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David M. Abromowitz

David M. Abromowitz

Posted: October 25, 2008 02:07 PM

The Plumber Can't Fix the Leaks


If Joe the Plumber can't save the leaking McCain-Palin campaign from sinking, he may also take to the bottom the appeal of trickle down politics.

Senator McCain and Governor Palin are out on the campaign trail holding up a caricature--Joe the Slogan--as a great American. Instead, they should be calling him the worst kind of shirker, someone so un-American maybe Congresswoman Bachmann should be investigating him.
A truly straight-talking, put-country-first John McCain would have said to Samuel J. Wurzelbacher a/k/a Joe the Plumber something like this:


"Young man, every generation of Americans faces a challenge. When that challenge arrives, some serve, and some look out for themselves. Service comes in many forms -- not just by joining the military, or by working in a factory, but also by offering America whatever is needed, whatever serves the common cause.

In World War II, high income earners paid high tax rates. Americans saved materials, everyone had ration cards, recycled essential materials, and pitched in. Families rich and poor sent their sons and daughters off to war.

From Korea through Vietnam, America's elites not only paid high taxes, their children again served their country. In the all-male Princeton University class of 1956, 450 out of 750 graduating seniors went into military service during a period of the draft. At Princeton today, only 9 students out of 1,108 Class of 2006 graduates joined the military.

So Joe, here we are in 2008. America is fighting in 2 countries. Unemployment is up, and we are facing the worst national economic situation since the great Depression.

Look, Joe, we've lived beyond our means, run up enormous debt, and are challenged globally by terrorism and economic threats. Hundreds of millions of American families are totally strapped, earning under $60,000 per year, and can't afford another dime. So I am just asking you to pay the same tax rate that every other American earning $250,000 and up paid on January 20, 2001 -- the day George W. Bush took office. Joe, can you help us?"

But, of course, that's not even close to what you are hearing. In the McCain-Palin mythology, Joe is a "small business owner" who will create jobs if only he can take home earnings over $250,000 without paying higher taxes. (Forget the real Joe, who apparently would earn only maybe $50,000 in taxable income after expenses.) In dollar terms, when Joe's income goes up from $250,000 to $350,000, the Obama plan asks him to pay an extra $3500 in taxes by letting the Bush tax cuts simply expire. Exactly what hundreds of thousands of small business owners and others top earners paid under Clinton during the 1990s, a time of enormous economic growth.

Joe the Slogan sees that under Obama's tax plan, he might have to pay a little bit higher taxes, decides he won't bother buying the business, and supposedly jobs are lost. This is what a candidate for President holds up as a hero?

America provides Joe every platform for success --- a great educational system, a stable economic environment, good roads, robust markets, a respected legal system for collecting debts, and a thousand other benefits that Joe would not trade in a heartbeat for a plumbing business anywhere else in the world. Bless our country, a guy like Joe can aspire to buy a business and get rich.

McCain-Palin are clinging to one last appeal to trickle down messages that have worked in the past: Cut taxes for the top, or you won't have a job. Every time they praise Joe, they tell Americans: When you achieve success, your attitude should be - I don't give a hoot about the rest of you, I've got mine. Is that honor? Is that country first? Is that thanking God for the blessings of being born in the USA?

It is looking like not even Joe can save John and Sarah. If that happens, maybe we will stop hearing the trickle down mantra intoned so loudly by conservative candidates. And at least we will stop hearing candidates talking any more about Joe, "a real American." Real Americans are in it together. But not Joe the Slogan. He's a slacker.


David M. Abromowitz is a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress, www.americanprogress.org, and a partner in the law firm Goulston & Storrs, www.goulstonstorrs.com.


If Joe the Plumber can't save the leaking McCain-Palin campaign from sinking, he may also take to the bottom the appeal of trickle down politics. Senator McCain and Governor Palin are out on the cam...
If Joe the Plumber can't save the leaking McCain-Palin campaign from sinking, he may also take to the bottom the appeal of trickle down politics. Senator McCain and Governor Palin are out on the cam...
 
 
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07:02 PM on 10/27/2008
Do you really buy the idea that 95% will get an INCOME tax break?

1. 40% don't pay income taxes, which will increase to 45-50%. Like Obama, we're only talking about INCOME TAXES.

2. Those who will be hit the hardest will flee to tax havens like tax free bonds or other countries. So you can bet that the $250K will be lowered considerably. That's a big reason for the stock market sell off right now.

3. Obama's plan will increase the amount of FICA taxes on those making over $95K. For nearly all it will offset the income tax cut and for most it will be a net loss.

4. Obama's plan will also raise taxes on gasoline, natural gas, electricity and home heating oil which will offset nearly all those remaining income tax payers and be an increase for most.

5. Obama's tax plan to raise taxes on business's will be passed on to the consumers and will be a net increase on the standard of living for all working Americans.

6. The only one's who MIGHT see a benefit will be those American's on welfare.

7. Obama's bill, the $845 Billion a year Global Poverty Act passed in the Senate in 2008 will insure that the rest of the world's poor will benefit.
08:06 AM on 10/28/2008
Huh?

But please, I hope they go. I already know that Great Britain, Sweden, France and Canada have no rich people. All gone. All the rich fled to lawless countries to protect their riches as fast as possible due to the government structure and high taxation in those countries. Yes, I know Vogue once in awhile interviews some British superrich or some French superrich, but please, we all know that's a lie. No self-respecting rich person would stay in those socialist countries!
11:10 AM on 10/28/2008
radnip,

Your socialist/Marxist education has taught you nothing about free enterprise. I didn't say they personally would flee the country, I was refering to their money and investments. Those super rich people living in socialist countries have their money invested in the US markets. Why else are American markets by far the largest?

If you hate rich people so much, why don’t you go live in a socialist country and let us capitalists continue living in the most successful economy in the world. I’ll pass around the hate for you.

You don't seem to mind the super rich liberals like George Soros, Ted Kenedy, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi and others who have their money tied up in trusts and protected from taxes. They want to deny anyone else the ability to become rich the old fashioned way, by working hard.
06:14 PM on 10/27/2008
This is another attack on Joe. Someone illegally accessed a state computer to find dirt on Joe. It is now being investigated by the state attorney general. This is another example of Saul Lewinski's "Rules for radicals, the ends justifies the means."

I heard a comment here mention Joe is not his real name, that he is not a licensed plumber, and that he is a plant for the McCain campaign. His middle name is Joseph, so going by Joe is suppose to be a lie?

Joe is an apprentice to be a plumber, which is a trade not a profession. Tradesmen like plumbers, electricians, or carpenters go by their trade names unlike professional lawyers, doctors or engineers. I know several engineers who call themselves engineers without being licensed. The allegation that he is a McCain plant is highly unlikely because Obama was in Joe's neighborhood.

Though Joe doesn't make $250K, he aspires to be. He dosen't believe that those making $250K will be taxed higher. The Obama campaign only talks about income taxes. He fails to mention that FICA taxes are will be raised on those making over $95K which will offset the income tax deduction. Then there's the increase in gasoline and energy taxes. By the time you figure all the tax hikes, only those getting a tax break will be those who don't pay INCOME taxes. This is what Joe and other aspiring small business owner’s fear about Barrack the Redistributor.
08:09 AM on 10/28/2008
I agree. When I buy my three-story penthouse condo, I expect to pay the same homeowner's fees that the guy in the downstairs single pays. After all, the common areas are all the same and it's the same building.
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05:06 PM on 10/27/2008
Here's an amazing WWII-era Disney cartoon about the patriotic act of paying your taxes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ69X1qt4sQ

Starring Donald Duck as the worker on payday, Scrooge McDuck as the voice of fiscal responsibility, and a zoot-suited demon duck who tells Donald: "Spend it, bud! After all, it's YOUR dough."

Watch it, and then contrast it with the McCain ad here:

http://osborneink.blogspot.com/2008/10/of-patriots-and-taxes.html
04:23 PM on 10/27/2008
Joe shold vote for Obama now, save money, buy his plumbing business, and then... when he finally makes more than 250k/year, vote for a republican. As he said, he is looking out for all the Joe Plumbers.
12:55 PM on 10/27/2008
The Wealthy feel entitlement to their wealth. However, as John Kenneth Galbreath points out, 90% of all wealth is inherited.
Much like the Feudal aristocrats of The Middle Ages and the Phaoroahs of Ancient Egypt, they believe the serfs deserve their lot.
How Joe the Plumber ever became a symbol for Republican values defies gravity.
Sarah's and Cindy's ward drobe alone cost more than Sam Worzelbacher will make in a liftetime, and yet he believes they are on the road to Washington to "clean it up" and correct all the waste, greed and overspending brought about by the Democrats.
People are losing their homes while the McCains maintain 7-13 expensive ones. And on one of them, like Joe the Plumber, didn't bother to pay property taxes.
Could this be what they mean when they say they will lower your taxes? Advise you not to pay them?
But the Joe the Plumber campaign actually produced modest results among the serfs, who bought into it hook, line and sinker.
08:18 AM on 10/28/2008
Oh my god! Over here, we agree with the Conservatives! The wealthy will end up being wealthy anyways. Meritocracy, the cream will rise, etc.

So we think we have the perfect plan and it might also feed the poor: NO INHERITANCE AT ALL!

Then we will ALL know that the wealthy deserve to be wealthy. They'll have proved it by getting all their wealth back again. So simple and I'm sure ALL the conservatives would agree. And liberals would agree that it's all about hard work and what one deserves. The plan would get 100% of the vote -- after all, what's not to like about working hard, getting what one deserves through hard work, getting paid better for being better?

Me so smart :)
12:26 PM on 10/27/2008
I think the idea of Joe the Plumber came up in a meeting where someone said "John, the campaign is in the toilet - What do we do now?" John M. said "Hire a Plumber"
11:56 AM on 10/27/2008
Poor Joe, asks a question and is vilified in the media for it. Now it's some reporter in Miami for asking Biden about Joe the plumber. Is this the Barack Obama some want to be President, where if you ask the wrong question or if he senses that you are against him he attacks you? Seems O should aim his attacks at his opponents, not the average citizen.
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12:52 PM on 10/27/2008
McCain took advantage of Joe.....not Barak. Look to McCain for your answer, he held him up for prise and got ridicule.
01:28 PM on 10/27/2008
If Joe had been truthful in his question, there wouldn't have been a problem. But instead he misrepresented his position in a (lame) attempt to trip up a political candidate.

He LIED. He doesn't make $250k a year, his employer's business doesn't even make that after expenses are accounted for. They'd all be better off under Obama, but he doesn't see that because he's trapped in the wingnut reality distortion field.

He LIED. He has no real plans to buy the business, and frankly no mission of doing so when he can't even find $1,100 or so to pay off what he owes the state. He might want to get that plumber's license first, as well.

He LIED in his question. Then got found out. Liars deserve to be vilified, whether it's John the candidate or Joe the plumber.

The only thing I can say in Joe's defense is that McCain was the one who thrust him into the limelight without warning. Assuming, of course, that he wasn't some sort of campaign ploy. JMc brought him into the public eye, where he was examined and found wanting. Obama had nothing to do with that.
02:00 PM on 10/27/2008
You believe too much of what you read on this site. You should explore a little more and find the real truth. Think and say what you want about Joe, the fact is , he is just an average citizen like you. The Obama campaign saw him as a threat and came after him with a vengence. If the other candidate came after someone like Joe like Obamas campaign did you'd be squeeling like gored goat about it. Don't you mean John and Barack the candidate?
11:42 AM on 10/27/2008
Why do you people hate the rich?
In the U.S. everybody has a the opportunity, Obama is rich he came from a modest family.
I don't see how it is any more patriotic to pay more taxes to beaucrats who waste so much or give it to some one who did not earn it.
The wars should have been won already and the bulk troops should be home but we have not fought a war to win since WWII we are to worried about hearts and minds. War is a horrible thing but the enemy should be crushed and he's will to fight will be lost.
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12:55 PM on 10/27/2008
It is not hatred for the rich, why would you think so? It is the mindless greed that is repulsive. What is wrong with going back to the 2001 tax system w/o the sugarplums given by Bush? You were still very rich then, weren't you? Did you do without?

Hey Brother, can you spare dime?
leftcoastindy
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04:52 PM on 10/27/2008
Oh Great! Another 'lets bomb Bagdhad and kill ALL the women and children, then the men won't have anything left to fight for' Christian.

Why would you say Obama is rich? Does he make over $250K per year?
06:30 PM on 10/27/2008
According to several websites Obama makes well over a million dollars a year. With this he gave around 1% to charities. This is typical of most liberals. They only want to spend other poeples money to help the poor. Nancy Pelosi's charity contributions consist of the San Fransico Orchastra and art museum. How many poor homeless poeple do you think visit those charities for the rich liberals?
10:53 AM on 10/27/2008
John McCain stands up in front of the American people and laughs at Obama in the fact that he wants to share the wealth ...Is this man serious...with so many people losing homes and wondering where their next meal is coming from and he makes fun of a man who actually wants to help the American people....not the rich ones... John and Cindy and people like them don't have nearly ENOUGH TO SHARE WITH YOU and ME!!!!! wHEN ARE SOME OF YOU GOING TO WAKE UP TO WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY. TWO CLASSES THATS WHAT THEY WANT. Poor people are much easier to control!!!!!
12:35 PM on 10/27/2008
"Distribute the wealth" - this is code to The Rich that they can't continue hoarding the majority of the country's resources at the expense of The Middle Class.
What makes this doubly hypocritical is the distribuition of $3200 per citizen in Alaska from taxes on the oil companies. No other state in the Union has any such distribution.
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10:48 AM on 10/27/2008
Joe would have to work about 60 hours every week and charge about $80 an hour to gross $250,000 a year. Of course he could employ a lot of workers and squeeze the most work for the least pay out of them to pick up the slack. I may be wrong, but Joe doesn't strike me as the type to run a company that size. If he were just starting out, he might grow into it, but most middle aged plumbers who have been working with one or two employees aren't likely to become contracting moguls.
10:42 AM on 10/27/2008
There was a time that a great President said the words; “Ask not what your Country can do for you, ask what you can do for your Country.”

Those words were spoken by JFK on Jan 20th 1961, during his inaugural speech and being made about the cultures around the Globe, and yet, how powerful those words are (and how sad it is) that nearly 50 years later we need those same words to ask the rich to pay a few more taxes….for the good of the Nation.

The whole speech is worth a read, especially during these times.
http://www.famousquotes.me.uk/speeches/John_F_Kennedy/5.htm

If you don’t want to read it; watch or listen to it here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inaugural_address_of_John_F._Kennedy
09:37 AM on 10/27/2008
McCain in his Infinite Business Wisdom, doesn't know the Difference between Gross Sales and Net Profit. "Joe the Plumber's" Business would have to Gross Close to a Million to Net a $250K. Profit.
I guess if a Walmart Store Sells $500 Mil per Year, They Make $500Mil per Year.
10:17 AM on 10/27/2008
Nor the difference between total tax rate and marginal rate. But hey, it only helps the Republicans if the public "don't do nuance", like George Dubya. It's only "elitists" who understand things like that anyway.
06:18 PM on 10/27/2008
Evidently you do not understand the proposed tax increase to Small Businesses as opposed to individual income. Small Business tax index is be based on Gross Reciepts should they be an S-Corp or LLC. and not their net. Therefore, "Joe the Plumber" would pay a 50% tax index on $250,000.00 or above. How would you like to bust your ass 80hrs a week, then have the government come in and disburse those funds too someone else to further their own interests. To Get a Vote. Here's the real deal for the Middle Class (if it still exists) your going to get taxed to death nomatter who gets in. Think Barney Franks.
09:27 AM on 10/27/2008
Mr Ambromowitz is like the adult entering the room and saying "No, children, that is not how it's supposed to be." It is like McCain and Palin live in this parallel universe where there is no use for logic, reason, or wisdom. If they are able to steal yet another election, there will be no adults to supervise their actions. Just like the last eight years.
07:17 AM on 10/27/2008
As A Canadian, I'm very confused with the talk of 'socialiam' during this campaign. Yes, we pay higher taxes than the US. However, these taxes and the Universal Health care it provides us does not limit our personal freedoms or create Big Brother government.. Do Americans consider Canada/Europe to be a socialist countries? Just curious about the US perspective and how socialism came to be such a dirty word.

This was an excellent article - summed up the hypocracy of the GOP in general. Vote, vote, vote. The world is watching and hoping.
07:33 AM on 10/27/2008
Yes, they do. Various socialist comments have said socialist like Britain, or socialist like Sweden. Apparently Europe is bad; America, good. These people don't know why America's so good, but it's the best.
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08:22 AM on 10/27/2008
It bugs me too. I'm an American but have lived in England for most of my adult life. I've lived under the American tax and healthcare system and the British one. I know which one I prefer, and it's most definitely NOT the American version.
Yes, we pay higher taxes but we get so much for it. Yes, there are problems with the National Health Service, but at least we HAVE a system (unlike the US), and all the crap the right spews about having to wait 6 months to see a doctor is just that: crap. If I need to take my kids to the doctor, I can do it the same day or the following day and it doesn't cost anything. Kids under 16 get free prescriptions and the cost of prescriptions for those who do pay is a flat £6.75 (about US$11.00 at the current exchange rate). I can't say enough good things about the NHS, even taking its shortcomings into account.
Also, our higher UK taxes mean that university tuition is a fraction of what it is in the United States. It's £3,000 (less than US$5,000) per year - and that's for ALL universities, even the top ones. I did a degree in the States and another one in England, and my British one gave me a better education but cost far less than my American one.
If this is socialism, then I'm all for it. It's worth paying the extra tax.
06:04 AM on 10/27/2008
Very inciteful article, while this may seem obvious to the well informed, this issue appears to be too complicated for ordinary Americans to understand. It's ingenious how the GOP has convinced low skilled, uneducated, low income Americans that they are somehow being harmed by the top 5% of income earners paying a little more.
07:38 AM on 10/27/2008
Some of them have said that if the rich have more money, they will open more factories (jobs) and therefore hire people. I have yet to see a business expand before demand outstrips their production, but I guess that thought is too advanced for them.

For some reason, trickle-down took hold from Reagn and has been popular ever since. Few remember that most of human history is trickle-down: Chief to followers; king to subjects; lords to peasants. Trickle down = whatever the rich have left or decide to pay trickles down. The middle class rose when the poor rose up against trickle down, but I don't think anyone studies that anymore.
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09:33 AM on 10/27/2008
I'd make a distinction between trickle-down and top-down. The latter is a system of organization: king to peasant, pope to congregant. But even in these relationships Confucius was able to invent civil service circa 500 BC to ensure that talented people were running things instead of cronys, relatives, or other incompetents. (Are you reading this, Brownie?)

Trickle-down is an economic model that assumes that the wealthy can disburse wealth to the peasants. Though in this country with its Calvinist roots, wealth has become a symbol of God's favor, which leads to the acquisition of wealth as personal validation, and stops people disbursing it to the poor. To soothe their consciences, the wealthy developed the notion of "the deserving poor," fabricating myths about the poor "wasting" their charity on drugs or crime or whatever vices could fit into the myth.

Bottom line: most rich people get rich because they're greedy bastards who aren't about to let a penny trickle down out of their grasp. And the rich will pay lawyers thousands of dollars to develop "instruments" to keep from paying any more tax than they have to.

"Trickle-down" as sold to the voters by Reagan, Phil Gramm, Art Laffer and the rest of the neocon crowd probably worked well--in the 18th century when Adam Smith was alive. Not so much these days. We should be able to say so without fear of being called "socialist."
10:14 AM on 10/27/2008
And what good does it do us if all those new factories and joba are in China and Indonesia?