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Dean Baker

Dean Baker

Posted: April 12, 2010 10:28 PM

Attack Wall Street, Not Social Security

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Suppose our top generals described the growing threat from a hostile Middle East power. The country has tens of billions of oil dollars, a growing army, chemical and biological weapons, and is in the process of developing nuclear weapons. After carefully describing the risks posed by this country, our generals suggested an immediate attack on Canada. They explain that combating this Middle East country would be difficult, but defeating Canada is easy.

This is essentially the story of the latest attack on social security. Everyone who looks at the projections agrees; the scary budget stories being hyped in the media and by the Wall Street crew are driven almost entirely by projections of exploding health care costs. But instead of proposing ways to fix the health care system, these deficit hawks want to attack social security. They tell us that fixing health care is hard. By contrast they think that cutting money from social security will be relatively easy.

The facts on this are straightforward and known by everyone involved in the budget debate. The US health care system is broken. We pay more than twice as much per person as the average for other wealthy countries.

And it is projected to get worse. In three or four decades we are projected to pay three or four times as much per person for health care as people in countries like Germany and Canada. Since more than half of our health care is paid through public sector programs like Medicare and Medicaid, this explosion in health care costs will bankrupt the government if it actually occurs. Of course it will also devastate the private sector.

On the other hand, it is easy to show that if we contain health care costs then our budget problems are relatively minor. In fact, the current projections of enormous budget deficits two or three decades out would flip over to projections of enormous budget surpluses if our health care costs were comparable to those of any other wealthy country.

Logic would dictate that our top priority should be getting our health care costs under control. But fixing health care is difficult because, as we saw in the health care debate, this means confronting the health insurance industry, the pharmaceutical industry, the medical supply industry, highly paid medical specialists and other powerful lobbies.

The deficit hawks don't want to fight this fight. Defeating these powerful interest groups would be a hard fight. And for the deficit hawks it would likely be an especially painful fight since these are their friends.

By contrast, the Wall Street deficit hawks don't have friends who depend on social security for their income. Wall Street investment bankers like Peter Peterson and Robert Rubin are unlikely to associate with such people. This is why they see attacking social security as easy.

Of course attacking social security makes as much sense as our generals' plan to attack Canada. The Congressional Budget Office's projections show that the program can pay full benefits until the year 2044 with no changes whatsoever. Even after that date the program would always pay a higher benefit than what current retirees receive, even though somewhat less than the full scheduled benefits.

The long-term problem is not that anything improper has been done with the program; the reason that social security is projected to eventually face a shortfall is that future generations are projected to live longer than we do. This raises costs since our children and grandchildren are projected to enjoy longer retirements than we do. In short, there is no story of generational inequity here, contrary to what the Wall Street deficit hawks say.

If our deficit hawk generals are too scared to take on the health care industry then we also have to also make them too scared to take on social security. If we need to reduce the deficit the best place to start is a financial speculation tax. A modest set of financial transactions taxes, like the 0.5% tax on stock trades in the United Kingdom, can easily raise $150bn a year. This would go a long way toward addressing future budget shortfalls and it would raise money from people who can afford it: the Wall Street crew whose financial shenanigans led to the meltdown.

Federal Reserve board chairman Ben Bernanke recently suggested cutting social security because: "that's where the money is". That's not true, the real money is on Wall Street. Let's go get it.

 
 
 
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realitytrumpsbull
Two 'alves of coconut!
02:55 AM on 04/14/2010
How can the tax system/entitlement programs/stock market/economy/whatever be successfully restructured so as to improve the situation for all concerned? I think once you hit age 60, you should be tax-exempt, period. You should get 10% off on your groceries. You should be able to rely on Social Security, which means that the people in charge of that whole deal need to really manage the money well, and not go investing it on Wall St. or something where they can lose it all on behalf of the taxpaying public.

This country goes a trillion in the red every year. Why? What is the major problem with our country's financial system, that the people in charge of budget and so forth just can't bring themselves to say 'no'/
08:13 PM on 04/13/2010
Social security is basically a ponzi scheme.

The number of workers paying into the program was 6.1 per retiree in 1960; this declined to 3.2 in 2008 and is projected to decline to 2.1 by 2040.

Further, life expectancy continues to increase, meaning retirees collect benefits longer.
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super
11:17 PM on 04/13/2010
Well, if we'd just ignored health care reform, future generations will not live long enough to collect social security (not the poor and middle class anyway). Ergo, problem solved, republican style!
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12:27 AM on 04/14/2010
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The number of workers paying into the program was 6.1 per retiree in 1960; this declined to 3.2 in 2008 and is projected to decline to 2.1 by 2040.
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I keep hearing these numbers -- "Only 2 workers supporting the retirees by 2040."

What about after that?

Got any numbers for 2060? 2080?

The "Baby Boomer" generation was born between the years of 1946 and 1964. In 2040, the youngest of the Baby Boomers will be 76 years old, the oldest will be 94. SOME of these people would have died off by then; what will that do to the numbers?

It looks to me like the 2040 figures are a low point that will then go back to "normal" levels soon thereafter. Wasn't that what the "trust fund" was supposed to be for, anyway?
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Zimpod
Lemony fresh victory shall be mine!
07:56 PM on 04/13/2010
The Republicans aren't going to do anything that "bites the hand that feeds them".
08:13 PM on 04/13/2010
They don't have to, SS & Medicare are in the process of destroying themselves.
07:07 PM on 04/13/2010
Another good post from Dean.

Raiding social security & medicare using deficits as a Red Herring is "Shock Doctrine" in action. Why do conservatives want to do this "radical" thing while they don't want to change most of the other things (healthcare, income inequality etc). Yet another example of why conservatism is incoherent & contradictory and hence nothing good can come out of it.
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Guitarsandmore
devoted father, community activist, musician, reti
05:34 PM on 04/13/2010
I agree with Dean Baker, let's put a tax where the money is - Wall Street.
04:43 PM on 04/13/2010
Fish for worms not for fish!
04:39 PM on 04/13/2010
If we would just return to a more appropriate tax rate (circa 1960) problem solved. Or, we can devolve into mass unemployment, crumbling infrastructure, old people dying by the thousands in squalid conditions, and probably civil war. Choose
08:19 PM on 04/13/2010
So you believe that the Government has right to 70% of people's earnings?

Give me a break.

50% of Americans in 2009 paid NOTHING . . . 40% received more from the Government than they paid in . . .

Having 40% of Americans, and growing, on welfare is a terrible problem.
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super
11:19 PM on 04/13/2010
And among the 50% of "Americans" who paid NOTHING in 2009 remember to count EXXON!
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mr d
01:36 AM on 04/14/2010
There was a time when this was the case....I think these people were considered "The Greatest Generation."
Again, it is ironic that the focus in this country is the "bread crumbs" to the less fortunate, as opposed to the chunks of bread for the very well off.
04:33 PM on 04/13/2010
These false "deficit hawks" already succeeded in cutting Social Security, and many other safety-net social programs, thru repetitive tweaking of the formula used to calculate the official CPI-Consumer Price Index. Any low-moderate income person knows that inflation is not negative, as the official CPI currently shows. For seniors depending on SS and MC, the most realistic price index would show that prices on the most common, repetitively consumed items has risen, at minimum, 20% over the past 12-18 months.
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MeinNH
Ooooo Silly Me
06:05 PM on 04/13/2010
Exactly right.....those numbers are totally out of balance with the truth.
04:15 PM on 04/13/2010
"Logic would dictate that our top priority should be getting our health care costs under control. "

Why didn't Obamacare address costs? A tragic missed opportunity.
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katielady
04:35 PM on 04/13/2010
Well, Pablo, One reason is that in the last 10 years the problems that were dumped into this administration's lap were far more toxic than first realized and are going to be more difficult to resolve. HOWEVER: the biggest problem is that Congress doesn't want to pass decent bills or laws. They are in office for their own benefit and not for the welfare of the country. If they cared one whit about us, they would have already made health care policy and insurance available to those who fall into all those crevices and cracks.

Did anyone think of cost when I came to Iraq??? When has any country won or made a difference in the Middle East? That is an area ruled by religion, caste, family, tribe and bribery: always has been and always will. The previous administration and the father before introduced us to mercenaries.. who cost taxpayers more than we will ever comprehend.

I suggest we put many feet to the fire.. and make those who put us in this mess fiscally responsible for paying us back.. they worked for us and apparently stole from us..
04:41 PM on 04/14/2010
Yes, Congress doesn't want to propose good bills, like Single Payer, and neither does Obama, although years ago he admitted it was the right thing to do. If there is a bright side, it may be that health insurance reform was the beginning of a reform process, not the end. Schemes to improve cost control will continue to surface, because current costs are unsustainable.
07:48 PM on 04/13/2010
Absolutely. It was far more important to address costs with Obamacare than strengthen the current, disfunctional parts of the system.

Ignoring the why, this is WHY I will never vote for Obama or any of his camp followers again.
03:35 PM on 04/13/2010
Social Security is nothing but a ponzi scheme. I'd prefer to take the money that I EARNED and invest it myself.
If some people want to give the government their money for retirement let them. Let's give the people a choice. Afterall, aren't progressives all into that choice thing anyway?
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katielady
04:28 PM on 04/13/2010
well, Guy, not everyone is as lucky in earnings as you may be nor as clever, smart and ingenious in investing strategy.. Many of us were burned by advisers who put our years of savings into "low risk" mutuals because they weren't as clever as you seem to be.
07:14 PM on 04/13/2010
OMG.....you're missing the point. Don't you understand it's MY money? And excuse me but "luck" has nothing to do with the fact I EARNED it and should be able to do with it what I want. How nice of you to agree with government officials that they should have MY money and take it by force. Again, it's my retirement so I should decide what to do with my earnings. Does that even compute with you?
Who is "Guy" anyway?
05:47 PM on 04/13/2010
A true "Ponzi Scheme," FYI, does not have the backing of the United States of America. That's a big difference. You see, in a real "Ponzi Scheme" - as opposed to the mythical one you're trying to create - there is no one backing anything; so, yes, you could lose everything you have. We will only lose Social Security benefits if Wall Street and its lackeys succeed in divesting our government of the trust fund. So it would seem to be in our interest - if we've paid into the system - to resist the siren song of the "You can do it better yourself" con artists. You can't do it better yourself because there's no Uncle Sam standing behind you to guarantee your investment. See how quickly the "Ponzi Scheme" analogy evaporates when you look at it rationally?
07:17 PM on 04/13/2010
That's your argument: that we disagree about what a ponzi scheme is? Seriously, you've missed the freakin point. YES, I guarantee I can provide for my future much better than giving that responsibility to the government. It's truly sad many people think the government is their keeper.
Again, what about choice? Let those that want the government to "invest" in their future have it. I'd prefer it if I wasn't held at gunpoint by the government every paycheck.
03:34 PM on 04/13/2010
"since our children and grandchildren are projected to enjoy longer retirements than we do"

I not so sure about that. With childhood obesity at pandemic levels and the little lovely's sitting around playing video games all day. I'm sure the little fat asses won't beat us.

Go Boomers!!!!
03:29 PM on 04/13/2010
Yes, I agree, by all means "attack" Wall Street since they are the ones who bought and paid for our politicians.

Wall Street, banks, corporations and lobbyists have high-jacked our Democracy making our votes invalid.

They buy contact time with elected representatives to further their own personal agendas and personal interests which void our votes with their ability to put undue influence on elected officials.

Until the public makes it known they are tired of their greed and their attempts to influence our representatives it won't stop.

Wall Street acts like they aren't even part of America but they are the first with their hands out for a bailout or tax cuts.

Tax cuts to any corporation regardless of industry should come with strings attached to job creation.

If they can't act like Americans and provide the economy with jobs they should not be allowed to profit from downsizing, shipping jobs overseas, and taking American tax payer dollars.
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ScreenName05
03:35 PM on 04/13/2010
First you have to raise taxes, so that they are paying some, so that you could cut them. Part of the problem is that the big corporations in America do not pay taxes. If they did, we probably wouldn't be worrying about deficits right now.
03:27 PM on 04/13/2010
If the deficit hawks keep insisting on invading Canada, they are not really deficit hawks.They want to take money from ordinary people and to prevent the government from taxing the rich, which is where the money is.
02:58 PM on 04/13/2010
Thanks to Dean Baker for this succinct statement! Beyond the speculation tax, let's also advocate for raising - or eliminating - the cap on the amount of income subject to the taxes that support Social Security and Medicare. There is no justification for taxing the entire salary of an accountant at a big bank while the income of management is almost completely excluded from the tax.
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tonyinstpete
Retired university admin. still teaching
07:49 PM on 04/13/2010
Ex-diplomat is "spot on." about the need for removing the cap ($106,500) on social security (FICA) tax deductions. The Wall Street CEO making $20 million a year pays social security tax for the first few days of a year while average working and middle class Americans have it deducted all year or close to that. And, there is no social security tax on the "idle rich" who live off of dividends and interest. Furthermore, small businessmen on the payroll of their own small corporations pay a double social security tax..

I suspect most Americans are oblivious to the fact that high wage earners pay social security tax only for a short time each year. It is the most regressive tax around and Democrats (if they had any cajones or were not too obligated to corporate fat calfs themselves) should campaign to raise the cap on incomes. This could be a very popular/populist issue that could help split the lower socioeconomic realm of the Tea Party movement away from the Republicans!
02:07 PM on 04/13/2010
The last paragraph:
"Federal Reserve board chairman Ben Bernanke recently suggested cutting social security because: "that's where the money is". That's not true, the real money is on Wall Street. Let's go get it."

Indeed.

But funny you should mention health "care" reform in your article without mentioning the precedent it is setting:
Mandated financial services - propping up an unsustainable private industry (the health insurance industry) with taxpayer subsidies. An old "Republican" concept, those mandates, put into action by a Repub-, excuse me, Democratic executive branch. Ben Bernanke, an old Bush appointee, put back into play. What they really want to do is redirect those automatic deductions to WS for them to gamble.
They will promise you big returns, but crash and burn is what you'll get. Americans can barely manage their "mortgage" - as we've seen. A BASIC investment in most cases. WS KNOWS that they have no rules, being essentially unregulated and they are READY TO FLEECE you.

In short sightedness, there is your groundwork for the filthy WS financiers getting their hands on Social Security (no matter HOW health care is reformed or changed from this point on - that precedent is still there).