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Talking To Children About Evil

Posted: 01/26/10 01:54 PM ET

My daughter came home from school yesterday and told me that her best friend had a "hate list."

"What's that?" I asked.

"It's a list of all the people in the world that she hates."

"Don't make one yourself," I said quickly. "That's not nice."

"Yeah, but I only have one person on it," she responded.

"I don't care. You'll hurt someone's feelings."

She looked up at me, wide-eyed. "But it's Hitler."

Pause.

At first - of course - I laughed. But then I kept on thinking about it and I realized that not everyone would find it funny that their six-year-old knew about Hitler. I remember once writing a post about talking to your kids about death, which dealt with my (failed) attempts to explain death in any meaningful and convincing way to my then five-year-old daughter. The post also touched upon our family visit to The Anne Frank House in Amsterdam. And I got more than a few comments from people who thought that it was really bad parenting on my part to have exposed such a young child to the Holocaust. As one woman wrote in the comments section: "I think we have a parental duty to protect children from even knowing about the worst aspects of evil."

Do we?

In my case, my husband is Jewish, we've been to Israel as a family and my nine-year-old could practically write a book on World War II at this point. So somehow I don't really think that we could hide the Holocaust from my daughter, even if we wanted to. But I also feel strongly that the Holocaust is quite recent world history. And at some point children need to know that the Holocaust happened in order to comprehend its magnitude and horror and very possibility, if for no other reason than to guard against it happening again.

But the Holocaust isn't the only evil we've talked about with our kids. I moved to London three-and-a-half years ago, the day before a group of home grown British terrorists were arrested for a "liquid bomb plot" at Heathrow airport. The next day, as we tried to settle our new home/country/life, there were TVs on everywhere we went. People were jittery. My then five-year-old son asked me what was going on. Should I have lied to him? Perhaps. But I didn't.

As I wrote about subsequently, 9/11 and all that has come since has permanently changed the way Westerners perceive and experience terrorism. It's no longer something that happens "over there." It is woven into the very fabric of our daily lives through things like threat levels (ours just went up to "severe"), how much freedom of speech is permissible at universities, even what kinds of liquids we can bring on board an airplane. Living - as we now do - in that sort of environment alters the equation for what kids need to become aware of at an early age.

You could also extend this line of argument to encompass natural disasters like the recent earthquake in Haiti (while understanding that this is a very different form of tragedy.) Is it distressing for a six-year-old to learn that 150,000 people just died in an earthquake because they happened to live in the wrong place at the wrong time? Sure it is. But my daughter and I have talked about Haiti too. Whether that's to make her appreciate just how fortunate she is or to begin to teach her about charitable giving, it's a worthwhile lesson, IMHO.

So, at the end of the day? I'm totally down with the I hate Hitler list.

But how about you? When do you think we ought to begin discussing the reality of "unnatural" deaths with our children? And are there certain topics that ought to remain taboo?

 

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My daughter came home from school yesterday and told me that her best friend had a "hate list." "What's that?" I asked. "It's a list of all the people in the world that she hates." "Don't make one ...
My daughter came home from school yesterday and told me that her best friend had a "hate list." "What's that?" I asked. "It's a list of all the people in the world that she hates." "Don't make one ...
 
 
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nikanj
free the fnords
05:54 PM on 01/27/2010
I ran with a pretty wild bunch as a young adult and, since some of the guys rode their motorcycles as
if they were courting sudden death, one day the topic of conversation turned to that subject. When I said that I didn't want to die an 'unnatural death' as the result of a motorcycle 'accident', one young man responded with something I have never forgotten : "As far as I'm concerned, all death is natural" he said.
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amyhasopinions
plotter of world peace
12:38 PM on 01/27/2010
My 6 year old niece just wrote a letter to Obama outlining to him exactly how to save the world. In part, she suggested Obama let her build a cage to house all the poachers and terrorists in the whole world, along with a gigantic bag made by huge muscle men in which to place all the guns and weapons. Then Obama should have NASA build a spaceship to carry the cage of bad people and bag of bad stuff into outer space.

And then she closed with the slightly off topic rant of: "Then the world will be saved and the animals will be saved and the alligator farms wil be closed and no more animal cruelty for the world."

My sister in law has no idea how she knows the word terrorist or about guns and stuff, but she does. And they concern her. Kids figure stuff out even when we try to shield them from it, because they're innately curious about the world and--if they've been raised properly--concerned about other people and how they feel, how they're making it from day to day. This is a GOOD thing.

I think you sound like a great mom. :-)
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Delia Lloyd
American journalist/blogger based in London
04:52 AM on 01/28/2010
Thanks for this Amy. I love your daughter's world vision! (esp about the alligators!) It is amazing what children pick up on and file away and try to manage in their own way. We can't shield them from very much so we may as well try to help them comprehend the world in all its parts...
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Bluelynx
10:32 AM on 01/27/2010
Absolutely, tell them the truth before the truth bites them. There is evil in the world and they need to understand that.
There is also a learning opportunity: discuss how and why earthquakes occur. Once understood, it won't be so scary.
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Delia Lloyd
American journalist/blogger based in London
04:52 AM on 01/28/2010
Funny-we are going to watch a BBC program on earthquakes today for precisely that reason!
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Ljilja
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09:00 AM on 01/27/2010
I have always believed that it is important to be honest with children, but also to remember their age level and maturity. What is right for one child might not be right for another. I try to be open minded and sensitive.
http://graciouslivingdaybyday.com/
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TheRealThunderMonkey
03:38 PM on 01/26/2010
The general rule that I operate with my kids (10 and 8) is that if they ask the question, I'll be straight-forward as possible.

The only thing we (the wife and I haven't broached) is sex and Santa Claus. They still believe in Santa, because there still needs to be magic in the world and ... perhaps the same for sex. Hmmm....
12:38 PM on 01/27/2010
Ditto. If my 7-year-old son asks, we discuss. We often have impromptu lessons on the computer on questions where I don't know all the answers. He's an intelligent boy so I know what he'll understand and accept. He has two cousins - one a year older and one a year younger - and their parents keep them in bubbles. They actually find Disney movies scary.

I'm dreading the day he finds out about Santa though - we need our magic in today's world . . .
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Delia Lloyd
American journalist/blogger based in London
04:54 AM on 01/28/2010
Yes I also want my kids to hang onto Santa as long as possible...my 6 year old still clings to this idea, despite her 9 year olds admonishments to the contrary. I'm hoping we can hang on for another year!

Thanks to everyone for the thoughtful comments.