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General Speaks Frankly About 'Ally' Hamid Karzai

Posted: 11/08/11 10:20 AM ET

About three weeks ago, Reuters quoted Afghan President Hamid Karzai saying: "God forbid, if ever there is a war between Pakistan and America, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan."

Karzai also said:

"Afghanistan will never forget the welcome, the hospitality, the respect, and the brotherhood showed by the Pakistani people towards the Afghan people... Pakistan will never betray their brother."

According to CBS News, "that would be the case regardless of whether the country was India, China or the United States."

In a comment I made in a thread discussing endless American military involvement in the Middle East, I said (I have cleaned it up a little bit):

I am so [frustrated] at our "ally," Mr. Karzai -- the man and his country we are spilling American blood for, almost at the rate we did in Iraq -- for his unforgivable comments that, should there be a conflict between the U.S. and Pakistan, he would side with Pakistan...

Of course, my comment carried no weight.

However, I was pleased to see someone else -- of a little more stature -- join me in expressing "frustration."

This "someone else" said in an interview with POLITICO, that Afghan leaders were ungrateful for U.S. assistance and "isolated from reality." He called Karzai's comments "erratic," adding, "Why don't you just poke me in the eye with a needle! You've got to be kidding me. I'm sorry, we just gave you $11.6 billion and now you're telling me, I don't really care?"

And:

You can teach a man how to fish, or you can give them a fish... We're giving them fish while they're learning, and they want more fish! (They say,) `I like swordfish, how come you're giving me cod?' Guess what? Cod's on the menu today.

According to the AP, this person also said the Afghans don't understand the extent to which the U.S. is in economic distress or the "sacrifices that America is making to provide for their security.

I couldn't agree more with this person's observations, and I know they carry more weight than mine -- much more weight. This person happens to be Maj. Gen. Peter Fuller, No. 2 general in charge of training Afghan troops and police.

Fuller's words carry so much more weight that, on Friday, Maj. Gen. Fuller was relieved of command by Marine Gen. John R. Allen, commander of all U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan.

Gen Allen said in a statement:

These unfortunate comments are neither indicative of our current solid relationship with the government of Afghanistan, its leadership, or our joint commitment to prevail here in Afghanistan... The Afghan people are an honorable people, and comments such as these will not keep us from accomplishing our most critical and shared mission -- bringing about a stable, peaceful and prosperous Afghanistan.

According to the AP:

There was no indication whether Fuller will be reassigned or if he would retire...

A native of Andover, Mass., Fuller was commissioned a second lieutenant in 1980 after graduating from the University of Vermont with a bachelor of arts in history and political science. He also holds a master's degree in public administration from Shippensburg University in Shippensburg, Pa.

Not much reaction from the Pentagon, but plenty of (unedited) reaction from -- for example -- readers of the military oriented Stars and Stripes:

We finally have a senior leader who is willing to tell the public the unvarnished truth and his supervisor doesn't have the courage to stand by him. Not difficult to determine which is the politician and which is the leader. Disgraceful and embarrassing.

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General Allen should have been thinking about the sacrifices of our fine dedicated troops instead of trying to cover for that corrupt phoney Karzai and his criminal cronies. Such a knee jerk reaction of General Allen questions his leadership abilities. He should have fell on his sword for General Fuller if necessary because General Fuller told the truth. That would have been an example of true leadership.

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This is really sad. It's about time the folks at the top stopped calling their staff out and firing them for telling the truth. Karzai's government is a bottomless pit of erratic behavior and policies, corruption, and is willing to support Pakistan if the US ever goes to war with the Paki's. Let's hope we never are stupid enough to go down that endless rabbit hole, and someone throw our troops a life line; a way out of this mess.

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The political storm on this is just about to start. General Allen should have been fired for not supporting General Fuller for telling the truth.


 
 
 
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12:07 PM on 11/08/2011
Gen. Fuller should have known that it was inappropriate for someone in his position to criticize Karzai publicly because the official policy of our government is to support Karzai. By making statements to Politico that are inconsistent with the official policy of the American government, including its military, he showed very poor judgment. That alone justified his removal.

Nevertheless, I agree with the sentiment of Gen. Fuller's comments. The simple fact is that American policy is at odds with reality. Of course Afghanistan would side with Pakistan in a war with the United States. They both share large populations of Pashtun, who are more loyal to their own tribe/clan than they are to any political entity (such as Afghanistan or Pakistan) created by Western powers during the colonial days.

Afghanistan has no strategic or tactical value to the United States. It made sense for the US military to enter Afghanistan to try to capture/kill Osama Bin Laden and to remove the Taliban from power in response to the Taliban's hosting of Al Qaeda before and after 9/11. However, once the Taliban had been deposed and Bin Laden had been allowed to escape, we should have withdrawn our military after making it clear to the people of Afghanistan and the world that we would return if, and only if, Afghanistan once again served as a host country for Al Qaeda and/or its leadership.
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11:57 AM on 11/08/2011
We set Karzai up as a puppet under the mistaken belief that Afghanistan is a unified nation that could be guided as a client-state. That was never the case. The culture of Aghanistan remains primarily tribal. That means that any central political figures need to be able to change sides swiftly simply in order to survive.
Our presence there just makes more of a mess out of a messy situation, to our detriment. We need to pull out all troops and rethink our entire strategy towards the whole region. Afghanistan will never be an ally, no matter how many Taliban we kill, no matter how many roads we build (at enormous US tax-payer expense). Accept it and move on.