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Diane Francis

Diane Francis

Posted: April 12, 2008 08:31 PM

We're Not Staring Into the Abyss, We're In It


Will someone please show Congress, General David Petraeus and Republican John McCain the 2002 Hollywood hit "The Gangs of New York". The movie, set in New York's slums during the Civil War, depicts today's Iraq: Economic chaos, tribal wars, political corruption, psychotic leaders and the slaughter of innocents.

Mark Twain wrote that "history does not repeat itself but it rhymes". And just as it took Americans decades to clean up New York, the Wild West and Deep South it will take decades to clean up Iraq. Worse yet, Iraq is even more backward than was 19th century America.

Even so, McCain, McBush and his General Petraeus, the four-star in charge of Iraq, want more money, more troops and more time.

But the Iraq war, even if one believes the "surge" of troops has led to limited success, has been foolish and the notion of democratization may be even more foolish, no matter how noble the goal. Look at history's examples.

Occupied West Germany and Japan transformed quickly but only after millions died, their countries were flattened and their leaders annihilated. Vietnam never made the transition and Russia still has a long way to go. Iraq, Afghanistan and others in the region, may never make it or, at least, not make it in our lifetimes.

Iraq has other issues. Malevolent neighbors export men and armaments to keep it unstable and embarrass Washington. These and other unique conditions mean that staying the course is not really an option, nor should the Iraq occupation be confused with American patriotism or pride. Iraq must get its act together. This is not a nation but a family feud in a region roiling with religious and boundary blood feuds. Others must get involved. The Iraqis have to pull it off or divide into several countries.

Senator McCain justifies "staying the course" and claims that last year's troop build up has created a situation that is "something approaching normal". "We are no longer staring into the abyss of defeat, and we can now look ahead to the genuine prospect of success," McCain said. His "normal" is hardly acceptable. His "success" is years away. Right now, Iraq is under martial law. The economy is non-existent. Uneasy truces between warlords and religious factions are only glued together with American money and force. The Green Zone has been penetrated with violence despite the "surge". Iraq's central government is, by most accounts, dysfunctional.

These facts must be drummed into the public record. So must the ramifications of another statement made by McCain recently: "My friends, if we left, they [al Qaeda] wouldn't be establishing a base. They'd be taking a country and I'm not going to allow that to happen."

So Democrats and the public must press McCain aggressively on these points:

IF troop withdrawal means Iraq will be overrun by terrorists, then McCain is saying that American soldiers can never leave Iraq. If so, why hasn't he articulated this opinion clearly to the public, that we can never leave?

IF he did not quite mean that and progress is being made, why can't troops now be withdrawn gradually?

WHAT are neighbors and allies going to do to keep peace in the region?

WHY
can't Iraq, after exit, be contained just like Saddam Hussein and other regimes have been?

WHY does McCain believe that doing the same thing will yield a different result?

 
 
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Been there, done that, lived to tell
11:13 AM on 04/13/2008
Ms. Francis, I appreciate your efforts to focus the debate, but stating:
- "Iraq is even more backward than was 19th century America"
- "the notion of democratization may be even more foolish, no matter how noble the goal"
- "Malevolent neighbors export men and armaments to keep it unstable and embarrass Washington"
simply fuels the jingoistic paternalism that perpetuates this misadventure.

The Middle East is where empires go to die, usually because of some Western notion that the East (where there were flourishing libraries when Europeans wore animal skins and huddled in shabby huts) needs saving. (The real reason. of course, is resources -- spices or oil.) To unleash chaos, then call a country backward is insulting. To describe a neighboring country acting in its own self-interests as malevolent is Cheney-esque -- another swing of the bat at the hornets' nest. And to romanticize "democracy" -- even if just to call it foolish with a condescending sigh -- is to overlook that the noblest goal in Iraq today is to provide dependable electricity (which existed before we tore that country apart because of a lie.)
01:04 PM on 04/13/2008
It is I who should thank you for taking the time to explain why her post reads as imperialistic.

And you did it very well, indeed.
05:04 AM on 04/13/2008
Didn't McNut already answered the question? He said that US troops would stay 100 years, 1000 years. I think that pretty much qualifies as never leaving.
03:10 AM on 04/13/2008
What is sad is the fact that we (the US) went from guardians of the world, to bullies of the world, in the matter of 5-7 years. When 9/11 happened we (the US) could have had the world backing us. Of course we had (lack of response) Bush and (SO WHAT) Chenney at the helm. One can make great inspirational speeches when your writers make you say such things. Of course, when it comes right down to it...W screwed up. If we "stayed the course" in Afganistan, that is one thing, but too truly f-up and go into Iraq??? Well, I think that we all have figured out that it will be up to whomever gets elected after W will mean all the difference, unless there are enough dumbasses out there that will vote for McCain. Wow,4 more years, or if McCain gets elected, 100 years, what a difference time will make.
01:24 AM on 04/13/2008
The overwelming consensus is that the U.S armed forces have the best equipment, are the best trained, and have the best and toughest soldiers, sailors, airman and marines on the planet. Without delving into the (de)merits of why we invaded Iraq, we did and took out their armed forces and toppled the regime in a matter of weeks. Not really surprising considering it was a second rate third world country. So in the five plus years of occupation, FIVE YEARS for crying out loud, why is that the most formitable force on earth cannot bring and maintain order to a place the size of California? The answer is easy, FAILURE OF LEADERSHIP. GW Bush, Patraeus and those that came before him, Joint Chiefs, Chaney, Crocker, Rice, Rumsfeld, Gates...most are criminals, all are duds.
12:38 AM on 04/13/2008
Furthermore, comparisons between Iraq and two-third of the axis powers breed additional contrasts, in that, the fact that Germany and Japan qualified as recovering totalitarian regimes necessitated that the entire societal and governmental structure be restructrured from scratch at a very microscopic level. In fact, realistically, the parameters of Saddam's regime at worst were merely on par with that of Francisco Franco, in which case the fact that neither former-fascist Italy nor post-1974 Spain required such heavy reconstruction under decades of armed-guard only further reinforces the incompitance of this administyration in light of the fact that the occupation has proceeded as long as it has.
11:54 PM on 04/12/2008
Given his war record, one wishes to believe that Sen. McCain is not the abject fool that his recent notoriety proves him to be.

Al Qaeda appears to be exclusively Sunni Muslim, and the divide between the Sunni and Shia sects appears to be unbridgeable. Given that 60% the population of Iraq chooses to practice the Shiite flavor of the Moslem religion, and the Shiites are now also firmly in control of pretty much every aspect of that country, Al Qaeda would need to pull off the greatest come from behind victory in the history of the planet to present the threat that Sen. McCain says he fears.

Is the man a fool or a liar?

My money is on both. And it's also on a Democratic landslide in November. Or at least it would be if I could find anyone stupid enough to take the other side even up.
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charon
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11:44 PM on 04/12/2008
McCain is off his nut. AQI will never take over Iraq. Iran will.
10:11 PM on 04/12/2008
"The movie, set in New York's slums during the Civil War, depicts today's Iraq: Economic chaos, tribal wars, political corruption, psychotic leaders and the slaughter of innocents."

I might get there, but first it reminds me of the 1990's: all of that in Somalia, Rwanda, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechyna, N. Korea, Afghanistan, Sierra Leone, the Ivory Coast, etc.
09:57 PM on 04/12/2008
Spoken like a true Imperialist.
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10:28 AM on 04/13/2008
I treasure the comment that can hit the ball out of the park on the first swing. Thanks, Poboy.
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peterg76
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09:33 PM on 04/12/2008
The Iraq War was about *oil*. The Iraqis.... 'just got in the way'. All the instability is *because* of the occupation, not in spite of it.
09:16 PM on 04/12/2008
I think our ability to make any meaningful difference in events in Iraq is highly questionable, except to perhaps make things even worse.

We may not like it, but our invasion and the decisions we made early in our occupation have simply made some outcomes unlikely and some impossible, no matter how many boots we put on the ground, how we parse our political rhetoric, or what entreaties we make to regional powers. "Stable democracy?" Not going to happen. "American partner in the GWOT?" Forget it.

Time to recognize that what is possible has passed beyond our ability to influence. Time to take our medicine.
10:43 PM on 04/12/2008
We, the USA, sure did make things worse for Iraqis as we occupied Iraq & as we continue occupying Iraq. Using the pretexts of nation building, restoring order & rebuilding Iraq is patently false. No one save supporters of W, those associated with W & Co or who profit by the USA's occupation of Iraq will say that our occupation of Irag brings anything good to Iraq.
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