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Davis Guggenheim

Davis Guggenheim

Posted: December 9, 2010 02:51 PM

On November 15, I invited teachers from around the county to send in their thoughts on Waiting for "Superman".

Thank you for writing and taking the time to share your ideas, comments, frustrations and opinions on the film. There is no doubt this is a heated issue. And you are all at the center of it. Trying to change our classrooms without involving teachers is like trying to bake a cake without an oven. Your voice must be a part of the discussion.

Below are some answers to a few of the same questions a lot of you had. But please keep the conversation going. I really do love hearing from you.

To ProfTK: Thanks for your question. I don't think charters are the answer. Charters can suffer from many of the same problems any district schools suffer from, and I note in the film that only 1 in 5 are doing better than average. I think there are some outstanding examples of charters that prove that it's possible to get amazing results in some of the toughest neighborhoods and I think we should learn from what they are doing. The message of Waiting for "Superman" should not be misconstrued as "pro" this or "anti" that. The message of the film is that we are failing too many kids and that you shouldn't have to "win" a chance at a great education in America. It's important to note that the families in my movie don't care what their schools are called -- district, magnet, charter, etc. They just want great schools!

Dear Shelz: Thank you so much for your question. I completely understand your frustration as a teacher. My first film, The First Year, was about the life and struggles of five teachers. I saw firsthand what you are talking about. After making that film, I promised myself that if I ever had the chance to make another film about public education, I'd talk about the "system" that makes it so hard on teachers like yourself. And that is what I tried to do. I don't agree with people who want to frame Waiting for "Superman" in a polarizing way. I believe we need to reward great teachers like yourself, make sure we have great principals and leaders to support you, and change the system to further support what you are doing for kids. I hope teachers, as well as parents, students and people who care about the children and direction of our country keep sending comments and thoughts and most importantly, taking action to help ensure every kid in America gets a great education.

 
 
 
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TFT
It's the poverty, stupid.
07:30 PM on 12/15/2010
What a weak response from Guggenheim. He asks for feedback, gets hundreds of impassioned responses--mostly negative--then "answers" 2 of them, as if we asked him something. We were telling him things, not asking him things. We expected him to listen, since that's what he said he would do.

No, Davis; we needed you to listen and then offer a mea culpa. FAIL
11:39 AM on 12/31/2010
ABSOLUTELY.
01:31 PM on 12/14/2010
The most efficient way to discover cutting-edge curricular systems, instructional strategies,and learning milieus is to level the playing field for all schools. For example, allow all schools to employ private/charter school admissions/exit policies. All students/families would be required to participate in a rigorous admissions process. Once admitted, students who are subpar academic performers and/or whose behavior is detrimental to the learning milieu would be placed on contract (including mandatory tutoring sessions & timelines for improvement). Students who do not meet the conditions of the contract could be counseled-out without the school having to exhaust every resource or having to build a case for expulsion (the current private/charter school system).

Or on the flipside, mandate that all private/charter private schools relax their admissions' policies - and exhaust ALL resources (due process) before outing a student. Private/charter schools would be forced to keep their low-performing and/or maladaptive-behavior students ALL YEAR LONG - unless they exhausted all resources and could build a case for expulsion. They would also have to keep students with attendance issues (the current comprehensive public school system).

With all schools educating on a level playing field, the Gates Foundation would more quickly find the most effective eduators, the most cutting-edge curricula & instructional strategies, and the most adaptive learning milieus.
11:38 PM on 12/12/2010
Your response is strangely unemotional considering the emotion teachers expressed to you. . Consider this quote by Paul Thomas in the Guardian UK:
"The standards, testing and accountability movement is built on a claim that education can change society. The corporate support for the accountability movement and the "no excuses" charter school movement seeks to reinforce that claim because, otherwise, corporate America and the politicians supporting corporate America would have to admit that something is wrong with our economic and political structures.
And the evidence isn't on the side of corporate America.
The Joseph Rowntree Foundation has shown that only 14% of pupil achievement can be attributed to the quality of the school; 86% of that achievement is driven by factors outside of education. David Berliner has also established six out-of- school factors that overwhelm the effectiveness of education against poverty and expanding social inequities."
Are you even qualified to comprehend fully the effects of poverty are on education -or what poverty feels like? Do you have any experience with this? Do you think next time you might want to do more research before jumping in? As teachers, we are always constantly to reflect on our practice , so we can remedy the effects of poverty. I would have liked to hear a more heartfelt reflection from you. What will you be doing to remedy the effects of poverty in the future?
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KaAp
02:18 AM on 12/13/2010
Thank you for your post Hot Pierogi, and your comments which are so very true. I think your movie has helped put a nail into the coffin of public education in the United States. Siding with those who would seek to privatize a public trust this was not a documentary but a propaganda flick. Had you done your research Mr. Guggenheim you would understand that you have made a movie that helps advance a neoliberal agenda ending any sense of democratic possibility for the future.
10:01 PM on 12/12/2010
I'm compelled to post a link to something POSITIVE our school has done to create a positive, uplifting environment at our rural Texas school - a lip dub. Filmed on Wednesday December 8th with 500 students. We ran through it twice and filmed the third -- all within 40 minutes. It makes my heart soar when I watch it -- I hope you can feel the joy we have at our school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po9qy-tjeYw
10:37 PM on 12/14/2010
That is pretty mind blowing. I can't believe how perfectly that came out and how much work went into on the part of everyone!!!!!!!!
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sillyfrog
Pastafarian and UU student
06:36 PM on 12/12/2010
Maybe we should go the way of Finland. http://www.cybercollege.com/plume22.htm
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04:38 PM on 12/12/2010
It's also depressing that my son has to eat a cold lunch with a disposable spork from a disposable styrofoam tray in an old, dark cafeteria. After this, he is led outside to a parking lot and made to walk slow, in a square, for recess. I hear in other countries they eat off of real plates with real silverware and have flowers on the tables. I bet they also have things like playgrounds. There is a difference between frugality and miserliness, I think our schools have gone off into the realm of miserliness. It rubs off on the kids. How much do you feel you are worth, trying to eat a meal with a cracked spork?
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ArtTeach
08:24 PM on 12/12/2010
You think it's the SCHOOL that's being miserly? Based on your other post your kid's school can't even afford a science program. What program should they cut so the kids can eat off real plates & have flowers on the table?
Where is the money supposed to come from? That's where you;ll find your "misers".
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08:39 PM on 12/12/2010
I want them to improve every aspect of the school. These are American children and they deserve the best. I would think every American parent would agree.
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04:31 PM on 12/12/2010
How about this? My son's primary school has a "Shopping for Science" program. In order to get a science program at their school they have to compete by bringing in receipts from the local grocery store. If our children need science, and if this program is worthy, why are they not just getting the program?! Why do we have to "shop" for it? It's frustrating. Everything in this country doesn't have to be a market-driven gameshow!
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StinkyBush
Meet the new boss Same as the old boss
02:20 PM on 12/12/2010
Davis,

Perhaps your next movie could be "Waiting for Parenting". You might find all the answers that you sought in "Waiting for Superman".
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massjim
Dem? Repub? Is there a difference?
04:33 PM on 12/12/2010
Yeah, I agree. I'm a parent of a suburban school. Any parent-teachers night, concert, play ... crowds of parents are there. They're 'there' for the kids at home too, knowing what homework the kids have, helping out, expecting hard work.
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StinkyBush
Meet the new boss Same as the old boss
07:40 PM on 12/12/2010
Very nice to hear. I have only taught at poor schools and I love my kids. However, when my pay is determined by them, I get a little scared.

I hope your children are doing well and best of luck.
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MarcEdward
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09:34 PM on 12/12/2010
ROTFLOL
01:14 PM on 12/12/2010
I have been teaching for 20 years in the inner city and I love my job. Most of the comments are thoughtful and accurately reflect elements of this highly complex issue. In my classroom, the biggest problem that I have right now is lack of resources ($) and bureaucratic interference.

i just want to add one thing.

We can't separate ourselves from these problems. They represent who we are. Let's face it, as a country we are a mess. And everyone of us is accountable. Corruption in government, selfishness, greed, idolizing athletes with out equal regard for intellect, disregard for the natural world, not holding our leaders accountable, not making informed decisions, only caring how cheap things are, not how or where they were made, a crazed addiction to prescription drugs, ingesting massive amounts of chemicals in our "food". I could go on and on and on. And I don't for one minute believe that we are capable of making the changes necessary to fix all of this. BUT that doesn't for one second mean that I am giving up.

Make no mistake about it, education is our last and only hope.
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Kimpeach
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12:58 PM on 12/12/2010
The only group that saw this movie were the teachers and the teachers hated it because it didn't tell the whole story as to why education is in trouble. The only thing that Davis did was aligned himself with Bill Gates and Joe Klein (who sold out for a corporate job) and prove himself to be a "limousine liberal".

Like I always said, Finland has the best education system in the world and the teachers are treated with HIGH respect. Plus, parents and students (along with teachers) are held accountable for their education...teachers can't do it alone. Finland also doesn't rely on ONE TEST or data collection/anlaysis systems to prove their students's worth. I think its time that we as a nation admit we don't value education like we once did. Let's turn off the TV and make our kids study and help them to be the best they can be.
03:24 PM on 12/12/2010
well said and accurate.
sadly, such words fall on deaf ears when profit is concerned. and in this country, is it ever not concerned?
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cjaco
08:33 PM on 12/12/2010
Not to mention that Finland is 100% unionized
12:25 PM on 12/12/2010
I find it ironic that back in the 1950's, 60's, 70s, and 80's, the United States educational system was revered as one of the best in the world. Teaching then was an art. Teaching now is a science, bombarded by data collection and anlaysis systems, and an array of empirically-based best-practices curricula and instructional methodologies. The irony is that the United States is currently not revered as the best systems, but one of the worst. What happened? One would think that the USA should still be on top. When did the erosion begin, and what causual/correlational factors contributed to the erosion? Is the USA really one of the worst educational systems? Says who? Hopefully we are not taking the word of politicians who will say anything to forward their personal agenda. Are we the people being hoodwinked?

And, if the charter systems portrayed in Waiting for Superman are so stellar, those systems should be replicable in all schools, regardless of student/family SES, adapatibility, structure, stability, parenting style, or student mental health status. I fear that the bulk of the current education debate is politically charged, and hindered by politically correctness -- to the degree that the most adaptive remedies are still floating about looking for a real-time place to land. Remove the politics. Discover the cure. It is as simple and complex as that.
miloiki
sweet as can be
12:16 PM on 12/12/2010
It's the Teachers' UNIONS!!! They are the problem.
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Jeffrey Marks
12:44 PM on 12/12/2010
Do you have any research to back that up?
03:11 PM on 12/12/2010
Go to a public school and research how much it stinks.
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Kimpeach
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01:00 PM on 12/12/2010
Prove it! Most Southern states don't have unions and they have the worst educational systems in the country.
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kansasmagic
My micro-bio is empty. Should I be concerned?
08:23 PM on 12/12/2010
I was going to say something about Finland, but you already mentioned their successes above! One thing to add: 95% of Finland's teachers are in their union. http://www.oaj.fi/portal/page?_pageid=515,452376&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
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dixdarlin
12:04 PM on 12/12/2010
Denver a few days ago, can't afford 1$12.5 for k-12. Next article Signed Rockies player 51.5 million.
Teachers cut, Pfizr to pay Ex-Chief $4.5 millon in severence.
Educate the educable, train the trainable!
We are what we value!
08:23 AM on 12/12/2010
The problem is that schools are run and financed by politicians and bureaucrats rather than educators. Too many conflicts of interest.
01:16 AM on 12/12/2010
What i would like to know is just how did our educational system get into the mess it is in now?
I graduated highs school in 1966, and i thought i had the opportunity to get a fairly good education.
But , in the years since my high school graduation and eventually my college qraduation , boy , did things get messed up. My children , who are all grown and have lives of their own, seem to have done very wel lalso, so just what went wrong with the system?
01:28 AM on 12/12/2010
There are a lot of things wrong, but anyone who cares to put EFFORT into their learning can still learn in a public school - no matter what neighborhood it's in. I taught in a terrible neighborhood, but those who wanted and understood the value of a good education ( like many of our Asian immigrants, as well as local kids) did very well. Unfortunately, there are so many who just don't care to try.
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thecreeksedge
08:24 AM on 12/12/2010
You are right on. I remember when we took our middle child to the orthodontist. He photographed, x-rayed and otherwise examined Jeff and then called us together to explain three treatment options. He showed us around his practice and introduced us to his staff. Then he said we can and will do all that we can, but if you and Jeff do not do you part all the effort and expense will be wasted. He will only get straight teeth out of this if you and he follow the prescribed course of action every day.
If that is necessary to get straight teeth out of a very expensive and professional process, certainly the same must be true of learning. It will only happen if the student and the parent are actively and fully engaged. Schools, and especially teachers, can do everything possible, but in the end achievement comes from the learners engagement and effort.
This is not to absolve schools and educators who must do all they can to motivate that effort, but to put the entire responsibility on their shoulders without even discussing the importance of parent and student effort is just plain wrong.
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cydRN
10:50 AM on 12/12/2010
I think part of the problem is a general social disregard for the importance of education. There used to be a cultural expectation that children would learn and succed. Now there is an expectation that you just have to send your kid to school, and they will be taught manners, social contract and responsible behavior. Those last three items used to be taught in the home and reinforced in the community. I see that as a major roadblock in the educational process.

I speak frequently in high schools about birth control, STD's, responisble sexual behavior etc.. This is usually a two-day program. On the first day, I set guidelines: raise your hand, speak respectfully, ask all the questions you want. You would not believe the positive response I get from the kids. They seem grateful to have guidelines and limits. I wish I could publish the letters I get from them after I've left! They really appreciate having an educator who treats them respectfully and gives them truthful (non-sensational, non-judgemental) information to process.
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ReasonIsMyReligion
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02:20 AM on 12/12/2010
And how many other things have changed in society?

I dare say we need to look more broadly than just the educational system (and I thank you for using that phrase, as opposed to just "teachers.")
09:08 AM on 12/12/2010
Precisely. School reform is useless to talk about when we have so many social issues that need to be addressed.
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cydRN
10:54 AM on 12/12/2010
How do we reinforce the importance of the parental role in education?! Involved, motivated parents can make the difference in success or failure for their children. It's more than a grumbled, "You do your homework?". It's discussing what's being learned, it's recognition of hard work, it's being involved even when all you want to do is crawl under a blanket and watch TV. Teachers cannot teach alone. They need the family support of education also.