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Tiger Woods, Buddhism And Redemption

Posted: 01/13/10 03:28 PM ET

The furor over recent comments by Brit Hume suggesting that Tiger Woods convert from Buddhism to Christianity is intriguing, don't you think?

Having recently seen my son Ethan represent the Buddhist community on CNN, it occurred to me that many folks here in the West may not really know much about the Buddhist tradition and what it has to say about redemption, salvation, or anything else for that matter.

What an incredible opportunity for American Buddhists to step forward and share their tradition, experience and point of view. I think it's safe to say that the general population has much greater awareness of Christianity than they do of Buddhism. I certainly didn't notice anybody asking the presidential candidates if they took every word of the Prajnaparamita sutra to be the literal truth, word for word, as the basis for evaluating how they would govern!

Since Mr. Hume emphasized the idea of redemption as the best medicine for what he thinks is ailing Tiger Woods and implied that Christianity has a better redemption "package" than Buddhism (without really illuminating the basis on which he was making that determination), it seemed appropriate to have a look at what, if anything, Buddhism actually does have to say about the notion of redemption or salvation.

According to Buddhist history, right before his death the Buddha gave his last address to his followers: "Behold, O monks, this is my last advice to you. All component things in the world are changeable. They are not lasting. Work hard to gain your own salvation."

My teacher, Trungpa Rinpoche, emphasized that Buddhism is a non-theistic discipline. By that he meant that we shouldn't rely on the power of an external, even if "divine", source for salvation or redemption. As he often said, "we have to hitch up our own chubas " or putting it more in the American vernacular "we have to pick up our own socks." Even more directly, "if you make a mess, then YOU have to clean it up".

There are many ways within the Buddhist tradition to heal, recover, repair, repent, or refrain from harmful actions, but the essence of all of these methods is restoring and re-connecting to one's own innate and indestructible goodness, not depending on salvation through the intervention of an external agent whether it be Buddha, Jesus or any other spiritual guide.

The concept of Original Sin is completely absent in the Buddhist teachings. In fact, Buddhism holds a very basic tenet that at the heart of every sentient being is a fundamental, indestructible, and already intact basic goodness called Buddha nature. Through our own actions we can obscure our connection to that Buddha nature. Through our own actions we can purify and restore that connection.

Maybe this conversation is, in essence, really about theism vs. non-theism. Since theism seems ultimately to require a leap of faith, and non-theism by definition has to be confirmed by one's individual experience, it seems that there really might be a difference between these two approaches. As to which might be better for Tiger Woods, who can say? Maybe we should ask him ...

In any case, using this blog format to explore all these matters further could be wonderful and enlightening. I invite everybody of any persuasion to throw their two cents into the pot below. My only request is that we stay within the framework that both Christ and Buddha would surely agree to: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"- let's be kind, polite and respectful to each other in the exchange.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts!

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The furor over recent comments by Brit Hume suggesting that Tiger Woods convert from Buddhism to Christianity is intriguing, don't you think? Having recently seen my son Ethan represent the Buddhist ...
The furor over recent comments by Brit Hume suggesting that Tiger Woods convert from Buddhism to Christianity is intriguing, don't you think? Having recently seen my son Ethan represent the Buddhist ...
 
 
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03:18 PM on 02/24/2010
Great artical David!
12:07 AM on 02/21/2010
If Tiger Woods is so serious about returning to his Buddhist roots and practicing self-control, let him stay in a monastery or go on pilgrimage for 3+ months, begging for his food and meditating, shaving his head and performing prostrations. Let him give most of his wealth away and follow a simple diet. As they say, there are no atheists in a foxhole.
07:23 PM on 02/19/2010
A thought. Isn't fundamentalism versus pluralism a key issue in this debate.
From this standpoint, you would view Hume to be well intentioned based on a fundamentalist perspective that his personal flavor of Christian beliefs are the only path to the truth. And so naturally, the only way to "salvation" is to follow these beliefs.
I am Buddhist, and one of the Buddhist teaching that resonates most for me is the thought that there is no absolute "right" path. As seekers, what we need to guide us along the path at any point in time is very individual. For some of us, it is one of the many shades of Buddhism, and for most others it is Christianity, Islam, Judaism.
03:26 PM on 02/19/2010
Quoting from Mark Twain:
"It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt"
Brite Hume opened his mouth and revealed his stupidity. He commented on something he knew nothing about , and is too lazy to find out. It is perfectly OK to express your own opinion. But Mr. Hume did not express as an individual, but as a journalist whose standards should be held higher. I feel embarrassed for him.
05:20 PM on 01/15/2010
When you say intriguing in the first sentence, I think that’s softening it a bit. There are those in the Christian faith that believe it is their job to prostalitize and convert everyone to Christianity. Then those same folks might ask what flavor Christian you are and is that “good enough” for “salvation.” One of the definitions of salvation is liberation from ignorance or illusion. Can we really be saved from ourselves or must we face ourselves warts and all in order to be free?

I really like the title of the author and Episcopal priest, Matthew Fox’s book, “Original Blessing.” I think this viewpoint is more in line with Buddha nature.

Yes, prayer and meditation are ways we can steep ourselves in the Divine. Asking for Divine intervention and forgiveness is a great way to start embodying forgiveness. In order to embody forgiveness means we have self forgiveness and also have empathy for ourselves and others. To have true empathy, we would need to sift through our motives and actions by knowing, understanding and integrating our internal thoughts and feelings connected to said actions.

For my money, thi s is the awareness I imagine Buddha was speaking of the night before his death as well as the teachings of Jesus.

It seems to me that theism versus non-theism could be held in a bigger picture of the nature of God, Universe or Absolute. Can we see past the names into the heart or essence of existence?
04:59 PM on 01/15/2010
You either believe the same as Brit Hume - that Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the light and that no one comes to the Father but through Him...and Tiger needs to ask forgiveness for his sins to receive Christ's forgiveness and love - or you believe there are other ways to do this. Forget whether or not Hume should've shared the advice at that time, on that program, or in his role. You either believe what he said is correct or wrong. Read more about it in "Politics and Religion: Knowing Little But Never Being Wrong" - http://richardtgarner.blogspot.com/2010/01/politics-and-religion-knowing-little.html
01:14 AM on 01/15/2010
David, Good question, hopefully I work with them peaceably. Some of my friends and coworkers are Christian and some are not, but all are treated with respect and dignity. I am not the judge of others, but I am commanded by scripture to tell others what God says about the issues of life, God's Holiness, man's separation from God by sin, future judgement, God's offer of redemption to those who will repent of sin, turning from self to follow Christ. I work with inner city kids and also minister in a maximum security prison and I see people with very deep hurts that are mostly inflicted by choices they have made. Compassion is to go to them and tell them the truth and show them through God's Word that those sinful habits and actions are wrong and hurting them and others in their lives. Psalm 34:21 says, Evil shall slay the wicked. It is plain to see that doing the things the Bible says we ought not do causes us great harm. Compassion says for me to go and show them another way.
04:51 PM on 01/14/2010
As a Christian you may be suprised that I would agree with much of what you said here. I agree that I have very little understanding of Buddhism, as it was not taught to me and I have not sought to learn it. I have been content with what the bible says regarding other teachings and religions. A religion or teaching that has a small amount of error mixed with truth is a false religion. The bible is without error, it is the perfect inspired Word of God. An example of where Buddhism would mix truth with error is in your quote of the Buddha's last saying, "All component things in the world are changeable. They are not lasting. Work hard to gain your own salvation." The ingredients of the world are changing - I agree; the ingredients are not lasting - I agree; work hard to gain your own salvation - I disagree; that is wrong as it counters the truth. The truth is that salvation and eternal life are one and the same and they are only in and through Jesus Christ. Yes, the Judean carpenter who was slain on a cross, spilling out his lifeblood as the perfect atoning sacrifice for you and I, He is salvation and life. Anyone not in Christ is dead in trespasses and sins, he/she just doesn't know it yet.
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David Nichtern
05:50 PM on 01/14/2010
Wow.... that is an intense point of view! How do you work with people who do not share it? i'm really curious....

All best, DN
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78Thomas
05:43 AM on 01/19/2010
Dvdjm,
Your comment is a classic example of "sanctified chauvenism".
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Waylon Lewis
01:28 PM on 01/14/2010
Best writeup yet: the question appears not to be Christ v. Buddha, but experience vs. faith. Thanks for this, David--
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David Nichtern
03:50 PM on 01/14/2010
You're welcome Waylon... thanks for checking in. DN
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David Nichtern
03:51 PM on 01/14/2010
Thanks for the feedback Waylon... sending all best, DN
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Kiri Westby
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12:18 PM on 01/14/2010
As someone who was raised Buddhist in the West (Boulder Shambala Sangha), I have a hard time relating to the notions of Salvation or Redemption...from what? To Where?

It seems that Brit Hume makes a huge assumption that Tiger Woods would stop cheating on his wife or paying for sexual pleasure if he accepted Jesus Christ and then he would be saved (I assume from hell?)...But from my experience, he would not necessarily stop doing these things, he would just feel a lot more guilt around them and perhaps repent to make himself feel better. In the end, the world is not a better place for it and Tiger's karma is his own.

I guess I have a hard time even grasping what Christians are talking about when they refer to salvation. We are all safe and unsafe all the time. Death comes without warning to all of us...the cheaters and the fully devout.

Seems like comparing apples and oranges to me.

Thanks for sharing...Ethan did a good job, though I wish he would have emphasized more the point at the end, that there is no dichotomy between Christianity and Buddhism and should have welcomed Brit Hume to a Shambala center near him for some basic mind training :)

Yours in the Dharma,
Kiri
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David Nichtern
03:56 PM on 01/14/2010
Thanks for your comments Kiri.... good to hear from you.

There's no doubt that how we each see the world is framed by how we were trained/conditioned to see it.

It is interesting to note, extracting from your comments, that Buddhist training in mindfulness, awareness and compassion is fundamentally not dogmatic or faith based and really could be practiced by anybody of any faith without contradiction.... Learning how to be more mindful and aware in particular is what I call the perfect mixer.... it goes with everything....

Sending all best, DN
10:17 AM on 01/14/2010
Brit Hume has little compassion for Tiger Woods and with judgment, sees Woods through his own simulation of God..

One purpose of Buddhism is to lead a noble life. For me, Fox News and it's agents have no attention on nobility. They are entirely about righteousness and getting even with whatever is not them.

They represent the dark side of our society. Without noble intent commerce taints all of us.

Charlie Smith
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David Nichtern
04:03 PM on 01/14/2010
My personal take on Brit Hume was that he was just speaking from his own point of view and recommending that to Tiger Woods as good medicine.... he didn't seem to really be too aware of what Buddhism is about or what it offers, so it's hard to understand how he felt equipped to make a comparison between the two traditions.... but I felt his invitation was heartfelt ....

In any case, as you are saying here.... it was also definitely thru the filter of his own view of things, but I think to greater or lesser extent we're all doing that....

Maybe people in positions of power and influence should be extra careful about pushing their point of view too strongly without having a full and informed view of those they are pushing them onto.

Thanks for your comments, DN
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reality has already (w)on(e), surrender!
08:32 AM on 01/14/2010
The Great Perfection means redemption is always on the offing, every experience of suffering is an opportunity to see the ground of suffering which is conflicted or egoic awareness, mixing up the basic pure awareness with the karmic ripenings the manifest as the 6 senses and come home to the basic awareness of experience as the true SELF as opposed to the conceptual construct ego which relies on teh machinary of suffering known as past present and future. Only the NOW which is and is not the 3 times provides the true view of emptiness-arising-staying-dissolving-arising..... So there is no punishment since there is no means to punish but there are consequences in waht arises since there is nothing eles outside to create karma all karma arises from the stream of conflicted awareness adiding since begnningless time in the space which is beyond suffering, yet not knowing it. May tiger recognize this opportunity even if that means taking up Yeshuas teachings over Buddhas, they are all the same, just using disguises.
09:43 PM on 01/13/2010
This article does a great job of illustrating the single most important difference between Biblical Christianity and Buddhism (and in fact ,all other religions). The Bible plainly affirms that man is totally unable to achieve redemption through his own efforts. Such statements as, "All our righteousness are as filthy rags.", "There is none that doeth good.", "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked." are just a small sampling of the many times Scriptures negates the idea of redemption through personal effort. These statements are so strongly affirmed that they stand in absolute opposition to any religion that proclaims redemption through human effort, leaving no possibility of redemption through any other means. The Bible harshly condemns those who seek to earn their own redemption, ascribing to them the harshest of judgments. Jesus' diatribe against the Pharisees in Matthew 23 serves as an excellent example. The glorious thing about this harshness in the Bible is it points us to the redemption provided for us by Christ. "For God hath concluded all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all." God makes clear man's inability that we might be humbly drawn to His grace in providing redemption through Christ. The difference is clear and decisive, you will either continue in your efforts to earn your own redemption or you will abandon them and rely only on Christ's work on the cross to provide your redemption for you.
http://biblicalsalvation.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/reconciliation/
02:47 AM on 01/14/2010
And the millions of people who lived, and even now will live and die without ever having heard of Christ, what redemption is available to them?
11:03 AM on 01/14/2010
Creation provides to everyone sufficient knowledge to refuse the Divine authority and judgment. The problem is not availability of the message of Christ. The problem is our constant refusal to acknowledge God as God. Most of the world recognizes the power and fact of God through Creation, and then rejects that revelation to replace God with something made in their own imaginations. They have no redemption because they have refused the knowledge available to them. For those who see creation and genuinely seek knowledge of the Creator, God's graciously makes available to them, sometimes through marvelous means, the knowledge of Christ so they can be redeemed.

What happens to those seek for redemption in a manner contrary to Buddhic principles? Is there redemption available to them through blowing up village markets or slaughtering their children on sacrificial altars?
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David Nichtern
04:19 PM on 01/14/2010
I think you're right in saying the difference is clear and decisive... the point of view you are presenting here does not appear to leave any room for discussion. That is exactly what we are talking about. Your point of view presented here is faith based and theistic in the terms of the discussion we are having and clearly does not invite any dialog from someone else with a different point of view. That is when dogma becomes dogmatic..... if you were interested in having further dialog with me or any of our contributors that would so wonderful and welcomed .... in any case, good luck sir and all best wishes, DN
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Brian Adler
04:59 PM on 01/14/2010
David,

Thank you for modeling how to meet a mind fixed in its point of view with gentle open clarity. I'm humbled to realize that that option has been invisible to me many times in similar conversations.
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khanti
Cultivator
08:53 PM on 01/13/2010
What Palin, Shatner And Miss Jasmine Have To Teach Us This Season.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-cara-barker/what-palin-shatner-and-mi_b_393615.html?show_comment_id=36479891#comment_36479891

Commented Dec 16, 2009 at 21:54:21 in Living
“The Buddha's Eightfold Noble Path actually prevent fresh negative karmic . Right Understanding; Right Thoughts; Right Speech; Right Livelyhood; Right Action; Right Effort; Right Mindfulness and Right Concentration.
If you read up on these Noble Paths you will find that the Buddha's Teachings is actually not a religion. It is a way of life that uses common sense to guide our body, mind and actions. How many times did our wrong speech caused enmity and hurt others? Right Mindfulness teaches us to guard our six senses like a boat with six holes that need to be plugged to prevent our untowards reaction to external and internal phenomenon.”
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David Nichtern
04:21 PM on 01/14/2010
Thanks for your comments Khanti....

As to whether Buddhism is a way of life or a religion, that is an interesting question. What do you think the difference is?

DN
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khanti
Cultivator
08:35 PM on 01/13/2010
What The Buddha Would Say To Sarah Palin?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ed-and-deb-shapiro/what-the-buddha-would-say_b_366996.html?show_comment_id=35162681#comment_35162681

Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 02:28:42 in Living
“Pt. 1
Sharing The Bodhi Heart.
Everyone including animals has a Bodhi heart or Buddha nature. It is the selfless, egoless nature found in everyone. It is also where the Ten Perfections of a Buddha can be found. How can I recognize my Bodhi Heart? When you are driving and chance to come across an accident and you see people injured. The first reaction is to stop and help. That, my friends, is the Bodhi Heart. It is unselfish, spontaneous and recognize suffering. After a while instead of stopping to help you worry that you will be late for work and all the excuses that come by. The latter part is not the Bodhi Heart it is the heart of a person bound to the earth and make the saddest sound(as in El Condo Pasa sang by S&G).”