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Talking to a Teenager About Suicide

Posted: 02/18/11 09:02 AM ET

I'll always remember that late afternoon I spent sitting across from a bright and talented young man in a psychiatric hospital's group room. Half of his face was boyishly handsome. The other half was scarred from a car crash that no one called an accident. He politely answered my questions about music and books, but we both knew I was there to keep my eyes on him while his psychiatrist, therapist, and terrified parents discussed his requests behind closed doors.

He steered the conversation back to what he had asked for. He wanted his belt back so he could walk without holding his pants up. He wanted his shoelaces back so he could stop shuffling down the hallways in untied boots. He wanted a few minutes of privacy.

Since his parents had admitted him -- after his third attempt to take his life -- a staff person was added to each shift with one assignment: Watch this boy. He slept; someone watched. He dressed; someone watched. He sat on the toilet; someone watched.

Yet even with the constant vigil he reported progress. The new meds made him feel better. He made friends on the ward. He felt safe for the first time in a long time. He warned that the constant watching put his recovery at risk. He said he would never completely fit in with the others if he couldn't let go of his pants or tie his shoes.

The meeting ran long. A different staff person took my place. I drove home through dark Vermont woods. I likely kissed my infant daughter goodnight and read while my wife fell asleep by my side.

The treatment team and the parents granted the young man's request. He had worked hard and earned their trust. They returned his belt and his shoelaces and told the staff to perform random but frequent room checks.

Around 11:00 that night, just when I would have been turning off my reading lamp, this bright and talented young man took his hard-won freedom and a brief moment of privacy and he hanged himself. Friends slept in the surrounding rooms. Highly trained staff stood around the corner.

I think of this young man as my oldest child walks down high-school hallways made quieter by one less voice. A bright and talented young woman in the grade above her shot herself at home over a long weekend. An older sister found her and called 911. This detail devastates me.

My wife works as a student assistance professional in the local schools. She gets notified when there is trouble or crisis, so we found out about this tragedy shortly after it happened. Details were sketchy. We didn't know if our daughter knew this young woman, but we knew some of her friends had played sports with her, so we sat my daughter down to talk about what had happened. With today's electronic grapevine, she already knew.

According to the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control the top three causes of death for people between the ages of 15 and 24 are accidental injuries, homicide, and then suicide. In 2007 (the last year that statistics are available) over 4,000 teenagers and young adults killed themselves. They left behind thousands of parents, siblings, aunts, uncles, grandparents and friends who might ask themselves for the rest of their lives, "Is there something I could have done differently? Is there something I could have done?"

A distraught staff member at the psychiatric hospital asked a similar question. The hospital's chief executive officer reminded us, "Sometimes depression is a terminal illness."

I wanted to find statistics on how many people tell someone they're going to commit suicide before they do it. I've heard the number is low, but I can't back up this claim. According to some experts only one in six people leave a suicide note. Maybe the pain of living becomes so great that the focus narrows to the task at hand.

There are some common signs that a teenager might be thinking about taking his or her life. They include changes in eating or sleeping habits, neglect of personal appearance, persistent boredom, and/or a decline in the quality of schoolwork. In other words, a suicidal teenager might start looking like a teenager.

When we sat my daughter down to talk she wanted to know specific details. We told her we wouldn't share them if we knew. Instead we told her we loved her more than she might ever understand. We spoke of the family a few miles away now suffering a pain we couldn't begin to comprehend. We reminded her that she was young and she still lacked perspective and the ability to rationally process decisions when under stress. We assured her that someone would break her heart someday. She would make what she would think were catastrophic mistakes. She might feel horrible about herself. All of this was to be expected, and we would be there for her when it happened. We spoke about families we knew who suffered terrible loss but still continued on. We explained how important it was to tell an adult if she was worried about a friend, or if she felt really terrible herself.

When I worked at that psychiatric hospital my oldest child was an infant. I didn't really think of myself as a parent then. I couldn't picture that young man's parent's pain. Now it is all I can think about. And the parents aren't at fault. Friends often don't know what is going on. Depression can be a terminal illness. Some people never want to be stopped.

But the living need to talk about suicide. It might be all we can do.

When I think of the pain suffered by parents of those now gone, a song comes to mind. I heard the band Red Heart the Ticker play it live as they celebrated a new album release. The man who wrote the song, Tyler Gibbons, told the crowd he didn't play it often because it was so personal. The "Ballad of J. Murphy" goes:

It was a great wide field you crossed with your man.
It was a knee-high grass. You laid down with your man.
Looking into his eyes, your chestnut hair was blowing in your eyes.

The slow gait of your words, were your whispering?
And the buzz of insects, were you listening?

15 years old, your heart is young, your body's cold.

It doesn't matter which one of you...
It doesn't matter which one of you...
Brought the pistol.

It doesn't matter which one.

It was a fancy car that came for you.
It crushed the wheel-high grass where it came for you.
Checked your pulse, but it had ceased.
The sun had gone low, it was shining through the trees.
I hope you get back on your feet in that speckled light.
I hope you get back on your feet in that speckled light.
15 years old. Your heart is warm. Your heart is old.

 

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lyle60
Left of Left
07:43 PM on 02/18/2011
My son is 27 years old. He's extremely intelligent, handsome, funny and has the kindest heart. At the age of 17 he fell apart. He was Class President and a member of the Honor Society when he went spiraling down into the pits of hell. Depression and acute anxiety. He has seen 12 Psychologist over the years and 3 Psychiatrists. I had to call the State Police to have him taken to the hospital when he held a knife to his throat. He has been on many different medicines, none of which have helped him. We are currently losing our house because we haven't been able to save any money over the years because of his medical bills and I am in construction work which means no work at all during this recession. His High School responded to his depression by taking away his class presidency and excluding him from his year book. Most of the Psychologists were totally inept and the Psychiatrists uncaring. My son is now deep into another depression and there is no where to turn. He is on a waiting list for health care. He has been on this waiting list for 10 months and I do not believe he will ever receive a letter stating that he has finally made it to the top of the list. I try my best to give him hope but deep inside I have very little.
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MerrieWay
09:01 PM on 02/18/2011
Do you have the right to help him? Conservator? Go to your local Social Security office, and state the dire need. Make sure all the proper documentation is there. If something is mission, get it. These agencies are overwhelmed and the right arm doesn't know what the left is doing. Tell your heartbreaking circumstance to the social worker. Don't give up, someone will understand and care. Blessings to you and your son. You will prevail.
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Moonspirit48
Happy to be alive ...
08:01 PM on 02/20/2011
Oh, my, I am so sorry for your family and your son. This is very painful to read. I have several friends who are educators and they say that the schools are scared to death of being sued because parents often do it. In this case, is it too late to go back and sue the school for denying your son his class presidency and exclusion from his yearbook. I know this takes energy, but you don't have income coming in and you do have time on your hands. Legal Aid offices are located in most counties, where you might get help. Please know that some of us who read this today will be praying for your son and your family. I have struggled with a similar problem and know that you need to pull yourself out of your own depression (which is very understandable in this situation) and leave no stone unturned to find help for him. At the age he fell apart, he might have schizophrenia. Mental health coverage is being cut drastically in most states, I know, but you just can't give up. I'm praying. God bless you all.
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MerrieWay
06:56 PM on 02/18/2011
Finally there are warnings, not allowing the Pharma's to foist particular anti-psychotic drugs on teens and younger children. Suicide escalation being the reason. As long as we are a drug addicted society, how can we expect our kid's to trust doctor's, parents (in fear of what to do) and the mental health field that is at the brunt of insurance companies' dictating what treatment to administer. With awareness, as you have mentioned, to speak to our children, to watch them, to know the possibility that depression may lead to suicide, may help save lives. David, thank you for your heartfelt commitment to our youth and your expertise. Blessings to all.
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Shaun Hensley
The American Experiment has failed
05:11 PM on 02/18/2011
It seems somewhat selfish to demand that someone continue to live in pain so that the rest of us don't feel guilt.
05:02 PM on 02/18/2011
A woman who is kin to my husband has a 30 some year old son who is suicidal. I'll call him Dan. Dan seems like a spoiled brat. He is good looking and smart. He went to college for several years. He has ruined his credit, then ruined his mother's credit by letting a car go back that she let him buy in her name. He has had some great jobs but never manages to keep them.

She had her own car paid for, then he took it, so now it is up to the family to go get her and take her where she needs to go. We all love her and don't mind but it is a two hour deal there and back.

She lives on a small Social Security check and has to make a house payment with it. Her 5 other children used to help her a lot, but they figured out that the money was going to Dan. Then she started charging and getting loans to help him. He has impoverished her and himself and left all of us with less than we had.

She says he is suicidal and so that keeps us from saying anything. He is bipolar she says. Anyway it is a tragedy for her and the ones watching it happen. We have all figured out that she is so afraid he will commit suicide that she will give him anything she can.
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Moonspirit48
Happy to be alive ...
08:09 PM on 02/18/2011
Reading your story, I knew the young man was bipolar before you stated it in the last paragraph. Is he getting adequate medications? Is he getting psychiatric help? He can be helped, and it could save the life of both him but also his mother's.
07:29 AM on 02/19/2011
He has taken medicine at times, but I don't know if he has money to buy his medicine now that he lost his job.

I will have my husband talk to her about the medicine.

Do you mean he is dangerous to his mother or will just worry her to death?
His way of doing things makes his brothers resent him so he gets negative feedback.

Thanks for your insight.
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
10:47 PM on 02/19/2011
The whole family needs counseling, as "Dan" is running the show and knows it. The worst thing they can do is continue to enable him without making him accountable for his actions. Not sure if he's bipolar as much as having borderline personality disorder, but either way, he should be on meds and they should all be in counseling together.
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Moonspirit48
Happy to be alive ...
11:10 PM on 02/19/2011
If Dan has bipolar or borderline personality disorder, he certainly is not responsible for his actions of "running the show". He cannot be help accountable for his actions with such serious diagnoses -- if indeed he has them. I agree they all need counseling. In most areas there is counseling provided on a sliding scale fee and they should be able to get perhaps free or nearly free help.
03:08 PM on 02/18/2011
As parents we should always be aware of our kids mood and keep an open dialog so that they feel comfortable in coming to you and discussing what's on their mind. Listening without judging.

www.mylifewithateen.com
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merrymay
02:53 PM on 02/18/2011
Degenerate, many people behind closed doors are mean to each other. You love your parents or you wouldn't write about them...but obviously they really hurt you and you're ashamed of them.
I don't know why some people talk so mean. My folks were like that...it hurts.
When my father died I found a drawer full of photos he'd treasures of my children going back 30 years. And he left me a good bit of money, spending almost nothing on himself.
People are very complicated and show love in odd and awkward ways. Real life isn't like "The Cosby Show".

I hope you're not living with so much verbal abuse now...I know how it can sting even years later.Thanks for writing your story.
03:58 PM on 02/18/2011
Of course life isn't typically fit for the Disney channel, but that doesn't really matter. I know my parents cared. Dad was cool most of the time and his drinking didn't get too bad until later in life (mid teens), either that or maybe I dodged a bullet only seeing him every other weekend(I wanted to go live with him as a kid, but that never would've been possible.). My sister cut him off, and I swear her old room is exactly as it was when she last visited, over two years ago. Mom was alright most of the time, but her random rages weren't much fun, nothing like being ripped apart one day of screaming at a time, punches aren't really necessary at that point (She didn't hit all that hard or often anyway; I always was harder of hide than heart. What's a bloody lip or bruise now and then?). Fundamentally, it seems she never could trust that I loved her, she was always convinced I'd leave her. Not that it makes the endless accusations of failing to love any less painful.

All aside, I get along most of the time with both of them, though, since leaving home for boarding school at 15, I feel the need to keep a bit of distance, no sense needlessly walking through the minefield. As I've gotten older and more independent, things have gotten better, though it only takes a snide comment to bring all those feelings rushing back.
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merrymay
04:58 PM on 02/18/2011
My father mellowed a lot, but I couldn't even sit next to Mother at his funeral. The 87 year old, now with dementia, would have been at me the whole time!!
She also plays honky tonk piano at her nursing home and gets in fights sometimes...a lively, cranky old lady.
In life you will meet people who DID grow up with the Disney version...they fall in love with tatooed bikers and pay bills late for excitement. At least we lived, and we have good stories!
02:12 PM on 02/18/2011
Ha, I remember talking with my parents about suicide(at 16), that was fun(not). They were fighting over something or another(divorced), and one or the other (not sure who, dad was drunk and mom's a master of mind games) concocted the idea that I was suicidal(I wasn't, but that would've been the ultimate ammunition for blame, only thing better would've been my brains splattered on the ceiling).

Whatever the case, mom opted for the all out assault, I'll never forget the mockery of sympathy in her voice, as she went on a tirade of, in summary, "go kill yourself, you selfish ungrateful brat" (she's since reiterated this position(not towards me specifically; I wouldn't dare speak of such a thing with her), going so far as to say that she'd tell what pills to take. Dad was in pseudo-philosophical drunk mode, saying something to the effect of "If you feel it's your time to "check out", then do so.".

Needless to say, in the times I've felt anything less than cheerful(ah, the fun of understatements), they're the last people in the world I'd speak to about it.
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OldTart
Let it begin with me...
02:24 PM on 02/18/2011
If you haven't already, I'd suggest you refrain from allowing them any time in your life and mind, maybe forever, but certainly until you've found your footing and a safety net of people who genuinely care about you. I can't tell you the relief it has been for me to do this in my own life. I had no idea they were taking that much energy from me!
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
02:41 PM on 02/18/2011
Wow, not only do I want to go back in time and hug you, I want to punch your parents. Did you end up having any kind of relationship with them as you grew older?
05:08 AM on 02/19/2011
Given that I'm merely nearing my 20th birthday, I'm not so sure about how much older I am, but to answer your question, I do have a cordial relationship with both parents, but with an element of shallowness and distance. I get along well with my dad, and remember my time with him fondly (for the most part) but can't say that I really know him. Mother, I get along with save her occasional blowouts, but I would never tell her anything of importance (wouldn't tell dad either). I left home for a boarding school at 15, but had made myself emotionally independent (Who the hell am I kidding? I'm an affection-starved mess, a pushover for anyone who shows the slightest kindness. This, however, hit later, around 18.) long before, can't say I ever "missed" home, save for my grandparents and half sister.

I can tolerate enough crap that I'll probably maintain a functional relationship with my parents, on the surface, but I doubt I'll ever have a mature relationship with either of them (especially mom), the kind where we can speak of things. Part of me envies those who have that, if only a little.
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Majestry
Every man is the artisan of his own fortune
12:56 PM on 02/18/2011
As someone who attempted suicide as a teenager, I can say that the most at risk are typically the ones for whom there is nowhere to turn. I came from a single parent household after the death of my father and my mother was a neglectful drug addict. I was quiet and shy and nerdy and was tormented at school for being different. I have a medical condition that made me an easy target for ridicule. There were no friends or family or role models that I could turn to and with whom I could talk, I was all alone.

Of course, there were lots of warning signs like the fact that I never participated in class, never did my homework, missed tons of school, and was always quiet, shy and reserved. Being incredibly intelligent though meant that because my grades were good no one cared to ask me if I was good; I wasn’t.

I tried to end my life and by some stroke of luck I was found very quickly and got to spend 2 weeks in the psych ward at a hospital. That made me want to end my life even more as the sort of suffering I was put through in the hospital was worse than I could have ever imagined. In fact, it is something that I think about to this day and there are days like my recent birthday where the acute and all-encompassing loneliness does make the thought come back with vigor.
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OldTart
Let it begin with me...
01:56 PM on 02/18/2011
Thank you for your courage and honesty in sharing this story. The key words for me: "ones for whom there is nowhere to turn." Boy! do I know that feeling! My childhood/teenage years were a horror show, my depression amazing in retrospect and my thoughts of suicide non-stop (I did make several unsuccessful attempts). I too was "quiet and shy and nerdy and was tormented at school for being different." No one lifted a finger to help, even though I shyly confided a glimpse into the horror I was enduring to a couple of classmates and one teacher. I don't think people who have never been in that situation can realize how compelling, how overwhelming the situation is, the one without hope or a way out. No one truly lives in another's head or knows their deepest feelings, especially one who has no one to hear, to care. For this reason, sad as it is, I will never condemn anyone for deciding it's just too much and choosing to end the pain. "Acute and all-encompassing loneliness" is really hard to live with. I know. I've done it most of my 68 years. Only in the last year or so of my life have I moved into real joy - it took that long. Hang in there. I truly understand and care.
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
02:06 PM on 02/18/2011
This is the second time I've read your post and wanted to go back in time and give you a hug.
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Majestry
Every man is the artisan of his own fortune
02:26 PM on 02/18/2011
Haha. It's funny because I went, literally, 9 years without ANY affectionate physical contact at all. No hugs, no pats on the back, etc. The closest I got was cigarette burns, lmao.
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Tyler-Durden
leading a revolution of one
12:32 PM on 02/18/2011
as someone who's been treated for suicidal ideation, i offer this from experience:

the only effective deterrent to suicide is HOPE. hope is the answer to the question "Why?"

it is lack of a valid answer to the question "Why?" that drives the despair which leads to someone believing that escape from physical existence is a plausible option.

the lack of hope in their heart is what allows suicide a chance to be justified in their mind.
so if you want to reduce the number of teens considering suicide as an option, then work to develop their HOPE in something.

take a look at this world. to high school teens, it's like standing on the edge of the diving platform 100ft. in the air. they look down, and not all see the same thing. some see it as a challenge to dive in. but some see an empty pool.
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merrymay
03:16 PM on 02/18/2011
When people get dumped, it seems like the world is full of lovers. When they're despairing, it seems like the world just tries to depress you.
I went through a horrible depression at 21, bottom of the ocean. The book of the month club sent me a copy of Lady Bird Johnson's "White House years"...like I cared. But I forced myself to plow through it. That woman really got a KICK out of just meeting anybody, going anywhere, looking forward to the bluebonnets in Texas. She was contagious and I felt better, slowly. Shrink books and a shrink mostly made me self centered and feel bad. I needed to look outward...

Besides niacin...people need to seek out positive, interesting things to read, especially when they are very low. God bless you, Tyler.
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Tyler-Durden
leading a revolution of one
03:19 PM on 02/21/2011
thanx, May. thanx very much.
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legaleagle4
proudly scaring republicans since 1982
12:07 PM on 02/18/2011
The only thing I object to here is the statement that teenagers can't "rationally" process things like these. That's simply not true: mental illness affects everyone, though this article focuses on teenagers. Teenagers might lack perspective, but that's not the same as being irrational. Otherwise, this is beautifully written and moving.
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David Petrie
12:45 PM on 02/18/2011
Thanks for commenting. I tried writing this story with balance and utmost respect.

To clarify, the statement about teens not being able to process decisions when under stress is not about mental illness -- it's about adolescent development. I link to the Academy of Adolescent and Child Psychiatrist's fact sheet (the purple type). Here's the link again: http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/the_teen_brain_behavior_problem_solving_and_decision_making

They write: "Adolescents differ from adults in the way they behave, solve problems, and make decisions. There is a biological explanation for this difference. Scientists have identified a specific region of the brain called the amygdala which is responsible for instinctual reactions including fear and aggressive behavior. This region develops early. However, the frontal cortex, the area of the brain that controls reasoning and helps us think before we act, develops later. This part of the brain is still changing and maturing well into adulthood."

I regularly remind my daughter about this fact. She thinks differently than I do and than she will when she is an adult. She needs to let her brain catch up sometimes, and talk to us before making rash decisions.

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legaleagle4
proudly scaring republicans since 1982
03:38 PM on 02/18/2011
Somewhat, but I still take a dim view of the fact you're basically telling your daughter she's too stupid to make decisions. I'm in my 30s and still think basically the same way I did when I was 19 in terms of politics and opinions on mental illness, psychology, et cetera. To say "you'll know better when you're older" is patronizing at best, insulting as hell at worst.
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Taychin
You have to be too kind to be kind enough
04:50 PM on 02/18/2011
Everybody knows the saying "it takes a village" but people don't understand the reach of what that means. A 2- parent system to grow children is too risky for a society. There is no safety net if these parents are not good parents. In addition, even if parents are wonderful, there is no guarantee that their child will feel comfortable going to them in all situations. This is why a loving circle of biological and non biological "aunts" and "uncles" is the best way. I witnessed my sister do as much as she possibly could to make sure her daughter would feel comfortable confiding in her no matter what. Yet, there were some things that she would turn to me (her aunt) for instead. Sometimes your parents are just too close to a situation and sometimes you're too afraid of hurting them to tell them. I grew up in a circle of blood relatives yet when my brother had difficult teenage years he chose adults from our church to talk to in spite of the number of relatives he had....the wider the circle the better...just statistically. This is a societal problem too.
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CHMB
What's long and brown and sticky? A Stick.
10:33 AM on 02/18/2011
Thank you for sharing this. We need to further the dialogue on mental illness and suicide. People need to know that there are friends and family who are willing to listen to them when they are having these thoughts. The government must also put more funding in place for treating mental illness. Afterall, our mind is just a part of our body as our heart, or our lungs or any other organ.
12:20 PM on 02/18/2011
You're right about the need for further dialogue and more funding. Unfortunately, HR1 Continuing Resolution Budget Cuts for FY 2011 eliminates $200 million from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, $86 million from research on mental illness at the National Institute of Mental Health, $557 million to special education funding, and cuts roughly $210 million from HUD Section 811 (a program that helps people with disabilies, including chronic mental illness, live as independently as possible).
Listening, open communication and dropping the stigma of mental illness are crucial to the conversation about suicide. Education, too, needs to be part of the dialogue. Even with the right combination of medication and therapy, some of the most difficult symptoms of mental illness take a verrrrry long time to remit. There are skill-based modalities, such as Dialectical Behavior Therapy, Cognitive Behavior Therapy and others, that help patients develop ways to cope when self-harming impulses arise.
Through education we can convey hope. As a parent of a teen who has been hopitalized for suicidal ideation and other self-harming behaviors, I know hope is essential to any form of recovery.
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CHMB
What's long and brown and sticky? A Stick.
02:15 PM on 02/18/2011
Cat, thank you for sharing the information.

The government doesn't see mental health care as an important part of overall health care. Cuts having repeatedly been made, and it's now very evident what the long term consequences of these cuts are.
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OldTart
Let it begin with me...
01:59 PM on 02/18/2011
People ought also to know that sometimes friends and family are at the root of the problem, and that there is absolutely no chance that anyone will listen and care. I tried. I was laughed at.
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CHMB
What's long and brown and sticky? A Stick.
02:14 PM on 02/18/2011
OldTart, I am appalled and heartbroken to hear about your experience.

I hope you're in a better place now.
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merrymay
10:27 AM on 02/18/2011
One more reason to give people a smile and kind thoughts as you go through your day.
You never know...
I like teenagers. It's really the last time most Americans have an emotional life before getting behind that plow. We should treasure them and lift their hearts with a happy remark.
My youngest son works at a popular deli downtown. The kids at our giant college there stream through all day. He is invaluable...at 24 he exchanges comments in Arnold S. accent and laughs a lot. People who graduate and visit a year or two later will come by to visit him.

My son doesn't go to church, but he prays with me and believes. And the owners appreciate him with decent money. He's the heart of our family.

I know young people will read this article. Please know many here wish you joy and hope...don't give up.
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
02:11 PM on 02/18/2011
Sounds like a good young man : )
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merrymay
02:39 PM on 02/18/2011
Yeah, and he looks like Ashton Kutcher.

I must have done something right to raise him and he's not conceited! Thanks, Mac.