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Saved Early by Jesus

Posted: 04/11/11 11:00 PM ET

I was saved early by Jesus. I didn't know it was him then, and I am not entirely sure it is him now. Certainty about Jesus has never been our bond. Instead, warmth and trust come to mind.

Our relationship began on a tough night. The pastor of my Missouri Synod Lutheran Church showed up at my house, when I was 6, and told my father to stop beating up my mother. From that moment on, I have pledged myself to join Jesus in keeping little girls safe. From that moment on, I have also had warmth in my belly that could be called fundamental trust in Jesus and his ability to show up. The warmth has never left me. Thank you, Pastor Witte, you who showed Jesus to me.

Since that night, I have studied Jesus and preached Jesus and misunderstood Jesus and re-understood Jesus. I have demythologized Jesus and applied "critical theory" to his words. I have recited the Apostles' Creed from memory and gotten the Nicene wrong when I've tried to repeat it. I have let Augustine and Aquinas have at him and read Reinhold Niebuhr in distant respect for him. My studies have distanced me from the theological concept of "Christ" but not from Jesus or his warmth.

Jesus is my brother and my friend. He has grown larger than life and smaller than life -- both, not either. I have fussed with the fundamentalists over him, even though kind fundamentalists raised me. I don't see myself as their enemy, but instead as one who inquires about why they need to talk so much about the distanced Jesus or the correct Christ. I want to talk about the warmth in my belly that persists when I have to have surgery or right after I get hit by a drunk driver and realize I am in an ambulance. In times like these, my early memories of the warm protecting presence of Jesus accompany me. I don't really know how to be afraid.

If I were to describe this warmth, it would resemble the sacrament. In bread and wine, I have known the gathering presence of something divine, something larger than the fear or the pain or even the possibility of death and harm. I feel something. I sense something. It is stronger than any thinking I have ever managed about Jesus.

Because of these protecting sacraments of a warm Jesus, I have come to really dislike the word "Christology." Sometimes I worry that my seminary education gets in the way of the Jesus I know. Jesus, in my terms of trust and warmth, embodied in bread, wine, pastors and congregations, wouldn't make such a big thing out of himself. So I don't know why there is so much fuss about his fine points. Certainty -- or getting Jesus right -- would be like fully understanding my biological brother, whom I do not always understand. I do love and trust him, however.

When I am forced to move Jesus out of my belly and into term papers and fusses, I do a couple of very simple things. I imagine I understand what it means that Jesus Christ is Lord. By "Lord" I mean over all, beyond all, above all. I need not bow down to drunk drivers or physical pain. Nor do I need to bow down to states or churches. There is something larger than everything else and that is our "Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ." "Fear not" is the best response to what my belly has told me over and over again.

This emotional response to Jesus also has ethical implications. I am to love like he did, in that golden rule, which is not so much a rule as a bidding. When you are bid to live in love, which may involve nothing more than showing up and protecting children, you are truly safe, even saved. Nothing can scare you if you know love as your center. Everything can scare you if you don't. Why live with Jesus as brother and a sign of love? For my own good. My own welfare is tied in a knot with the welfare of the other, the city and the neighbor. I am utterly dependent on others, as I learned early. Jesus is the one who calls me out to the other on behalf of myself. Jesus is the argument that you can have what you can let go of and that you can't have what you can't release. Pouring out fills up.

Consider Zacheus, the rich tax collector who had to climb a tree to see Jesus. He needed to get above the crowd to see what was going on. Most of us do. The crowd has blinders that prohibit our vision. The crowd is happy to tell you that everything is up to you, that you are worthy only as you are productive, and that you better stay part of the herd. The crowd is happy to use interpersonal violence or war to enforce its blindness.

In church, as body of Jesus, we help each other climb trees. We become one small crowd that challenges the larger crowd. We gather weekly in a sacred space to remember our intuition that Jesus has something to say. From the Easter alleluias to the Advent lights and back again, the greatest intuition of the church is to see Jesus, the one who had a way of showing up and bunking in with sinners, so that children, and then adults, might be safe.

I have made a bet that Jesus will make me safe. My belly bets with me. The warmth I know in Jesus did not mean that my father stopped beating my mother or that he never hit me again. It did mean that I felt safe, anyway.

Some of us place double bets. A little here, a little there. A little Jesus, a little humanism, a little crowd following, a little lottery ticket. I have been an ordained minister for 38 years in the United Church of "Who?" I contribute to the blur about Jesus. I try not to, but I do. We hedge our bets because we ourselves have been hedged. Just because you know the direction you want your life to have does not mean you stay on the path.

The hardest part about Jesus is how expensive it is to follow him to his gold: We are to even love those who have hedged us or hurt us. That enemy business, which is so securing in such a phony way, is tossed out. Living without scapegoating or blaming or enemy-izing the other makes us very vulnerable. We are even to love those who continue to hurt us. We can't fight our way out of this relationship. I have never wanted to. The trust and warmth in my belly is just too valuable to me.

Excerpted from 'The Jesus Diaries: Who Jesus is to Me.'

 
I was saved early by Jesus. I didn't know it was him then, and I am not entirely sure it is him now. Certainty about Jesus has never been our bond. Instead, warmth and trust come to mind. Our relati...
I was saved early by Jesus. I didn't know it was him then, and I am not entirely sure it is him now. Certainty about Jesus has never been our bond. Instead, warmth and trust come to mind. Our relati...
 
 
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New Yorker
Roman Catholic, Anti-DEATH, Combat Vet, Sinner
08:01 PM on 04/14/2011
We each are called to be fully human. The world tries to convince us we are only the little we know, God tells us we are far more. God alone is the way to know all we do not. Everything in nature contains a mystery revealed only by God. God is the answer to all of man's yearnings.
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relians
the interconnectedness of all things
02:22 PM on 04/13/2011
jesus, an immortal being who spent four hours of his 1000 year day to pretend to be human, and then retire to his luxury apt in heaven. what a dude!
01:01 PM on 04/13/2011
Ms. Schaper, thank you so much for this moving description of the love and security Jesus has for us. It reminds us that we so often forget who Jesus is in our constant bickering over Christology. I think it is important to remember that he is bigger than any category we place him in. Thank you again,
Blessings,
-Brandon
whatjesusdiddo.blogspot.com
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Slider33
Liberal atheist geek.
11:05 AM on 04/13/2011
Saved Early by Jesus = indoctrinated as a child.

I was too, by the way.

I can relate to the author's back and forth struggling with faith and doubt during those years.

However, I think it's safe to say there will always be doubt when religion is involved, since the Christian religion requires faith.

I eventually accepted the fact that it's all a myth, perpetrated on my impressionable young mind as a child.

"Faith is the denial of observation so that belief can be preserved". - Tim Minchin "Storm"
09:16 AM on 04/13/2011
I have found peace with the knowledge that I have no control over most of what happens in my life, but I have absolute control over how I react to what happens. That fact alone is what I balance my life upon, and I feel it is far superior to having any 'friend in my belly'. To each their own. Whatever gets anyone through the dark parts is fine with me.
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Drmhp
01:40 AM on 04/13/2011
At the end of the day, our love and compassion flowing from our hearts is all that matters. Jesus is the spigot of them. We will be judged by the amount of love we share with others not by our sins. Grace and mercy, love and kindness is what really matters.
02:48 AM on 04/13/2011
Is that the "Holy Spigot"?
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Mark Morlock
Justice is blind I think God is too.
12:47 AM on 04/13/2011
Jesus hasn't shaped much of my life. I don't want to be saved by anyone else, quite frankly, I find more merit in being judged on what I've done as a person. If that means a little bit of hellfire that's ok with me. I will serve my time by my own choice. This is not to say that if I stand before God and Jesus vouches for me I'll be unappreciative but I don't need his help. That's just the way things are for me.
02:47 AM on 04/13/2011
I stand with you. I was "saved' due to fear and loathing of hell at 6 and again, at 16. Double insurance against hell. But, I prefer earth, its savory treats, and life as I live it. So, Jesus will not be able to judge me...I am saved, saved, saved! But, maybe not!
10:02 PM on 04/12/2011
We are all capable of every human behavior in all their self-contradictory varieties. And our brain is not logical. It takes the experience of those behaviors and develops simplistic associations which create the emotional response the next time the pattern is repeated, and the time after that, and the time after that. We live in our past, until things are working so badly that only then will we figure out where that default panic dysfunctional reaction comes from. And so we live in our reasons and generalizations and ignore the new possibilities. We have our stories and complaints and interpretations, religion is good or religion is bad, and that's all we need to know. Ain't gonna go near that one again. I'm 70 and I'm living in what happened when I was 7. I'm holding it out there in front of me firmly blocking the future. It's my interpretation and it works for me and every time there's an article in the paper it's more ammunition for my interpretation. It's all about being right, and then we forget what we want and how to create something new and to live.
10:11 AM on 04/13/2011
You have touched on something that I've lately come to think about. That is the psychological and biological force(s) which create and drive religious thought and behavior. It is plain to see that debating and refuting religion through science, logic and empirical data is not going to convince many true believers. Your comment is quite insightful. Thank youl.
01:23 PM on 04/13/2011
Perhaps it more relevant to the atheists in the room. What science, logic, and empirical data tell us is that our actions are determined by our brain following the known laws of science, and not by some agent or agents acting outside of those laws. There are no gods or free-willed choosers in science land, but I would challenge anyone to live without them. They are the patterns of neurons firing in our brains, the brain's interpretation of the life intentions of the physical forms it must deal with, and like everything in our experience it's there to keep us alive in what really exists and not to represent for us what really exists. Your brain learning may determine the kinds of agents you experience, but all of them are between the ears and nowhere else. The rationally enlightened modern secularist making the world a better place by knowing what really exists, is perhaps a bigger myth than god.
06:54 PM on 04/12/2011
I, too, was supposedly "saved by Jesus" at 6 years old. But, my Southern Baptist Church was filled with racism, sexism, hell fire and brimstone attitude. My father beat my mother and became the community lothario. Finally, after witnessing such a session, I consulted with the minister. He told me that my mother "had a cross to bear" and my father was the cross.

So much for warm feelings for that church and its doctrine.
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iLdoRight
Encouraging The Rightest Rightness
01:21 AM on 04/13/2011
Many form opinions about "salvation, Heaven, hell, eternal life, damnation and the like" based on what they have heard people say. Many of the people that some listen to for advice on what the Bible has to say have never read or listened to the Bible all the way through, much less done a subject by subject study of the Bible. I talked to a minister who had never read the Bible all the way through. I have had it in recorded form since the early 60s and listened to it all the way through many, many times and done subject studies on salvation, Holy Spirit, hell, damnation and many other subjects. I know the "true" Bible teachings on many subjects and you can also if you want to. A "Strong's Concordance" of the Bible lists the location on every word in the King James Bible so most anyone can look up all the words related to any subject. It is not that hard to do, if you want to. A "Strong's Concordance' can be acquired for about $15 plus $4 postage from ChristianBook.com and one can get the whole Bible there on DVD for about $12 plus postage. That is about $3.50 in 1960 dollars for both, what better deal can you get for about $31-$34 ?
02:44 AM on 04/13/2011
iLdoRight: Thanks.
09:18 AM on 04/13/2011
Impermanent

Sounds to me like we had the same disfunctional family and the same church and the same issues.
01:22 PM on 04/13/2011
You are probably right. Were you a victim of someone called Gourley? He actually made it in a book about his influence on the life of a teenager in a church after he moved to another state., Now, he has been dead for years. But, he got one of my teachers fired, confronted me personally at 14 when he was 35, and told me my dresses were too short.

While in my teen years, suicidal ideation was my best friend.
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Elijah A Alexander Jr
Elijah NatureBoy
06:51 PM on 04/12/2011
Donna,
I believe ever word you wrote is true. Something happens at a young age to most who know we're to be the saved at the end of this civilization (Matthew 24:13). In my life it was between age 6 to 9 months old, I was left in a baby bed with the rails up and everyone left me there asleep. When I awoke I made noise for someone to come get me so when none didI began crying at the top of my voice to no avail. After what appeared a long time a voice said "you may as well become content, no one is coming to get you," and I did.

Except for a few times hearing my name when there was no one around, I never realized that voice again until after my 1973 "new conception" leading to my 1976 "new birth" when I became the wandering messenger per John 3:8. I'm sure that's what made me the explorer I have been all my life, seeking the purpose for things most people take for granted. I had a difficult time accepting the concepts of good and evil but it wasn't until I became the wanderer that I forsook all abstract concepts.

My 34 years the wanderer has "made me free" and placed me in "the straight way with the narrow gate" Jesus say only a few find. I've proven all of his teachings except John 14:12 I'm expecting any day. So, from your testimony I recognize you.
12:51 PM on 04/13/2011
Im not sure I am understanding you. Are you saying that you remember hearing God's voice at 6 mo old and thats why you believe? It sounds like you were just looking for a parental figure and leader that wasn't there when you were young. So you started following an elaborately made up one?
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Elijah A Alexander Jr
Elijah NatureBoy
05:42 PM on 04/13/2011
I said between 6 and 9 months, a one time event. It was harvest time of year, September or October and was born in February. I heard the voice, I don't call anyone, clearly and remember my mother coming in and praising me for not crying, but don't remember exactly what she said. The event was traumatic which we usually remember better than those which aren't.

You can deny my experience but I experienced it and will not. That may be why I believe and, I am told, at the age of 5 I told my mother something which convinced her I was ready to join the Baptist denomination. Several times in places where there was no one I also heard my name called but don't remember when. Completing my new conception it told me "go back to the church" which I did and it answered many a prayer in words like "do you trust me" and "you don't need to go to seminary, I've already taught you."

After my new birth it told me many things which, when I obeyed, my needs were met. There were times when in the first 4 years the voice spoke to me, after it it seemed to be an internal thought which went against all I would have considered doing.

I don't call it Jesus nor god, I'm atheist, and don't quite know if I believe Jesus was actually a man but I have proven his message valid.
06:25 PM on 04/12/2011
I recall a theologian from my youth observing that "Some people are so heavenly minded, they're no earthly good."

This article made me gag on the saccharine level. Wonder if the writer has a husband - and if so, wonder how he feels about coming in a poor second.
05:18 PM on 04/12/2011
This is someone who really seems to grasp what Jesus means, someone who sees beyong the organized religion that has in many cases corrupted the revolutionary movement that Jesus started.
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
06:10 PM on 04/12/2011
And yet no one seems to be able to explain how the people portrayed in "Jesus Camp" didn't get that same message .... why doesn't this give any theist pause?
06:52 PM on 04/12/2011
It gives a great many of us pause.
05:14 PM on 04/12/2011
This statement supersedes all.

"....We are to even love those who have hedged us or hurt us. That enemy business, which is so securing in such a phony way, is tossed out. Living without scapegoating or blaming or enemy-izing the other makes us very vulnerable. We are even to love those who continue to hurt us. We can't fight our way out of this relationship. I have never wanted to. The trust and warmth in my belly is just too valuable to me."
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bbriani3842
400+ yrs of science & STILL no evidence for a god
06:15 PM on 04/12/2011
Compassion without justice allows eviI to flourish ....
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syntax facit saltum
We do not live in a 2 story universe
02:24 AM on 04/15/2011
Why would compassion and love for your enemies require that one tolerate injustice? Love does not mean one is a milquetoast.
04:52 PM on 04/12/2011
Well as a Christian I have to say a few things as to why the church has seen a serious decline.

It has failed.


Yes, I said it the church has failed in it's duty.

You can argue all day long about the world is a cesspool, or set against you. (By the way its been written that the world would be.) but the church needs to look itself in the mirror.

Sex abuse scandals. Nothing can be said to mitigate it. The church as an organization showed what it valued when it protected the pedo priests, or shuffled them. Image mattered more than substance. It may not have been "common" sure. But once is too many times. You don't get a free pass on that.

Financial scandals.
Another betrayal of trust. People give out of their hearts, expecting to be helping both spread the word, and more importantly alleviate suffering around the world, only to find the pastor/missionary was pocketing it.


What is happening now is the painful time before the chuch goers have to clean house.
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Slider33
Liberal atheist geek.
11:19 AM on 04/13/2011
It is failing because god isn't real.

However, religion still continues to grow in modern times, much to my dismay.

Knowledge of scientific truth continues to grow, and the gap that god is needed for continues to get smaller and smaller. There isn't a good reason to need faith anymore. As long as churches/mosques/etc continue to fill the minds of small children with religious myth and belief, religion will continue to grow.
thebigbike
ran away to be a cowboy
04:42 PM on 04/12/2011
What an amazing picture on the teaser for this who knew Jesus was a redheaded scotsman? Alert the scholars!