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Denise Dennis

Denise Dennis

Posted: September 16, 2008 01:32 PM

Women -- Repubs, Dems, Hillaryites -- Speak-Out For Obama-Biden



When John McCain campaigned at the Reading Terminal Market in downtown Philadelphia on September 10, he was greeted by a vociferous crowd of protesters carrying signs and shouting, "O-ba-ma," so loudly that he could not hear his own voice. Among the supporters was a woman in her sixties carrying a sign that was almost as big as she was and that featured the photo of McCain embracing George W. Bush and the words, "No more of the same." Later, I stood on a street corner and talked with the woman and her friend, a Republican, also in her sixties and also supporting Obama-Biden. Both women represent the demographic McCain hopes to capture by adding Palin to the ticket -- white women over fifty. After talking with them, I decided to seek out and interview more women in this demographic who support Obama and listen to their perspectives on the election, the issues that matter to them, and what they have to say to other women. I sent out a request to a small band of women who passed it to others. The response was more than I'd expected and I can't fit all of them into one post. So, for the moment, I am including the perspectives from two of the many women who shared their thoughts with me. Such is the political climate in the United States today that both of the women featured here prefer that I not use their real names. We now live in a country where citizens who disagree with the government fear reprisal.

Sloane is a 61-year-old professor of nursing in New Jersey and married. A native of Wyoming, she was a Republican, supported Hillary in the primaries, and is voting for Obama. Explaining that she was a Republican when the GOP was fiscally conservative, she says, "The current Republican Party has destroyed the country economically," adding that, "The religious right now owns the GOP."

The stakes in this election, she says, are too high for women to allow themselves to be blinded by anger that makes them vote against their best interests. "When Hillary was defeated, I was sad for one day," Sloane says, "and then I got over it and threw my support to Obama."

She is most concerned about women's rights in this election. "As go women's rights, so go children's rights," she points out, and the next justices appointed to the Supreme Court will have a major impact on women and children. One more conservative justice could tip the balance of the court even more than the current, fragile 5/4 split. "I don't care how religious you are, or how anti-choice you are -- the problem is when you position yourself so that you are forcing your positions on us," she said of the anti-choice justices on the Court." The next president will also appoint justices to district and circuit courts.

Sloane points out that women born after 1973 were born with reproductive rights; they don't know what it would be like to not have them. This means they were born with access to accurate information about anatomy and physiology, about STDs, human sexuality, and personal responsibility; access to birth control (where abstinence is an option, but not the only one); and access to termination of pregnancy options. "If Roe v. Wade is overturned, women will not own their own bodies," Sloane explains, "And if you don't own your body, you don't own your destiny -- you're not in the game. Everything else, like education and employment, becomes secondary." She points out that the percentage of abortions since 1973 has not changed -- but the safety of them has changed a great deal and for the better. Sloane believes Sarah Palin is taking women backward. Most women are not fortunate enough to have the economic means to rear five children and work full time because not every woman has a stay-at-home husband and staff. "We are fighting for our lives in this election," Sloane explains passionately.

She does not understand fellow Hillary supporters who now say they will vote for McCain-Palin just because they are angry with the media. Why punish themselves and other women for what they perceive as media bias? "I hope other Hillary supporters liked her for her policies and the way she wanted to change the world," Sloane says. "Obama stands for the same policies and changes. He will be a leader with the intelligence, grace, compassion and empathy we need right now." She adds emphatically, "Any Hillary supporter who turns to McCain-Palin dishonors Hillary and everything she stands for."

Rebecca is 60, married, and a Philadelphia lawyer and writer. She, too, is concerned about the justices the next president will appoint to district, circuit and the Supreme Court, but not because of their impact on Roe v Wade alone. Under the Bush administration, Rebecca explains, the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution have been compromised, the Ninth, which applies to Roe, is under threat, and the separation of church and state is in jeopardy. McCain is certain to appoint more conservative justices.

"It is important to have district and circuit court justices more diverse in their opinions than they have been during the past eight years," she explains, "the Supreme Court is the court of last resort." Because so many of the justices currently on the court are older and will be leaving, and with the 5/4 decisions so close, whoever replaces them will have a monumental impact on the Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments and the separation of church and state. She points out that the Fourth Amendment, which is the right of the people to be protected against unreasonable searches and seizures, has already eroded under the Patriot Act.

Rebecca expressed dismay and outrage over the "amazingly divisive and mocking way" Sarah Palin, at the Republican convention, said Obama, "wants to read them their rights." Palin was in fact mocking the Fifth and Sixth Amendments to the Constitution that guarantee one's right against self-incrimination, to be informed of one's rights when arrested and accused of a crime, and ensures that everyone is aware of his or her right to counsel. The fact that Palin would ridicule these basic, fundamental rights should frighten every American citizen. "Anyone of us would want to know that we can call a lawyer if we are accused of a crime," Rebecca says, "because in the United States everyone is innocent until proven guilty."

"As a Jewish woman -- as an American citizen -- the separation of church and state is important to me," Rebecca says. "This country was founded on religious freedom... I don't want people running the country who have a mission to convert me." She says she wants religion to stay out of government and government to stay out of religion, which has worked well for over two-hundred years. Rebecca is amazed that there are Jewish voters who believe the viral e-mails about Obama and are afraid to vote for him because they think he is a Muslim.

"Jewish women who are afraid of Obama don't understand that they are responding to propaganda," Rebecca explains, "As a lawyer, if someone were to tell me he was a Muslim, I'd say, "Prove it." In fact, she says, "Under an Obama administration I'll feel much more secure that I don't live in a country that imposes a state religion."

The federally enforced right to privacy, which according to Justice William O. Douglas writing in 1973, "is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy," is especially significant to Rebecca. "In 1966, when I came home from college, I read in a newspaper item that a friend I'd known in elementary school had died in a backroom abortion," she explains. I feel strongly about this because now, if a woman chooses to have an abortion, she doesn't have to die for it. If we reverse Roe v Wade, more women will resort to coat hangers and other desperate measures -- and some will die."

When women-- when all voters -- step into the voting booth in November, Rebecca advises that they think carefully about the issues that affect them and their families including the amendment rights outlined above, freedom of religion, and a beloved daughter or granddaughter's right to choose if faced with an unwanted pregnancy. "Hillary's supporters," Rebecca says, "should look at these issues and remember what is really important in this election -- it is about more than loyalty to one person."

"Sarah Palin's views on the issues from basic rights, to opposing abortion for victims of rape and incest, to opposing equal pay for women -- are as far from feminist as she can get," says Rebecca. "Just because someone is a woman doesn't mean she's deserving of support from all women... It is sexist to not hold Palin to the same standard to which we hold male candidates. If we really think women are equal to men under the law, then we should be able to criticize a female candidate as freely, thoroughly and strongly as we would a male candidate."


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When John McCain campaigned at the Reading Terminal Market in downtown Philadelphia on September 10, he was greeted by a vociferous crowd of protesters carrying signs and shouting, "O-ba-ma," so loud...
When John McCain campaigned at the Reading Terminal Market in downtown Philadelphia on September 10, he was greeted by a vociferous crowd of protesters carrying signs and shouting, "O-ba-ma," so loud...
 
 
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06:34 PM on 09/19/2008
I think there will be a lot of women who supported Hillary Clinton but will not vote for a black man. Not much you can do to change their way of thinking.

I was very disappointed when Hillary lost and I was mad at Obama for defeating her. I said I would not vote at all. But this may be a close election. And the more I see of McCain, the more I realize that he is not very bright, he has a bad disposition, and he is totally out-of-touch. Not only that, but his suggestion of privatizing Social Security scares me to death because I am a 58 year-old female, and have no retirement to fall back on when I turn 65.

I truly believe Barack Obama will make a good President. He has compassion, intelligence and the kind of temperament it takes to communicate effectively with leaders of other countries.

Not only that, but with a Democratic President AND a Democratic Congress, Senator Hillary Clinton will be able to bring to fruition some of the great ideas she has to help make our country a better place for all of us.
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Awakenedcitizen
02:18 AM on 09/19/2008
vincie-pls read this:


Senator McCain

Legislative history: 26 years in Congress; 22 as a US Senator, four as a Representative

Accomplishments:
• Authored fewer than a half-dozen major laws.
• Most significant was the landmark 2002 McCain-Feingold campaign-finance reform bill.
• Other important work: Paved the way, with John Kerry, in 1995 for normalization of relations with Vietnam.

Analysis:
Newsweek reported: “Given his claims of two decades of ‘making change,’ his record of legislative achievement is surprisingly thin. Nothing big on the economy, education, health care, law enforcement or other major issues. One reason for the sparse record is McCain's history of unpopularity with his GOP Senate colleagues. Being labeled a ‘maverick’ sounds good to the public but makes it hard to get bills passed. Besides helping pave the way for some judicial nominees in 2005, he isn't known for forging bipartisan deals that stick.”

Attendance:
History of missing more votes (63.8%) than any other Senator in the 110th Congress.

Education:
Entered Naval Academy on Special Appointment based on family academy graduates; graduated #894 of 899 in his class.

Behavioral style:
Quick temper, curses at fellow Senators, makes off-the cuff remarks that get him in trouble such as “bomb, bomb, bomb Iran”.
09:54 PM on 09/17/2008
I am a Hillary voter that has no intention of voting for Obama. Obama never ran against anyone, he is slick. He got all the candidates to be disqualified when he ran for the senate in Illinois. He was running against the republican for the US senate and all of a sudden that mans divorce papers, which where sealed, came out. He ran against Hillary in the primary, all of a sudden the Clintons were racists. This man has never done anything that qualifies him to be president, in fact he only does things for himself. Read his history, and see just what this man is. He is a wolf in sheep clothing. He uses everyone. I feel sorry for black america when they find out just what this man is. I sincerely hope he doesn't become president. What did he do in Chicago, the answere is nothing. Its still the politically dirtiest town in the country. What did he do for Illinois, the answer is he asked for and got over 800 millions dollars in earmarks. What record does he have in the senate, the answer is none. How many bills did he write, the answer is none. This empty suit wants to be President. God Bless America.
04:00 AM on 09/18/2008
Actually, he's done at least ONE thing to qualify him to be president: he had around 18 million people VOTE for him...in America, that's the only qualification you're REQUIRED to have. But beyond that, he's brilliant, he seriously considers every option before making serious decisions, he's run the smoothest prolitical campaign in American history...EVER, he doesn't treat voters like they're stupid (i.e. choose a woman VP just to get more votes, rather than choose the person he believes he'll be most efficient to GOVERN with, etc.

These are just some of the reasons I have no doubt he's qualified. Qualified isn't about experience, it's about intelligence, knowledge and understanding of issues, temperament, judgement, organization, broad-scale thinking (not just about tomorrow, but about many years ahead), and yes, it's even about being ABLE to inspire millions of people who never cared about voting before in their life to actually give a damn and believe that they matter and thatt they can make a different. That's why this 38 year-old white woman was one of those who voted for him. The only one I feel sorry for is folks like you who are so convinced, for whatever reason, that he is nothing but a user and a person to be despised. Considering you don't even know him, it's sad that you seem to have so much unfounded disgust for him.
06:27 AM on 09/18/2008
I wasn't to thrilled when Hilary lost either. I then had to look at the bigger picture and see what would happen if McCain and Palin won. This particular ticket is not for women at all and I do not want to ignore all the progress women before me made because of my anger. I also do not want someone telling me that if I am not in this particular religious belief, that I am wrong. We have been under the Republicans for 8 years in the White House and 6 in Congress. Do you love your country or do you love your hatred more? I am saddened that in all this chaos, there are people like you that would seek revenge at the cost of future generations as it pertains to women. I have two young girls, and I want them to have the same rights as men do. My little girls deserve someone who is willing to fight for their rights. Palin just does not do that and neither does McCain.
06:54 PM on 09/17/2008
I love this.... As women, we need to take a stand. There is no way this election should be this close. I just helped my grandmother register for the first time in her life so she can vote for Obama.

It's not a game....
05:59 PM on 09/17/2008
For women who know Hillary supporters who are still holding out, read this:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/newt-chapin/how-to-appease-hillary-su_b_127144.html

Can the Democratic Party finally unite?
01:47 PM on 09/17/2008
I am very proud of all the ladies that posted here. It is nice to see women banding together, once again, for a good cause.
10:34 AM on 09/17/2008
I was reading some where that people in general are going through such hard times and the world seems to be caving in on most. High gas, high cost of food etc... The article went on to say that the truth is that most people are just one step away from a breakdown mentally because of all that is going on. The article says that many people use their relegion as a means of keeping their sanity, and this is the very thing that keeps them from loosing it, in these very stressful times. The truth of the matter is that very thing that they use to keep them sane is actually driving them further into the situations that they DO NOT WANT!!!. I am one of them. I had to think about the article w/o being defensive and it is so true.

I wish I had saved the link to the article I mean it had some truth to it, and it made sense to me.

I am pleased to see the young women on here that have talked with their mothers and made a diffrence. I mean that leaves HOPE that people can be changed if they know the truth.
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toochie50
10:26 AM on 09/17/2008
Regarding McCain stopping the troopergate investigation:

This is outrageous,the Investigator should threaten to reveal all the evidence he has accumulated so far,including the phone recordings if the republicans and Alaska's Attorney General try to stall or end the investigation.For Christ's sake, Bill Clinton had to testify at his impeachment trial (for an unimpeachable offense) and he was President of the USA,what the heck is this? And since the republicans under John McCain are now spearheading the efforts to quash or stall the hearings,the democrats need an AD asking Shara Palin "What is it you are hiding? we must know if you want to be the Vice President and possibly President of the USA". Democrats don't BLINK!! This a matter of TRUST.

Obama - Biden 08......... People you can trust and believe in!!
10:00 AM on 09/17/2008
We women are not stupid. McCain's pick of Palin is insulting to women. McCain's interference with Troopergate investigations and cosseting her from reporters until he can push them both into office is unacceptable.

As Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen." That applies to all genders.
Biden has a responsibility to nail her in the debates.

I am a female military veteran.
How dare McCain refuse to sign the GI Bill into law?
How dare he refuse to sign the bill that would give women equal pay for equal work?
How dare he pretend he likes women when he spits on our right to own their own bodies?
How dare he call his wife C**T, a wife abuser's language, and then expect women to vote fror him?
How dare he assume Hillary supporters will vote for Palin just because . . .

"Bomb,bomb,bomb Russia" Palin as President? The Rapture Palin as President? The No exception for rape or incest Palin?

A republican male historian said to me yesterday : "Palin is very scary. I'm so sorry I can't' vote for McCain -- I think he's a great man -- but I can't vore for him now with Palin.."

Former POW says McCain is "not cut out to be President"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70

The voice of a Medal of Honor recipient.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYXCplJN1uo
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Pupadup4oBama
04:51 AM on 09/17/2008
The past couple of weeks I have passed by two high schools and I saw the same woman - older woman in her 70's perhaps, carrying a huge poster size board of an "aborted fetus" and a red t-shirt w/ white letters that say Pro-Life.
Obviously she is trying to get her message across to teens....however, I would love to say to her 2 things.
First of all, ask her if she thinks the war in iraq is a good thing...if she were to say yes, my response would be, then you are not pro-life, you are anti-choice.
Second thing I would like to say to her...don't you think your message would get across better if you talked to teens about the consequences of having sex too early, the difficult decision getting an abortion actually is and that decision will last you the rest of your life, and perhaps teach them that if they are GOING to have sex...they should be educated and protected.
I think we all know what her answers would be - very sad indeed.
10:51 PM on 09/16/2008
I am really not sure how we can debate Sarah Palin's views yet. She has told me NOTHING abouut what she is going to do when in office besides "reform things" so I'm blank on that. But if her previous record holds, then I guess this is all valid.

Down with Palin!
10:16 PM on 09/16/2008
Wow, this has been by far the best bit of information I have read regarding the pros/cons of voting for either Obama or McCain. I support Obama, I have from day one, I hope this post makes the rounds because it really should open the eyes of many, many women who feel they need to vote for Palin because she is a woman. It would be great to have a woman President or VP, but Palin is not that women. I like Hillary Clinton, she is so bright and would have made a great President, but I guess this was not here time and I hope that if elected Senator Obama will ask her to be in his Cabinet.
Now lets see how we can move this post around so more can read it!
Thanks
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08:52 PM on 09/16/2008
Check this out! With reference to my earlier posts. From Washingtonpost.com in The Trail section.. I hope this happens!

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/16/faced_with_palin_womens_groups.html
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StellaRay
07:46 PM on 09/16/2008
Denise,

I'm a white woman over 50 who wishes I could clone myself times a million to vote for Obama. It's good to read about what the press does not cover---there are a hell a lot of us white women over 50 who can't abide the thought of Palin as VP, or God forbid president. We remember what it was like before the strides made in the last 40 years. I support all women to make the decisions that are right for them, go to work or stay at home, have 5 kids or none. That's what feminism is all about, that and equal pay for equal work.
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buggedabouttheus
Liberal, Progressive & Christian unashamedly
05:38 PM on 09/16/2008
I do not believe the polls. I do not believe MSM.I do believe that women regardless of race or religion realize that as Sloane and Rebbecca point out we fighting for our lives as Americans with laws and a functioning Constitution. The Bill of Rights is under attack. The 4th Amendment due process and the right to be secure in our own persons have been diluted. We have this chance to turn things around before we fall off of the cliff into becoming a nation we that is less free, less competitive, less technology progressive and a burden just like any other authoritarian regime.

Please Hillary voters votes to save America. Vote for Obama and Biden on November 4th.