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The Debt Ceiling And The Law Of Karma

Posted: 07/28/11 09:30 AM ET

What is the law of karma?

In Buddhism, the law of karma describes how causes and effects interact in our world. The point of understanding how karma works is to see the nature of things as they are, beyond any kind of delusion or wishful thinking.

What does the law of karma have to do with the current economic crisis? Maybe our national economic policy could use a good healthy dose of seeing "things as they are."

In our individual meditation practice, there is no magic bullet, no fantasy transformation, no gimmicks -- we have to work through our karma, brick by brick -- it is manual labor.

With meditation practice, we can see how our mind works -- what creates positive karma (compassion and wisdom), and what creates negative karma (aggression, attachment and ignorance). That is how we get clarity about how certain causes create certain conditions -- how did we get where we are and what we can do about it.

With the same approach, with real scrutiny, perhaps our current debt ceiling crisis can be seen to be nothing other than our national money karma coming to fruition. There are some basic principles at work here, immune from any kind of fancy talk or manipulation. Certain basic causes and conditions have created the current situation:

1. We have borrowed too much money.

Just as many of us have done as individuals, as a nation we have simply borrowed too much money, and now our creditors are knocking at the door. I don't think you need an advanced degree in economics to figure this out. Sometimes common sense is more valuable than intricate theories. It's time to pay some of this debt down, just as we would (and as some of us have) if this were our individual problem only.

2. We have been too greedy.

As a nation (and many of us as individuals) we have been willing to sacrifice long-term prosperity for short-term gain, over and over again. Many of us are addicted to a hyper-extended materialistic lifestyle (certainly by global standards) and have been willing to go deeply into debt to maintain it. Additionally, a tiny percentage of extremely wealthy people are now in a position to manipulate our entire economy to further their own self-centered, limited agenda, which they are now doing on a global level. Gordon Gekko said "greed is good," but now we will get to see if that will be his "final answer."

3. Our national political arena has become overrun with personalized agendas and bad manners.

We seem to have a chasmic divide amongst our so-called "leadership." Creative friction can sometimes be very effective in flushing out different points of view and perhaps reaching a higher fusion. But we seem to have gone well beyond that kind of creative friction in our national politics to the level of some kind of permanently feuding mentality.

Like the Hatfields and the McCoys, we now see our two "parties" immersed in an ongoing tit for tat, with nobody being very clear about the origin or the point of it all. There seems to be a crescendo of personalized agendas in the public sector. Temporal leaders, just like good spiritual teachers, could be invited to check their ego at the door. Wouldn't that be refreshing?

The solution? We need bigger vision.

Let's think about what would be good for ourselves and others. Are these really two completely different things? Perhaps we bring out the best in each of us and are also happier individuals when we have a feeling of contributing to a common cause beyond self-aggrandizement. If we are arguing about what would be the best outcome for the larger good, that could be a healthy argument to have. If we're going to keep playing the "me, me, me" game, we might be spinning on this particular wheel of karma forever --- like a giant Ferris Wheel with all of us on it.

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What is the law of karma? In Buddhism, the law of karma describes how causes and effects interact in our world. The point of understanding how karma works is to see the nature of things as they are...
What is the law of karma? In Buddhism, the law of karma describes how causes and effects interact in our world. The point of understanding how karma works is to see the nature of things as they are...
 
 
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MajorKarmaUSA
Objective Reality-Reason-Self Interest-Capitalism
10:58 AM on 08/05/2011
Yeah, Major Karma!
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MajorKarmaUSA
Objective Reality-Reason-Self Interest-Capitalism
10:56 AM on 08/05/2011
One thing is for sure, the raising of this Debt Ceiling is NOT just about letting the Federal Government continue to take more of our money they are working on turning us all into endenture slaves and tying their debts around our necks and our chidren's children's childrens necks; It is not just about them wanting miore money but you can bet they are out to futher water down, subvert and undermine our Constitution. The President and all these elected officials have violated their Oaths Of Office..wanna bet?
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MajorKarmaUSA
Objective Reality-Reason-Self Interest-Capitalism
10:50 AM on 08/05/2011
This morning as I drink my coffee before driving 45 miles one-way to my job where I can barely make what I was making when I first came out of college, 30 years ago, I find it amusing how the government and government employees are paid more, have benefits like nothing we in the private sectors can get and on all other counts the Federal Government can waste and spend, waste and spend, get into our lives and ruin it for pretty much everyone and we and our children's children's children will have to pay for it...it is as though we are the ones serving the government and those pulling their strings. Nothing Congress does is going to effect the Super Wealthy, the Corporate 100...a million dollars is really only like making 100K a year now....and all these politicans and beuracrats are there to woo and coo and con us into believing that's rain their throwing on all of us.
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CapableOne
That rug really tied the room together.
03:30 AM on 07/30/2011
David,

This was a very thought-provoking read. I'm glad to know that there are others out there who think of current events on more than a dollars-and-cents level. I'd be interested to know what you (or any of the more knowledgeable followers of Buddhism) think of karma in relation to the priorities of our government. So much of our collective revenue is spent on war machinery, even as cuts are made to things such as health care and education, things which serve humanity, and I can't help but believe this fact has also contributed to our current situation.

I do believe that everything is connected. Not that it makes sense, or is just, but it is all connected.
03:36 PM on 07/29/2011
Nichtern, good article. Karma is the fate of all who try to be god. Karma is not so much a literal cause and effect, e.g., between 'things', as the realization that when man interferes with the world he is compelled to go on interfering, when the problem creates still more problems to be solved, when the control of one thing creates the need to control several others. A man who lays a trap for the world gets caught in it. This 'grasping' is the need to steal life from death, good from evil.
'Rebirth' then becomes a moment-to-moment thing, of not being caught in the grasping going on in society. This is using self-awareness to avoid 'reincarnating' who we were into the next moment. It is to step outside the problem of action in vicious circles--as you outline in your article.
05:54 PM on 07/29/2011
Karma--according to Buddhadharma----IS the literal cause-and-effect of human relations and human circumstances.

When one speaks of "karma" it is usually in one of two settings:

1. The effect that is the result of a particular choice by a person or group of people. I chose to steal, and its karma that I find myself mired in a life of suffering, dishonesty, stress, and embroilment with other criminals and the justice system.

or....

2. The pattern of conditioning (biological, tempermental, experiential) that creates a tendency in a person to behave in a certain fashion...or make certain choices. For example growing up in a dysfunctional family where there is addiction, can create karma such that I am more prone to become an addict...or to seek relationships with addicts or other people with compulsive behavior.

Growing up in a "bad" neighborhood can create karma such that I am more likely to engage in crime, drug abuse, and other forms of anti-social behavior....as well as the karma that follows the decisions to engage in these behaviors. Which is what creates the "cycle" that people speak of as being so difficult to escape.
06:18 PM on 07/29/2011
Kellygreen, :) where ya' been? re 'karma'. It is not a concrete, literal cause and effect because, when nirvana is attained, there is no more karma. Since nirvana is nothing but 'realization' of a non-fact ('me' separate from the world), then karma is part of maya and is not real. Unfortunately it is binding, e.g., as guilt, until I get over being guilty.

Some get stuck and offer the false solution that, because of the above statement, the world isn't solid--it is 'maya'. Nope, 'thing, thing, no barrier'. The world is really real, the maya is the belief that I can act in it as an undetermined agent WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES. Maya is a relativity, things influence other things, mutual co-arising = pratitya. If I eat to keep from dying of hunger, I stay alive to hunger some more. This is the maya-karma problem. Otherwise eating to survive would seemingly bring the punishment, karma, of starvation at a later date ;)
05:48 PM on 08/01/2011
Kg, everybody is always on the road to liberation (‘about to be blest’), and very few (want to) get there because few realize how simple it is, child’s play (p. 102, Watts). With the passage of time, Buddha is reverenced instead of his advice followed—realization is made to seem more difficult than it is. “No one believes it can be reached except by the most gifted…the cure becomes an addiction, the raft (to the ‘other shore’) becomes a houseboat. A way of liberation turns into just another social institution and d*es of RESPECTABILITY.”
It is necessary to realize that there is no contest between ego and experience (grasping), thus one is not held back by wrong deeds. It is only necessary to mend the split and to live out and become one’s hated or dark nature, the Borderline p.d. self that society disapproves of. To be awakened is to merge with the deathless, enlightened mind, which doesn’t judge, and doesn’t put us at war with our ‘bad’ part. The ego is replaced by the ego-Self, while alive.
01:09 PM on 07/29/2011
Karma.

So *that* is what I can blame when I don't properly manage my finances?

Maybe I can blame *karma* for getting a speeding ticket.

Maybe I can blame *karma* for my high blood pressure.

Maybe I can blame *karma* for the bank foreclosing on my house.

If only I knew to blame Karma so many decades ago...
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cigi
03:51 PM on 07/29/2011
You miss the point here....OUR OWN actions determine our Karma...lack of prudence in expenditures; pushin' the pedal to the metal; poor life style; bad financial decisions on a home....living beyond your needs and bowing to wants are all personal decisions with consequences. Everything we do has a cause/effect. Sorry, are WE able to really look in the mirror and take the responsibility for our own life and basically admit when we screw up and avoid the consequences by repeating bad things in our lives over and over again? What goes around, comes around. If you try to do good things in your life, I have found for myself, that less bad comes down on top of my head. So try to avoid lying, cheating, stealing, excesses of any kind, and you know life can be less problematic. Leave a light foot print on the planet and travel your path in peace.
04:34 PM on 07/29/2011
I, uh, didn't miss the point.

I was being sarcastic.

cigi said:

"If you try to do good things in your life, I have found for myself, that less bad comes down on top of my head. So try to avoid lying, cheating, stealing, excesses of any kind, and you know life can be less problemati­c."

Yes, if you don't lie, cheat, and steal, your life will be less problematic. But that's not karma. Liars get caught lying. Cheaters get caught cheating. Thieves (not stealers?) get caught stealing. People don't like being lied to, stolen from, or cheated, so they aren't going to respond kindly when they find what you did. That's just human nature.

If you kick a dog, it's going to bite you. If you don't kick dogs, you are less likely to be bitten by dogs. That's not karma, that's cause and effect.

Like I said, I didn't miss the point.

but thanks for your comment

; )
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C Karen Stopford
10:04 AM on 07/31/2011
Yes you can.
The speeding ticket is the effect, the cause is you were driving above the speed limit. Pure karma.
Your high blood pressure is the effect - the cause may be unhealthy lifestyle, lack of exercise, lack of training the mind, or - in the rare congenital case - the body you were born into based on previous cycles. Pure karma.
The bank foreclosure is the effect and the cause is that you did not pay your mortgage. There may be a million reasons you can use to rationalize why you did not pay it, but you owed the bank money, you didn't pay, and that is why they foreclosed. Pure karma.
Yes, if you knew decades ago then perhaps you would have caused a healthier lifestyle, behaviors that would bring about positive not negative results. But the good news is that it is never to late to create positive causes - karma doesn't begin and end anywhere.
01:53 PM on 07/31/2011
If calling it "karma" makes you feel better...
10:36 AM on 07/29/2011
Capitalism has to be on shaky ground karmically, on account of it's basic foundation is human greed. Just a question of time.
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PootiePoot
100% stardust
11:46 AM on 08/05/2011
agreed, and capitalism is self destructive, even an economist can tell you that.
10:27 AM on 07/29/2011
Everyday bad things happen to good people. Karma doesn't explain many of life's mysteries. It's unfair to be the recipient other peoples bad behavior. Happens everyday, word wide. There is very little justice in the world. I can choose to fall with the fallen world or I can choose to stand with my dignity.
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ZenGardner
This is NOT the Zen you're looking for.
10:42 AM on 07/29/2011
"Everyday bad things happen to good people."
- Yes... And everyday good things happen to good people, and bad things happen to bad people. And, unfortunately, good things happen to bad people. Welcome to Life101.

"Karma doesn't explain many of life's mysteries."
Karma doesn't "explain" any of life's mysteries. Karma has nothing to do with "explaining" mysteries. It is simply a principle which says that due to past causes and conditions (99.999% of which are out of our control) specific events unfold in this moment. Nothing more. No need to make it more either.

"It's unfair to be the recipient other peoples bad behavior."
- Like my wise old Gran always told me, "Life's unfair, but it beats the alternative."

"I can choose to fall with the fallen world or I can choose to stand with my dignity"
- What does this even mean?
03:48 PM on 07/29/2011
I have been processing through a very difficult loss in my life. People, though well intentioned, have used the word Karma, to try and make sense of my circumstances. Who are you to tell me, a complete stranger, that I need not make Karma anything more than your definition of it? Not very Zen and rather provincial. BTW, I wasn't born yesterday and I've lived enough to see the obvious that good things happen to good people and bad things happen to bad people. No need to welcome me to life 101, that's very condescending and not very ZEN. Yes, the world is fallen, people struggle with good and evil, I struggle as a human being. I try to stand and not stoop to lower levels and rationalize being evil, which is what evil people do everyday, rationalize it.
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cigi
04:00 PM on 07/29/2011
The only thing you leave this world with is your own reputation and integrity. All the experiences I have had in life so far, good, bad, difficult, great, only give me opporutnities to test my own character and resilency. My own personal philosophy is to walk through this world, doing the least amount of harm to others, and leaving my little bit of space better than I found it.. If you lack authenticity in your life, you can hardly project that outwardly to others. It's a great journey and a gift, this life we have, and what doesn't kill us will only make us stronger. I have been grateful for the ride I have been given.
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Tree S-B
Well, you know...
09:14 AM on 07/29/2011
I read this because I was curious what your ideas are on karma but I think you make some very good points and I "get" where you're going with this. You weren't attempting to write an economic treatise but merely point out how the lack of Right Action, Right Living, etc. has created a bad situation for us all.
The sad thing is, in my opinion, one can live by the eightfold path and still be victimized by the actions, or inactions, of others.
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khanti
Cultivator
10:07 AM on 07/29/2011
Collective karma.
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C Karen Stopford
10:06 AM on 07/31/2011
That is a very difficult puzzle but we get close by focusing on the internal things that are important which, by virtue of our being-of-the-world, other beings can't take away from us. Others may hurt the body, but then one can always speculate that a point can be reached where one willingly gives up the body for that purpose, knowing that it has reached the end of its usefulness.
01:38 AM on 07/29/2011
Excellent article and points well made. Thank you.
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David Nichtern
12:28 PM on 07/29/2011
Sophiedo - You are welcome... all best, David N.
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khanti
Cultivator
08:31 PM on 07/28/2011
Great article David and long overdue too. Karma is simply cause and effect; the Universal law of for every action there is an equally opposite reaction. In karma wrong action towards other beings causes emotion, pain and wrong doing which are registered in the mind of all parties involved.
In wrong doing and ignorance against nature then we sometime suffer collectively.
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David Nichtern
11:16 AM on 07/29/2011
Thank you Khanti for this contribution.... it can be interesting to take a spiritual framework (understanding karma) and apply it to a temporal setting. The notion that these are separate arenas is a fundamental distortion. Our spiritual values and how we behave in the world can and should be integrated. Talk the talk, walk the walk.... sending best, David N.
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Sono Pazzi Questi Romani
06:24 PM on 07/28/2011
Unfortunately, this gravely needed "bigger vision", is literally psychologically/intellectually impossible for a large percentage of our society, and a majority of our "leadership".

Values of "common good/cause" are actually despised, reviled, and strategically undermined by Right-Wing media, money, institutions, leaders, and dogma. "Ignorance" is their mother's-milk. Their fuel. Their weapon. And it is Legion.

"Aggression, attachment and ignorance" is the perfect definition of right-wing "values", ideology, and political policy.

This is the karma that has been the overwhelming accruing force of the last 30 years in America, and here we are.

Democrats are guilty of embracing (and/or not fighting) the false right-wing economic religion as well. But that is why "party" is irrelevant. It's about ideology.

It just so happens that the modern Republican Party as a whole, is the personification of "aggression (martial/social/economic), attachment (greed/power) and ignorance (the foundation of their power)". Such is the stated ideological platform and values of the party.

The Democrats at least have a platform and value system of compassion. Its just been largely abandoned the last 3 decades.

But make no mistake, the "bad karma" of this country will continue as long as we do not defeat/exile the cancer of right-wing ideology from our society. In practical terms, this means destroying the Republican Party, and forcing the Democrats to once again live up to their historic values.
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The political pulse
06:10 PM on 07/28/2011
No, too many stupid politicians trying to get re-elected and not do ing what was right has led us to this point.
04:58 PM on 07/28/2011
How about ''as a nation of citizens we are all in this together. Let each of us give ten per cent of our assets to pay down some debt?'' Tithe the people for the national good.
04:42 PM on 07/28/2011
Karma doesn't explain why the greedy people often get rewarded in life and the conscientious get the consequences. Good people often get shafted. That's been my experience. Oh well, Karma must be the reason, WRONG!!!
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Tree S-B
Well, you know...
09:18 AM on 07/29/2011
Maybe that depends on what you consider to be a reward in life.
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PootiePoot
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11:54 AM on 08/05/2011
gross oversimplification.