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Guns In The Senate? In Rick Perry's America, Why Not?

Posted: 08/22/11 01:57 PM ET

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Remember two summers ago when most Americans were appalled by the sight of guns openly carried by protesters at presidential speaking events and town hall forums on the health care issue? Now it's not just the protesters bringing guns to political events. Now it may be the candidates themselves.

Texas governor and newly-announced presidential candidate Rick Perry has taken the incendiary mixture of guns and politics to a new level. When it comes to carrying concealed weapons, Perry certainly walks the walk. He has a concealed carry permit and proudly says that he carries a gun when he is out jogging.

Perry recently was asked if he is armed while campaigning. He didn't respond by saying the question is ridiculous. He didn't say that in the close quarters of a rope line, with a multitude of people pulling and tugging at him, a gun could easily drop to the ground or be taken from him. He didn't say that an armed candidate would be a nightmare for the Secret Service. He didn't say any of those things. Instead, he smiled and refused to say whether or not he carried while campaigning. He added, "That's why it's called concealed."

Rick Perry apparently doesn't think the question is ridiculous. In fact, his sarcasm suggests he has no objection to political candidates carrying guns to campaign events; he seems to imply that he may do so himself. One thing is clear. The governor has been so thoroughly marinated in pro-gun ideology that he is unashamed about taking it to its logical extreme. If it is true that more guns in public places make us safer, why shouldn't political candidates carry guns? Isn't it the least they can do for their own safety?

I wonder if this thought ever occurred to Rick Perry: If a would-be presidential assailant is undeterred by Secret Service agents with Uzis, why would he be deterred by a presidential candidate packing heat? Does he think that if Ronald Reagan had been packing a Glock that fateful day 30 years ago, he would have gotten the drop on John Hinckley?

And then there's Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK). On Wednesday of last week, in expressing his frustration at the conduct of some of his Senate colleagues, Coburn told constituents, it's "a good thing I can't pack a gun on the Senate floor." I don't contest the senator's subsequent statement that he intended the comment as a joke, although, as Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), whose husband was killed and son injured by gunfire, powerfully observed, "I don't think any person who has been or knows a victim of gun violence would find this a laughing matter."

Coburn's joke also brings to mind the expression, "Half of all truth is said in jest." The fact is that the senator, with one tasteless joke, effectively made the case against legalizing guns in public places. Yes, it is a good thing that senators can't carry guns onto the Senate floor because the presence of guns, even carried by well-meaning, law-abiding citizens, increases the risk that arguments and conflicts will escalate to lethal violence. It is the same reason that our national parks are less safe because (due to legislation sponsored by Senator Coburn himself) concealed carry of weapons is now permitted within their borders. It is the reason that our streets, restaurants and coffee houses are less safe in states that have made concealed carry easier. It is the reason that college campuses remain far safer than the gun-saturated communities that surround them, because the gun lobby has been foiled in its efforts to force colleges and universities to allow concealed carry

I wonder if Rick Perry got Coburn's joke. Or if he's wondering, "Why aren't guns allowed on the Senate floor?"

If Rick Perry is our next president and he has a like-minded Congress, guns on the Senate floor may not be a laughing matter. They may well be the way things are in an American nightmare where, in political discourse, the guns speak louder than the rhetoric.


For more information, see Dennis Henigan's Lethal Logic: Exploding the Myths that Paralyze American Gun Policy (Potomac Books 2009). This blog is also posted at the Brady Campaign.

 
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08:01 AM on 09/28/2011
Gun Control is sweeping the nation:

… the latest national telephone survey finds that 39% consider it a positive when a political candidate is described as being “pro-gun.”

Only 27% see this as a negative description, while another 30% say it lies somewhere in between. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Hee hee

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/september_2011/39_see_pro_gun_as_positive_label_27_say_it_s_a_negative
06:28 PM on 09/25/2011
"Does he think that if Ronald Reagan had been packing a Glock that fateful day 30 years ago, he would have gotten the drop on John Hinckley?"

Once again the lack of factual information is apparent. Glock pistols didn't exist in 1981. The first Glock Pistol hit the market in 1983.
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Conlaw Bloganon
Ron Paul 2012!
04:49 PM on 09/18/2011
Doesn't it seem a bit ironic that constitutional rights don't exist in DC, the very location of the constitution?
09:50 PM on 09/02/2011
Thanks for all your efforts Dennis.

That photo above of Rick Perry firing off a semi-auto death machine in a crowded area of town makes me sick. I'll be making a large donation to the Brady Campaign as soon as Obama creates me one of those 4 million new high paying jobs.

Hang in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:55 AM on 08/30/2011
Rick Perry supports the NRA Tea Party Insurrectionists Extremist Gunophile Neanderbillies Fetishists 's campaign to make it easier for Americans to carry loaded guns on the sidewalks, footpaths, streets, roads, thoroughfares, highways, cars, automobiles, horse and buggy, motorcycle, gutters, sewers, parks, squares, gardens, beaches, trees, bushes, place, business, stores, shopping centers, malls, factories, green house, hardware store, warehouse, market, shop, arcade, bazaar, fair, restaurant, café, bistro, diner, cafeteria, bar, tavern, saloon, inn, hostel, hotel, motel, college campus, hospital, doctors office, stadium, arena, field, theater, cinema, hall, auditorium, church, parish, synagogue, mosque, residence, dwelling, home, room, apartment, domicile, abode, neighborhood, district, locality, slum, barrio, estate, sub division, suburb, settlement, village, town, city, county, state, protectorate, country, and other places like Congress.

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08:52 PM on 08/30/2011
hey, anonymous guns=evil person hiding behind an internet persona! haven't run into your postings in a while.
how's it going, with your business of making the gun prohibitionists look even more silly than they do themselves?
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David Carson
11:51 AM on 08/31/2011
G=E is still fooling newbie civilian disarmament advocates and pissing off the regulars like U45 (I think the regular CDAs are irritated because lines like "NRA TEA party insurrectionists extremist gunophile Neanderbillie fetishists" point up how silly their arguments are)
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Louisiana2259
12:08 PM on 08/29/2011
Why not outlaw murder, then we will be able to carry firearms everywhere without concern. No one would possibly break the law.

Gun Control only serves to hinder law abiding people. Criminals can still do what is illegal after gun bans. Look at England, and the increase of violent crime after their gun bans.
12:25 PM on 09/04/2011
ridiculous.
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
03:44 AM on 08/29/2011
The fact is that the senator, with one tasteless joke, effectively made the case against legalizing guns in public places. Yes, it is a good thing that senators can't carry guns onto the Senate floor because the presence of guns, even carried by well-meaning, law-abiding citizens, increases the risk that arguments and conflicts will escalate to lethal violence.

--Utter hogwash..
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
03:41 AM on 08/29/2011
a gun could easily drop to the ground or be taken from him
-- Not with a proper retention holster.

He didn't say that an armed candidate would be a nightmare for the Secret Service.
-- Really? Why?
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
09:20 PM on 08/29/2011
Facts aren't necessary. It would be a nightmare for absolutely no reason.
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
10:30 PM on 08/29/2011
I'm an eternal optimist..  I keep hoping fact will win over fiction..
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09:14 PM on 08/28/2011
There was that incident with a cane in Congress a long time ago. The cane-wielder, in a fit of temper and disagreement, did some real damage. I believe canes have been outlawed in Congress ever since.

But who knows if anyone in D.C. understands history's significance, especially in the matter of its forever repeating itself, or, for that matter, the Constitutional responsibility to insure domestic tranquility?
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
09:45 PM on 08/28/2011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sumner

Interesting history.
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David Carson
10:20 PM on 08/28/2011
DW--"domestic tranquility" does not trump the BOR--and U45, JP and you have NOT supported your position with anything more significance sour grapes and whine
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
08:31 PM on 08/29/2011
When you ferment sour grapes, you produce whine.
06:01 PM on 08/28/2011
One thing I love about America is the fact that people can own guns. he 2nd amendment clearly states that a gun may be used as a weapon of self defense for the home. In terms of bringing a weapon outside the property in which one lives, I feel strongly against this. But, at a time when China threatens America - that the U.S.A needs to repay the debt - I think it is important for all American citizens to own a gun for his/her families own protection. Still, the Rick Perry way I do not feel is the right way. Politicians carrying around guns? Umm. Not too sure about that.I don't feel that carrying around a concealed weapon is particularly admirable. If this were (say) Barack Obama carrying a concealed weapon, I think they'd be an immediate outcry. I hope it doesn't catch on.

"The 2nd Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnecte­d with service in the militia, and to use that arm for traditiona­lly lawful purposes, such as self defense within the HOME"
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OdinsEye
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06:20 PM on 08/28/2011
"If this were (say) Barack Obama carrying a concealed weapon, I think they'd be an immediate outcry. ."

Quite a few politicians have concealed carry permits. If Pres Obama had a permit, the only public outcry would be that it would be elitist given his objection to concealed carry for John Q Public.

"he 2nd amendment clearly states that a gun may be used as a weapon of self defense for the home."

Nothing in the Second says that the firearm is for defense within the home.
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
06:30 PM on 08/28/2011
"The 2nd Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnecte­­­d with service in the militia, and to use that arm for traditiona­­­lly lawful purposes, such as self defense within the HOME" ThomasTrom

Notice it said "SUCH AS" when defining a lawful purpose. It in no way limited lawful use to the home, and armed self defense away from the home happens hundreds of thousands of times a year.

To illustrate my point, below is another quote from the Heller case that uses the same "SUCH AS" wording, yet they are discussing carry of firearms that are NOT in the home.

"The Courts opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstandi­­ng prohibitio­­ns on the possession­­s of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws prohibitin­­g the carrying of weapons in sensitive places SUCH AS schools or government buildings.­.."

I respect your opinion that all Americans should own a firearm for self defense. Many here are going to disagree with you. Maybe not in this story, but they will.

Welcome to the HuffPo. Hang on, it gets bumpy, sometimes.
07:05 PM on 08/28/2011
Thank you for the welcome Jarhead, I appreciate that. Thank you for also explaining where I went wrong there on the 2nd Amendment. You are right. Armed self defense away from the home (or property) is something I do disagree with regrardless, given the 30,000 Americans gunned down yearly.
05:28 PM on 08/28/2011
Did Henigan just escalate the "the streets will run with blood!" false prophecy to a "the streets are running with blood!" lie?

Never has the legalization of guns in public places caused an increase in violence in those places. The parks are no less safe. This entire article is a emotionally charged, factually void rant for no cause.
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ElmCreekSmith
I hunt the things that go bump in the night.
09:48 AM on 08/28/2011
"It is the same reason that our national parks are less safe because (due to legislation sponsored by Senator Coburn himself) concealed carry of weapons is now permitted within their borders. It is the reason that our streets, restaurants and coffee houses are less safe in states that have made concealed carry easier."

Gee, all you could come up with was a rehash of the old "Our streets will run red with the blood of innocents if concealed carry laws pass!" canard? The fact is that our National Parks, streets, restaurants, and coffee houses are less safe only for criminals. Next time, try something that hasn't been thoroughly debunked.

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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
11:04 AM on 08/28/2011
I noticed he did leave out the "blood in the streets". How disingenuous can a person get, because like you have just identified, this is a rehash of the original, and it has been changed just enough to reflect the reality there never was any blood in the streets. Typical banner ideology. Then they turn around and accuse the NRA of preaching FEAR. The logic is non-existent.
12:29 PM on 08/26/2011
The Bearing of Arms has always been a Fundamental Constitutional Right of The People.

From Heller:

At the time of the founding, as now, to “bear” meant to “carry.” See Johnson 161; Webster; T. Sheridan, A Complete Dictionary of the English Language (1796); 2 Oxford English Dictionary 20 (2d ed. 1989) (hereinafter Oxford).

When used with “arms,” however, the term has a meaning that refers to carrying for a particular purpose— confrontation. In Muscarello v. United States, 524 U. S.
125 (1998), in the course of analyzing the meaning of “carries a firearm” in a federal criminal statute, JUSTICE GINSBURG wrote that “[s]urely a most familiar meaning is,
as the Constitution’s Second Amendment . . . indicate[s]: ‘wear, bear, or carry . . . upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose . . . of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.’ ” Id., at 143 (dissenting opinion) (quoting Black’s Law Dictionary 214 (6th ed. 1998)).

We think that JUSTICE GINSBURG accurately captured the natural meaning of “bear arms.” Although the phrase implies that the carrying of the weapon is for the purpose of “offensive or defensive action,” it in no way connotes participation in a structured military organization.
11:21 PM on 08/26/2011
Heller said guns should be in the home, not in public. The 2nd is about a well regulated militia to protect the free state, not guns for personal pleasure. Activist judges have ruled inappropriately ignoring the 2nd is about the militia. 30,000 Americans are killed by gun use yearly.
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mackbolan
Libertas inaestimabilis res est
07:29 AM on 08/27/2011
when was the first majority ruling that guns were not for private use...
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David Carson
11:34 AM on 08/27/2011
how about citing SCOTUS cases supporting your positions ST--all you are is a whiny sore loser
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TheSarge
Armed Crawdad BodyGuard
07:35 PM on 08/24/2011
The senate is full of firearms but the public has no idea, and they enjoy being clueless.
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enlightened45
10:14 AM on 08/25/2011
Actually, in my opinion, better for firearms to be in the senate than Starbucks and the National Parks, at least those who have allowed the travesty are in harm's way, not the innocents who resent the gun proliferation in this country.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
10:52 AM on 08/25/2011
What demonstrable harm has resulted from an absence of prohibition of the carrying of firearms within Starbucks establishments and within National Parks?
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
11:57 AM on 08/25/2011
Your reply to my earlier post has yet to show. Moderation has been somewhat different for this article. In regards to the monument to MLK, he certainly deserves one. As for a totally non-violent person, not really.

"Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was no stranger to the idea of self-defense. According to Annelieke Dirks, “Even Martin Luther King Jr.—the icon of nonviolence—employed armed bodyguards and had guns in his house during the early stages of the Montgomery Bus Boycott in 1956. Glenn Smiley, an organizer of the strictly nonviolent and pacifist Fellowship of Reconciliation (FOR), observed during a house visit that the police did not allow King a weapon permit, but that ‘the place is an arsenal."[3] Efforts from those like Smiley convinced Dr. King that any sort of weapons or “self-defense” could not be associated with someone like him in the position that he held. Dr. King agreed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice

Just like Gandhi, he seems to have felt non violent means of self defense were quite appropriate.
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hagagaga
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07:18 PM on 08/24/2011
This is one of the few things that Rick Perry is right about.
11:41 PM on 08/26/2011
Nope, Rick is wrong on this too.
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David Carson
12:17 AM on 08/27/2011
supporting the BOR is always correct