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All That Glitters: An American in Vietnam

Posted: 03/07/11 09:08 AM ET

Nothing had adequately prepared me for a recent visit to Vietnam. I knew about the burgeoning economy, the booming tourist industry (500,000 visitors in January), the industriousness of the people, and even more about the corruption and repressive government. But as the bus turned into the main square of Ho Chi Minh City, formerly Saigon, I gasped like a child who for the first time was seeing the curtain rise on the magical beauty of The Nutcracker. It was the end of Tet, the Lunar New Year.

The streets were ablaze with thousands of delicate lights, entire palm trees were festooned like elaborate Christmas packages and as far as the eye could see, delicate light bulbs wove dancing webs of color across streets. Underneath, thousands of mopeds carried dangerously-overweight loads; some with a grandparent on the back and a child standing sturdily on the front frame were being driven by a stolid looking parent. The mopeds wove in and out of death-defying traffic, often at acute angles across each other's paths and the ever-increasing number of cars, mostly SUVs. The traffic lights provided at best only guidelines. Most striking were the handsome young moped drivers, dressed to the nines in the latest fashions but carefully helmeted as the law decrees.
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This did not look like the place that would answer the question over which I had been obsessing since I entered the country: "How could they have forgiven us?"

The previous week I had covered almost 300 miles of waterways, stopping at more than a dozen villages, floating fish farms, rice paddies, vegetable gardens, small factories, markets, temples, palaces, and museums along the Mekong Delta, even riding in a vertebrae-shattering ox-drawn cart. (This was not a trip for the fainthearted.)

As a graduate student in the 1960s, I was a certified Peacenik -- appalled by American barbarities in Vietnam that forever changed the World War II image of the United States and Americans of themselves. Even now it is too painful to think about the My Lai Massacre or the indelible picture of a napalm inflamed child running naked down a road in an attempt to flee from American bombers. What has made it possible for the villagers who greeted us enthusiastically to teach their little children to smile beguilingly as yet one more wave of camera-intrusive Americans barged into their neighborhoods? Hearing "Hello, hello, hello" chanted with the six tones of the Vietnamese language made each child sound like a children's choir. It was only when I reached the village closest to Ho Chi Minh City that the wave of the hand turned into an outstretched palm. Innocence was being lost.

My mission in HCM City was to visit the faculty of the Fulbright Economics Teaching Program at the University of Economics where I thought I could test the accumulated answers to my question with a professional group of Vietnamese academics. Founded in 1994 through a joint effort of two famous Vietnam veterans -- Senators John Kerry and John McCain -- the School, autonomous and highly regarded, is funded by the State Department and in affiliation with Harvard Kennedy School; it grants a Master's Degree in Public Policy.

The answers to my question had many parts, some more weighty than others, but almost to a person -- everyone from local guides, to professors, and senior staff at the American Embassy in Hanoi -- immediately responded: more than 60% of the Vietnamese population was born after the end of the war. The collective memory is fast fading and all eyes are on the future.

Others mentioned that because the majority of the country practices Buddhism, in which forgiveness is a major tenet, the religion has created an environment for forgetting the past.

Still others believe that Vietnam needs America to stave off the perceived Chinese threat. The rapid increase in China's militarization has created angst about China's territorial aims. Vietnam over the course of its 2,700 year existence has been invaded or colonized by China, the Mongols, Japan, France, and, of course, the U.S. As an amused young Vietnamese professor explained to me: "We've been invaded by so many countries that if we didn't forgive them, we wouldn't have any allies."

But floating above all of these partial answers to my guilt-laden question was one word: Trade. That is what has made the Vietnamese forgive the war: the driving ambition to create a vibrant economy much like China's. To do so it needs America (among others) as a trading partner. Last year Vietnamese exports to the U.S. totaled $18.3 billion. Seafood, clothing, shoes, and furniture were among the increasing number of products.

Whether the conversation was about national goals of improving the economy or on a small scale -- bargaining in the many markets -- everything appeared to be about "making the deal." The superb cuisine at the buffets in posh hotels reflected the diversity of who was "making the deal" in Vietnam: Chinese, Korean, German, American, French, and, of course, Vietnamese national dishes sometimes covered several rooms where business people could meet in small and sometimes larger groups with Vietnamese "deal makers." Of course, the big deal maker, the Communist government, was making its deals in private.

But like the elegant Crème Brulee introduced by the French to Vietnam, a slight tap of the brittle caramel, and the slick surface cracked. In every conversation (except with officials of course), an unattractive underside was revealed. Directly under the glitter are the squalid realities of a politically repressive system, whispered about or ignored in conversations with foreigners.

Corruption is endemic. Government officials confiscate neighborhoods, which they then sell to developers. The locals are expelled to shabby communes outside the cities. Education is in shambles. The government controls university curricula, lecture topics, reading lists, and examinations. Consequently, the very talent that is needed to develop science and engineering or a strong academic system goes elsewhere.

Poverty and unemployment are significant even though, like the Chinese, the Vietnamese have managed to cut abject poverty significantly. Wages remain shockingly low. Censorship is rife and Facebook is banned. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists (U.S.) before the 2011 Communist Party Congress meetings, Internet cafes and blogs were closely watched; dozens of activists and bloggers were arrested for "spreading propaganda against the state." The government dismantled websites, and a number of journalists remain in jail.

So what does the future hold? Can the Communist government, like China's, loosen some controls enough to allow capitalism to gain an increasing foothold and a substantial middle-class develop? How much repression will a growing middle class tolerate? During February the first pictures of the Middle East revolutions began to appear on hotel CNN channels. The memorable image of an Egyptian revolutionary with a cellphone in one hand and a rock in the other has as yet no resonance in Vietnam. Here, as the waves of mopeds and SUVs continue to surge toward new business opportunities in Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi, for the foreseeable future the image of 'the cellphone in one hand and a Gucci shopping bag in the other" is more likely to hold sway.

 
 
 
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jessiependergrass
12:59 AM on 03/19/2011
This is definitely written like someone who has only visited the country. Please live here for at least a year and see how complicated it really is. I know many Vietnamese people who are thrilled at the jobs globalization has brought because their children "have opportunities they never did." It doesn't mean I agree with it, but it changes your perspective.
02:54 PM on 03/08/2011
I like how veterans who insist they could have won don't know what they were fighting for. They were fighting to murder millions of you know what charming epithet they called them starting with a g. Wonderful.
02:53 PM on 03/08/2011
The Vietnam War was a war of national liberation, oh, ye ignorant of history. Ideology has nothing to do with it. They wanted all invaders out. Their war with the US was just an extension of their near-century-long war with France, which was an extension of their 1000-year-long war with China. You teabaggers can crab about socialism all you want. That isn't the point. Vietnam wanted all interfering foreigners out. And after a war of liberation lasting 1100 years, they succeeded. Congratulations.
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Rus Viking
"The opposite of courage, is conformity."
09:44 PM on 03/07/2011
"Corruption is endemic. Government officials confiscate neighborhoods, which they then sell to developers. The locals are expelled to shabby communes outside the cities. Education is in shambles. The government controls university curricula, lecture topics, reading lists, and examinations. Consequently, the very talent that is needed to develop science and engineering or a strong academic system goes elsewhere.

Poverty and unemployment are significant even though, like the Chinese, the Vietnamese have managed to cut abject poverty significantly. Wages remain shockingly low. Censorship is rife and Facebook is banned. According to the Committee to Protect Journalists (U.S.) before the 2011 Communist Party Congress meetings, Internet cafes and blogs were closely watched; dozens of activists and bloggers were arrested for "spreading propaganda against the state." The government dismantled websites, and a number of journalists remain in jail."
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Well!

If that isn't a advertisement for more Government Social Programs, I don't know what is?
08:47 PM on 03/07/2011
Funny, they resisted the bombs but not the one "soft bomb" of capitalism.
05:52 PM on 03/07/2011
Communism can only prosper if there is a market for the "Slave Labor" produced products.
05:23 PM on 03/07/2011
Well, in the end run, they will get more American jobs. Just what the neocon's ordered.
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
05:20 PM on 03/07/2011
> "If the shoe were on the other foot, we would never be as forgiving.­"

We seem to have forgiven the British, the Germans, the Japanese and even the Confederacy.
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FearlessFreep
I'm actually a radical leftist
05:27 PM on 03/07/2011
But the sons of the Confederacy haven't forgiven the Union.
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
05:44 PM on 03/07/2011
True enough. :-(
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Rus Viking
"The opposite of courage, is conformity."
09:46 PM on 03/07/2011
And Vice Versa, No?
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Robert SF
04:29 PM on 03/07/2011
We weren't really fighting against Vietnam. It was a civil war in which we took a side. And too bad the good guys lost. Otherwise, Vietnam might have been another South Korea.
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FearlessFreep
I'm actually a radical leftist
05:19 PM on 03/07/2011
Wishful thinking.
08:48 PM on 03/07/2011
but so true.
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Rus Viking
"The opposite of courage, is conformity."
09:55 PM on 03/07/2011
"It was a civil war"

Stunningly wrong.
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
11:36 PM on 03/07/2011
In what way was he wrong?
04:20 PM on 03/07/2011
A cogent question is: What would Vietnam be like today of we had won?
04:26 PM on 03/07/2011
Pretty much the same, both outcomes seem to lead to capitalism and hyperconsumerism.
05:24 PM on 03/07/2011
"Hyperconsumerism"? Neat word. I suggest that hyperconsumerism is buying more that the consumer can afford. I also suggest that hypergovernment spending is a government doing the same. Both conditions should be avoided and for the same reason. Sky high debt. Eventually people and governments cannot pay it back. Bankruptcy looms. Our people try to not get into such an economic condition but our federal and govenment led by Democrats, revel in it. If overspending is wrong for consumers it is also wrong for governments.


Here's a unusual idea. Let's all just spend what we can afford to spend. If one can afford to buy a lot of stuff, then do. Consumerism brings prosperity, creates jobs and builds wealth - all good things. Government spending, since it is fueled by taxation should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.
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jessiependergrass
12:54 AM on 03/19/2011
You've never been here (to Vietnam) have you?
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
05:16 PM on 03/07/2011
Korea
07:21 PM on 03/07/2011
I deployed to Korea. It has the 8th largest economy in the World. The people are free and prosperous. Been to Soul lately? It looks like LA.
04:10 PM on 03/07/2011
Dear Dorothy:

Kim Phúc was not “running naked down a road in an attempt to flee from American bombers.”

The village of Trang Bang was napalmed by South Vietnamese pilots from the 518th Vietnamese Air force Squadron, flying propeller driven aircraft in support of the South Vietnamese Army’s 25th Division.

It happened right at 1400 in the afternoon, and was the act of a South Vietnamese pilot; not “American bombers.”
09:28 PM on 03/07/2011
Dorothy does not care. She prefers to be clueless and spread misinformation.
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FearlessFreep
I'm actually a radical leftist
12:01 AM on 03/08/2011
By "American bombers," did Dorothy mean American-made airplanes? (The term can mean planes that bomb or people who bomb.)
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MilesToGo
03:43 PM on 03/07/2011
Thanks for the report, Dorothy. As a combat veteran of Vietnam ('68-'69), the natural beauty of the country impressed me, along with the character and intelligence of the people. I still carry the literal and figurative scars of my experience there, which ultimately I became grateful for because I learned things not available otherwise. It's good to read that things are improving for so many good and gentle people, as I have often wondered about the fate of so many Vietnamese I befriended.

Yes, the government is out of step with its people. But we can be hopeful that some beneficial influence may result from what's happening in autocratic Muslim-majority nations. I did see one report indicating unrest and awareness among some of the population in Vietnam as a result of Muslim rebellions. Peaceful change is possible, and America should encourage it.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
02:38 PM on 03/07/2011
I suspect that most Vietnamese understand that US policy in Vietnam did not represent the desire of most Americans. Indeed, the Vietnamese people looked up to the United States: on the day that he died, Ho Chi Minh had on his desk a book about John Brown.

My parents are going to Vietnam and Cambodia next year.
04:31 PM on 03/07/2011
I was a naval aviator during the conflict. I have some good friends who were imprisoned in the Hanoi Hilton. I cannot flush from my memory their inhumane treatment. Forgive? Yes, sure, forgiveness is good, but do we forgive the Nazi deathcamp guards?

The bitterness of that war and the profound sadness I felt after our loss has not left me. I had so many great friends, really good guys, who never came back. Today the left in this nation declare it a wonderful moment of victory for their side. I see it as a defeat for freedom as the article mentions in its final paragraphs. It is so sad.
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Titus
Bourbon, no ice
05:00 PM on 03/07/2011
I'm sorry you are continuing to carry the ghosts of a long past war. It was a terrible thing and the toll it has taken on those involved is likely incalculable. I would say one should never forgive the act, nor the person committing the act, but definitely the people at large. I don't want the Japanese to judge me by the act of our nation in World War II that involved the atomic bombs being dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

I am very sorry for the loss of your friends. It was a terrible time.
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chicagomike
05:17 PM on 03/07/2011
I respect your service but I must disagree -- there was no "freedom" in South Vietnam to be defeated. It was a repressive, corrupt oligarchy which was succeeded by a repressive, corrupt military dictatorship, both propped up by first France and then the US and lacking in public support. If the current government also happens to be repressive and corrupt, at least it is a government of Vietnamese free of foreign control.
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FearlessFreep
I'm actually a radical leftist
05:21 PM on 03/07/2011
When the Viet Minh declared their independence in 1945, they borrowed from the US Declaration of Independence.
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researcher
02:27 PM on 03/07/2011
"And in the end "it looks like we won the war". We got exactly what we wanted. A stable country, that could be a hedge against China, that was a good trading partner".

consider yourself as one of those americans that does not have a clue. after all the fire bombs did not drop on your family's home did it.

god the arrogance and ignorance of most americans with our wars for corp profits is unbelievable.

sad to see.
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drjasonmd
Shalom, compa!
03:56 PM on 03/07/2011
I think the point was that the same result was achieved, laying bare all the myth of Vietnam being one in a series of dominoes that would fall and threaten the US.
05:28 PM on 03/07/2011
Absolutely spot on. Past USA BS:

The Russians are going to walk across the north pole, fear.
The Vietnamese are going to swim to Los Angeles, fear.
Saddam's missiles with a range of 100 miles are going to hit New York, fear.

Your trumped up BS the world is getting quite tired of.
luckybear
Coffee Drinker
04:58 PM on 03/07/2011
So what? Life goes on. Terrible things happen all the time. We leveled Tokyo; I drive a Japanese Car. We "strategically" bombed Germany; my parents drive Germany cars. The Vietnam war was a mistake but life goes on. Why dwell on the past? We can't bring back those we killed. If we avoided contact with countries we've wronged or slighted in the past we'd exclude a lot of countries to talk and trade with.

Liberal trade allows for mutual gains and hopefully I higher standard of living for Vietnamese. In the end that is worth more than a simple apology. Staying bitter doesn't make the world a better place.
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
05:18 PM on 03/07/2011
Fanned and faved.

We were in Israel and we were astounded by the number of German cars there. "That was decades ago," our friend said. "It's not like the people making VWs today were responsible for what happened." What you said is absolutely right.
05:29 PM on 03/07/2011
It reads as though you do not mind if the USA just destroys the world; that is life. Horrible attitude.
researcher
researcher
02:20 PM on 03/07/2011
"If the shoe were on the other foot, we would never be as forgiving."

amen we killed one million vietnamese and untold suffering for millions of others and we still have not asked for forgiveness as a government.

we are an immoral society with our wars for corp profits and most americans dont have a clue.

now we are again in two illegal wars. when will we learn, oh when will we learn the costs to others and ourselves for our wars for corp profits. when indeed.
04:44 PM on 03/07/2011
I have never understood why the left lauds victory for the oppressors. Nor have I been able to fathom why they overtly support our enemies when our troops are still in the field. While I was a military man I always considered that we were fighting for freedom and I that our enemy was a representative of the dark side. I still do.

I do not think that the left really understands the result of their support of anti-American forces. While Vietnam is quiet now the people are not free. They live under the heavy burden of corruption, therefore; it is likely that little works very well. The people of Vietnam would be better off if the forces of freedom had won. Is there an example of an enslaved people being more prosperous that those who are free? I think not. I guess we can thank Jane Fonda.
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
09:17 PM on 03/07/2011
Your post brings to mind the thought that there are more Vietnamese who forgive America than Americans who forgive Jane Fonda...put your hate to rest.
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RRK70
12:28 AM on 03/08/2011
Do you for one moment actually think the Vietnamese were free under Diem?  What makes you think there wouldn't be corruption in Vietnam had the US  "won"?  We are currently supporting two corrupt governments in Iraq and Afghanistan!  War is never a pollyanna endeavor where one side is "angelic" and the other side "demonic"