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The French Philosophy On Love And Sex

Posted: 02/15/2012 8:36 am

Many years ago I was in a park in Paris with a girl named Sandrine who was pining away for a boy named Pierre. She picked a flower and started pulling off its petals, but rather than the familiar refrain "He loves me, he loves me not," she carefully intoned: "He loves me a little, a lot, passionately, madly, not at all."

I instantly thought that Sandrine was one clever French girl until I learned that, no, this is the standard French refrain. This is how the French are groomed to think about love from an early age: not in the absolutes of total love or utter rejection, but in nuances and a range of possibilities. It dawned on me at that moment that while we Americans are groomed to seek happy endings and closure, the French are more comfortable with emotional subtleties and ambiguity. While we grow up thinking about love in black and white, they grow up inscrutably grey.

As post 50s swell the ranks of the online dating market looking for love, this French flower metaphor takes on new luster that merits reflection. God knows we've lived long enough to question some of our more tenacious love clichés. Still, some of them persist, like the idea that finding enduring happiness is possible with a soul mate or perfect partner, if only we look hard enough and consider the right variables. Unfortunately, the teeming array of dateable humanity available online offers the promise that Mr. Right may be lingering right on the next page view.

The pursuit of happiness is written into our Declaration of Independence, after all, and the pursuit of the Happy Ending (ideally with that soul mate) is written into our culture. Both continue to have a vice grip on our hearts. Despite divorce rates and all signs of trouble in paradise, we often feverishly invest in the hunt for a mate and, once found, in the business of marriage (the wedding, the blitz, the bling).

This stands in stark contrast to the French, who not only prefer to cohabitate rather than marry, but are also wary of perfection. "If anything looks too good to be true," my French friend Marie-Louise once said, "it probably is." They also believe that personal love is a matter of private business, which goes a long way toward explaining the shock Marie-Louise expressed when she stumbled on the wedding announcements in the style section of The New York Times for the first time. "The only time you see announcements published like this in France is if royalty married, or if you are in a tiny village where everyone knows everyone else and the butcher's daughter is marrying the mayor's son," she said. "America is like one big European province."

Publicly trumpeting true love and the hope of enduring happiness in this way is suspect to the French, because every expression of true love (he loves me!) holds the possibility of its counterpart (he loves me not!). And isn't that the hidden allure of reading wedding announcements? "The straight woman's sports pages" is how Carrie Bradshaw described them in Sex and the City, and she got it right. We may read them out of sheer curiosity, peppered with sprinkles of envy. But we might also read them for the lush perversion of wondering, despite the perfect happiness that radiates from each photo, when these couples might unravel at the seams. If we're interested in the thrill of victory, we're equally compelled by the agony of defeat that seems to linger implicitly behind any image of perfection. How else to account for our interest in celebrity marriages and divorces? The reality, of course, lies somewhere in that messy landscape between love and rejection, happiness and sadness. In other words, the reality lies in those grey zones.

The French also understand that what creates chemistry and ignites passion has very little, if anything, to do with the factors and algorithms of online dating. So, apparently, do two professors of social psychology who explored the algorithms of online dating web sites and laid out the following conclusions in a New York Times Op-Ed piece: First, the information that these algorithms collect, which might seem concrete and black-and-white (your taste in film or music, your religious or ethnic persuasion, whether you fly-fish or bungee-jump), in fact "accounts for only a tiny slice of what makes two people suited for a long-term relationship."

Furthermore, the forms of similarity advertised by dating sites "provide a meager foundation for an enduring relationship." Finally, according to two extensive studies reviewed, similarity on personality traits and attitudes "accounted for a mere 0.5 percent of how satisfied spouses were with their marriages, leaving the other 99.5 percent to other factors."

So what's going on with that other 99.5%? It's the grey zone -- the intangible, emotional, irrational -- and for the French, everything is in these grey zones. To use a hackneyed but true cliché, it's not the destination that counts but the journey. The emotional integrity of a relationship can lie in the experience of it alone and not necessarily in its outcome or ultimate resolution. In other words, there's a very French willingness to accept that a relationship might not necessarily go anywhere in particular -- no closure, no marriage -- but that it still might be an essential and necessary experience of love and being human.

"He loves me a little, a lot, passionately, madly, not at all."

 
 
 

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03:41 PM on 02/19/2012
PS - where was the French Sex? I missed it? I saw a foreign movie of, Lady Chatterley's Lover... The only thing I got out of it was, each time they had sex they took off a little more clothing. Is that how the French do it?
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QuietProfessional
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02:09 PM on 02/19/2012
Marriage is a hindrance. I love the way men in France can be men, moving easily from one love --especially an aging, faded love -- to a fresher love and not be pilloried for it. Or maintain a mistress. In French cinema, the plot always resolves with an older, 50-something man finding renewed happiness with the 20-something woman who somehow shows up on his doorstep.

You may call it chauvanism. I call it enlightenment.

Vive la Fance!
Bianca S
You can't go trick-or-treating. Ever. For a week
03:44 PM on 02/19/2012
I call it living in a fantasy world. Young, beautiful women aren't packages that show up your at doorstep and *expecially* not for 50+ year old men. Young women don't want stale old men either and if they do, it's because they're after his money.

Vive la réalité!
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QuietProfessional
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11:18 AM on 02/20/2012
What? French cinema isn't for real?
09:42 AM on 02/20/2012
I think you have mistaken your own fantasies for the French way!

The only thing that resolves with a 50-something man finding happiness with a 20-something woman is that yet another man has evaded taking responsibility for his own issues around aging.

But that being said, I'll indulge my own fantasies a little, and point out that it is also the 'French way' for a 50-something woman to take up with a 20-something man. Vive la France.
Al Schrader
Don't limit your potential
10:26 AM on 02/19/2012
That aint it. It's French Fries, French Toast, French Onion Soup, French Dip, French Dressing, French Bread.
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Seiena Cyrus
08:06 AM on 02/19/2012
To be honest, the French have their own culture and that lends to success in things like grey zone affections. However those ideologies are false in a culture like ours which is goal oriented. We set goals and that's how we live achieving our goals and getting satisfaction out of those achievements. When we don't follow that road we're left behind because our culture doesn't work that way. It doesn't make our culture wrong. It doesn't make our culture not get it. It makes our culture our own. Tribes have always had their own culture. I highly suspect that if you didn't like your current culture you moved to the tribe that believed as you believe. So to that end. If you want France's culture move to France. There's no reason to tell someone their culture is wrong, find a new one and go there.
11:29 AM on 02/24/2012
Very well said. :)
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Ma Grady
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08:01 AM on 02/19/2012
We love the French because of their kissing. A kiss is not a kiss unless it is a "French Kiss". And they gave us the use of our tongue for sex too.
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07:58 AM on 02/19/2012
This article said nothing about sex....
07:52 AM on 02/19/2012
Hooray!! Finally. people who understand that some things are meant to be PRIVATE.
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07:50 AM on 02/19/2012
Do you know what I like best about the French? There kisses, there fires, and there toast.
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dbrockskk
02:34 PM on 02/29/2012
"their"
07:41 AM on 02/19/2012
A "vice" grip? Really?
07:31 AM on 02/19/2012
While I lived in Paris for many years, I experienced one great online dating site that was fantastic and free for women, but it sadly sold to a bigger corp and it ever was the same again. On the old dating site . for each women they must have been 100 more men. Your box was never empty. How you worded your presentation was most important. On my last profile I got over 500 replies (no photo and no job description, which would have tripled the amount of replies). I met my dates at different spots in the city, cafes or restaurants.. I was a lot of fun. Just to go out and meet someone new, for a couple of hours in Paris, sitting a cafe on a nice afternoon was rather nice. Of course public transportation is quick and easy. I found the men easy to talk to and pleasant. But then, one day, the ONE entered my life: quiet type, tall, slim, blond and blue eyed, ever so polite, sporty and refined and he also had class. An amazing chemistry went through us, a passionate affair took place. We spent wonderful dinners in Paris - he always paid! I left the country, we kept in touch and I saw him again during my several annual visits. It has been 10 years and the magic still endures. Incredibly, my heart still beats like crazy when I am soon to see him again. We never made plans for a future.
07:30 AM on 02/19/2012
The difference is if you think that a partner is going to make you happy or if you make yourself happy. If your happiness depends on someone else's love, you will be crushed if it doesn't work out. If you are happy within yourself and a love is an added bonus, if it doesn't work out you're disappointed but not devastated. Love from the adolescent years up until I got married was always the same...complete happiness at the beginning to utter heartbreak at the end. After my divorce when I was a little older, I approached love in a completely different way. It was more of a "whatever" attitude. I had completed myself and was happy with myself where another person didn't define me.
06:56 AM on 02/19/2012
Nice article but I wanna get something off my chest...

About 15% of Americans have a French ancestor and a larger percentage are descended from the European mainland. I'm tired of hearing about the French like they're some alien culture with exotic customs. I felt very much at home visiting France AND England and I know many French who love being here. The "grey zone" as you call it is just a mature way of looking at things and is common attitude amongst educated people everywhere.
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dixiebird333
05:57 AM on 02/19/2012
I think its funny how half the french men over there are called Pierre lol.
Kalifornicated
my micro-bio is still empty
01:21 PM on 02/19/2012
That's just what they told you. ; )
05:19 AM on 02/19/2012
If the article about French people says that the French prefer to live together rather than marry--how to they reconcile this with the heavily Roman Catholic Church membership in France?
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06:07 AM on 02/19/2012
1st: France is a secular state though most people are catholics - and christian practice is
2nd: French people are "Romanic" not "Germanic" - and that means a rather different way of life ... and that means (amongst others):
3rd: the pope is fare away .. :-)
07:14 AM on 02/19/2012
Catholicism is more of a culture than a religion. In fact one could argue that this is true about most religions. I don't mean to dismiss dogma completely but I think culture shapes religion more than the other way around. The French value their culture and many of their church's traditions but they're closer to American mainline Catholic and Protestant attitudes than they are to the Evangelicals.
04:14 AM on 02/19/2012
Once again there is something wrong with how Americans do things. I have never been to France, I did attend school with an foreign exchange student from France. She claimed they are taught that the United States lost WW2 to Japan, which is the opposite of what our history has recorded.
05:27 AM on 02/19/2012
To flilguy:

No wonder people seem to have such misinformation about things and don't seem to know the truth about actual and true historical events (and this includes anonymous e-mail senders).
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06:08 AM on 02/19/2012
... or that girl slept during history lesson ...
06:33 AM on 02/19/2012
*smirk* Methinks you got "punked".
Actually, some of the exchange students my family hosted were teaching us some of their language. We got suspicious about exactly what we were being taught, and suggested we should talk to their parents next time they phoned, so we could show how well they had taught us their language. The look of pure horror on their faces told us all we needed to know! GOTCHA!

There is also the real possibility the student did not know English well enough. One of the Brazillian exchange students had a teacher ready to call in the authorities for having rats in the house where they were staying. It turns out Brazillian Portugese doesn't seem to have the words for mouse or mice, just rat. We had the same trouble with lemons and limes - supposedly Brazil doesn't have lemons, just limes, and the kids couldn't tell us what the 'lemon' word was.
Keep in mind what they tell you is limited by their vocabulary...
01:27 AM on 02/20/2012
Well at the time I took it with a grain of salt, it seems we won battle, but yet they won the war. Forward twenty some years, I now work for a company and their biggest customers are Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc.