking sodas.
12:33 PM on 09/17/2012
I'm not even from NYC
leave my co-cola and sweet tea alone.
MAYOR BLOOMBUT
What about those oversize pastrami sandwiches?
HELLOOOOO!
fat amd cholestrol and sodium are even worse.
02:01 PM on 09/17/2012
Food always takes longer to hit the blood stream. There is a much more direct cause and effect with sugar drinks and diseases like obesity and type 2 diabetes. I don't think it will work, but throwing pastrami under the bus isn't going to save soda.
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PumpkinGirl
Karma WILL get you, make no mistake about it!
03:54 PM on 09/17/2012
You know what I say?? Eat healthy, stay fit, die anyway!!
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pixiepotpie
If you can buy an election, you can pay more taxes
12:10 PM on 09/17/2012
The only real beneficiaries from this ban are business who sell sodas & it's a Monetary one, not a Healthy one. That said, if the Mayor really cared so much about unhealthy drinks, how about a ban on doubles in bars? Or Giant cups of beer at sporting events? Yeah, good luck with that. Let's attack sugar water instead. Makes perfect sense.
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farmilyman
everything is illusion
03:25 AM on 09/17/2012
If you put soda in your body you are poisoning yourself.
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10:02 AM on 09/17/2012
No kidding. The issue is not about the soda but rather overreaching government control...
09:07 PM on 09/17/2012
No. It's about responsibility. People can't ruin their health in private anymore. Obesity is a drain on the health care system which is shared by all. Obesity is a sign that some people have great difficulty governing their own lives.
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farmilyman
everything is illusion
06:29 AM on 09/20/2012
You mean like forced ultrasounds?
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naomizane
02:16 AM on 09/17/2012
This is the stupidest thing I've ever witnessed....With all that's going wrong in our world ,a Big Gulp is an issue?? This is going to make the top ten stupidest things to happen in 2012...
DollyDrake BYN
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12:13 AM on 09/17/2012
I drink way too much water....and I do mean way too much. My blood tests are ok but everyone comments about how much water I drink. I might add that my house water is natural spring water, gravity fed and straight out of the earth. Having said all of that, when is the Gov't going to come in and tell me I'm ruining my health, not paying my fair share for water and start controlling my water intake? It's the same thing as getting involved in soda, juice or any other beverage consumption.
02:02 PM on 09/17/2012
That's stupid. There is no way to drink too much water. If other people are commenting, that's like an obese person telling a healthy person they are too thin.
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teebeebad633
11:36 PM on 09/17/2012
you can drink too much water, look it up!
03:19 AM on 09/20/2012
Not to interfere, but you most certainly can drink too much water, though I think the author of the previous post was actually trying to make a satirical point.
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10:07 PM on 09/16/2012
There is no such thing as "healthy soda habits". Soda, like all other junk is not food. Sure, it tastes good. And, like all junk, looks a lot like what we call food, but it is not food.

Health comes from living fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds and legumes. UNPROCESSED.

There is no more such a thing as a "healthy soda habit" than there is a "healthy tobacco habit" or "healthy meth habit".
11:09 AM on 09/20/2012
I did get a good chuckle out of that title.