It's important that we engage our creative imagination and design "social-ware" to shape our world by each of us acting as a "global sensor," a functional part of the global neural network.
In answer to the key question: "Hasta la vista, baby". It's sobering to grasp that machines may quickly learn to wet themselves laughing at other machines' foolishness and idiocy. On a brighter note, one thing machines will never do that we can, is fart in lifts and then feel both individually and collectively embarrassed about it.
Reductjohn: In answer to the key question: "Hasta la vista, baby".
To suggest continuous growth is short-sighted. Chaos theory suggests (as in the butterfly effect) that unknown and unpredictable forces will cause adjustments to any biological model. As an example, derrivitive trading and treating homes as if they were a form of stock, fell flat on its face.
The thing to look for is not what keeps the current trend going but what will cause it to decay (as in favorable entropy change), which is a predominant law of the universe.
Another essential point in all of this is our ability to change data into information. We have yet to accomplish even the lowest level of correlation to get that to happen. This translates into everybody creates their own correlations, which are agreed upon because the correlations are intuitively or instinctually correct. But the world does not work that way. For proof, see Bell's Interconnectedness theorem.
RonRico: To suggest continuous growth is short-sighted. Chaos theory suggests (as
Too many of these dreamy futures forget that flawed humans will control the intermediate steps to this Singularity. There are already massive power imbalances which will worsen at rates that people simply wouldn't think possible now. The elites will reign as supermen and women with magic-like powers and will have little use for the masses. Much of the increase in technology simply reduces the value of labor in the current economic system that has put these elites in power. People think that this means we'll all be free to enjoy lives of leisure. Why? Only blind optimism ignores the more likely scenario in which the elites will enjoy all of the benefits and the masses will be left behind forever or worse actively destroyed. How much effort do even average people in the developed world spend on improving the lives of the poorest in the third world? Well the massive gap between the elites and the masses will reduce this impulse to a fraction of what is seen today between the developed and undeveloped world. Eventually the elites may themselves be left behind, replaced, or destroyed by products of technology but that will be much too late for the masses that will never see this bright future.
fredzed: Too many of these dreamy futures forget that flawed humans
I always go back to Malthus. He has yet to be shown to be wrong. The populatioon outpaces the rate of food production so there will always be poor people to do the dirty work. One child policy. It worked in China and it will have to be applied throughout the world.
pinkibus: I always go back to Malthus. He has yet to
Read "Player Piano" by the late, great Kurt Vonnegut. The question you are asking has a LOT OF BAD ANSWERS. I like Kurzweil too but this future may be awful for the human race in general. All I see is a future where individuality is crushed and the government and corporations have complete and total control over our lives. Is this really what we want? Can you prove my assertion wrong? I honestly believe that every technological step forward leads to suffering in the human population (Authoritarianism and Repression) until we evolve to understand the problem.
CroatianCritter: Read "Player Piano" by the late, great Kurt Vonnegut. The
well no, nobody can prove your assertion wrong, but they can't prove it's right either. but i humbly disagree with you that every technological step forward leads to authoritarianism and repression; they've always existed. with or without technology power concentrates. the problem is with the imbalance of power which leads to every other problem. until that is solved it's a matter of choosing your master: free time or privacy.
TheLostYears: well no, nobody can prove your assertion wrong, but they
there is a huge difference between intelligent and self-aware, one does not preclude the other. however, if a machine intelligence did achieve self-awareness, my question is, would it have the capacity for self-deception? would it be capable of "spinning the facts"? if not, i think it's pretty likely the powers that be would waste no time pulling the plug.
TheLostYears: there is a huge difference between intelligent and self-aware, one
Nothing futurists predict ever comes true, but, by the time the time comes, everybody has forgotten they said it--and then they are free to say something else that never will come true but that everybody will have forgotten they said by the time the time comes.
professor: Nothing futurists predict ever comes true, but, by the time
"The key question: What is globalized human society going to do with the mass of unemployed human beings that are rendered obsolete by the approaching super-intelligence of the Bio-Info-Nano Singularity?"
This is easy to answer. We will all be mining the minerals necessary to make the components for electronic devices. Then st the end of the device's life we will poison ourselves recycling those minerals. In short, Most of us will become poisoned troglodytes in a techno dystopia.
dildenusa: "The key question: What is globalized human society going to
Ultimately, it would seem reasonable that biological humans would cease to exist and would evolve into a machine form that takes on many of the characteristics of the human brain but then goes into areas we can hardly imagine. Perhaps an intermediate state of machines that help humans evolve faster, or even biological computer hybrids, may exist for some time. But ultimately I would think humans will prove either too vulnerable to self aware computer-bots, or humans themselves will prefer to be incorporated into a computer-bot form, which will result in a shedding of the biological body.
glider1: Ultimately, it would seem reasonable that biological humans would cease
Naturally humans will fear this evolution and will at some point fight against this to avoid becoming obsolete and later extinct. As an inferior species we will inevitably lose.
At least we will get some great science fiction movies first!
John_Fearing: Naturally humans will fear this evolution and will at some
Any engineer can make 'stuff' go faster, kill deader, sort quicker, fly higher, record sharper, destroy more completely, etc.. We have a surfeit of that kind of creativity. What we need is some kind of genius to create a society that treats each other with equality, justice, caring and cooperativeness. The concept of 'singularity' doesn't excite me nearly as much as the idea that sometime we might be able to move beyond the civilization level of a troop of chimpanzees. I'm hoping that genius comes before we manage to destroy what little civilization we have with all our neat "stuff"
Janetshusb: Any engineer can make 'stuff' go faster, kill deader, sort
I had thoughts along the same line. Will we ever see "equality, justice, caring and cooperativeness," and economically a fair distribution of resources. I take some solace and garner some hope when I see the current crop of folks at the top of the BIN pyramid. Although they have to work within the current systems which are weighted heavily in favor of the old financial/industrial/military/fossil energy pigs, almost to a man and woman they have been giving back, sometimes in spectacular fashion. That should continue to nudge social/political systems in more equitable directions.
Could be wishful thinking?
Ron_Shook: Janet, I had thoughts along the same line. Will we
I'm getting MUCH MORE out of reading all the comments of this article then the article itself! I dont really know what to conclude, it all seems extremely speculative. won't know till we get there eh?
B_r_i_a_n: I'm getting MUCH MORE out of reading all the comments
Also, the whole bio-info-nano concept raises a lot of ethical questions, and if these kinds of dreams do come to pass, we have to examine ourselves; otherwise, "transcending" our humanity will mean we are also inhumane.
1. It's likely that this kind of technology - vastly longer lifetimes, medical miracles, technological entities to take care of all our tasks - will be freaking expensive. So we have a class of people in developed countries enjoying these kinds of advantages... And in the third world? Among the poor? Our species has a history of being pretty nasty when it comes to social classes, and a division between Homo sapiens and "Homo superior" (thank you, David Bowie) seems a big danger.
2. Population growth and resources. We have more people living longer, and we have more resources being consumed even as populations continue to escalate. And crafting robots to perform our work will take the consumption of resources, more and more... but while we're looking for infinity, those resources themselves aren't infinite.
3. I think I'd be part of the Robot Rights Movement. Because we'd have to consider the consequences of artificial intelligence if it were turned entirely towards accomplishing our own tasks. If an entity is self-aware, even if that consciousness is something we've made, then is it right to make this its entire purpose? Justified slavery, because wired circuitry differs from the neural? We'd have to consider what we really value about being in itself.
Erzsebet_Gilbert: Also, the whole bio-info-nano concept raises a lot of ethical
The thing to look for is not what keeps the current trend going but what will cause it to decay (as in favorable entropy change), which is a predominan
Another essential point in all of this is our ability to change data into informatio
What is globalized human society going to do with the current mass of unemployed human beings.
This is easy to answer. We will all be mining the minerals necessary to make the components for electronic devices. Then st the end of the device's life we will poison ourselves recycling those minerals. In short, Most of us will become poisoned troglodyte
At least we will get some great science fiction movies first!
I had thoughts along the same line. Will we ever see "equality, justice, caring and cooperativ
Could be wishful thinking?
1. It's likely that this kind of technology - vastly longer lifetimes, medical miracles, technologi
2. Population growth and resources. We have more people living longer, and we have more resources being consumed even as population
3. I think I'd be part of the Robot Rights Movement. Because we'd have to consider the consequenc