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Steve Martin and the Latest Mammography Recommendations

Posted: 12/03/09 06:41 PM ET

The recent recommendation from the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force that women should no longer routinely start getting screening for mammograms at age 40 is the latest example of a time-honored tradition of doctors changing their minds. While frustrating for patients, that tradition is a good thing.

A recent review found that, in general, medical advice changes about every five and a half years because of new evidence. There are many examples in the past decade alone. In 2002, the Women's Health Initiative found that hormone replacement therapy, formerly thought to protect against heart disease, actually increases the risk of heart disease and breast cancer. Since 2005, several studies have shown that, contrary to previous assumptions, B6, B12 and folic acid don't prevent heart disease. Last year, a large trial challenged the belief that selenium and vitamin E can help prevent prostate cancer.

Patients should be wary of recommendations that are set in stone. Few things frighten me more than a doctor who is not open to the possibility of being wrong. For thousands of years, holes were drilled in the skulls of patients to release pressure or evil spirits, and as recently as the 1920s people were bled to help restore the correct balance of "bodily humors."

The cocksure physician was perfectly parodied by Steve Martin, who memorably played the bloodletting, leech-applying medieval barber Theodoric of York (Watch the clip here) in a 1978 "Saturday Night Live" skit. Responding to a mother's plea to help her ill daughter, he says:

"Well, I'll do everything humanly possible. But unfortunately, we barbers are not gods. You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, we would have thought your daughter's illness was brought on by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach."

When her daughter dies after a bloodletting, the mother lashes out at Theodoric of York:

Mother: "You charlatan! You killed my children, just like you killed the rest of my family! Why don't you admit it! You don't know what you're doing!"

Theodoric of York: "Wait a minute. Perhaps she's right. Perhaps I've been wrong to blindly follow the medical traditions and superstitions of the past centuries. Maybe we barbers should test those assumptions analytically, through experimentation and a "scientific method." Perhaps this scientific method could be extended to other fields of learning: the natural sciences, art, architecture, navigation. Perhaps I could lead the way to a new age, an age of rebirth, a Renaissance! [he thinks for a few seconds] Naaaaaahhh!"

I think this should be required viewing in all medical schools. It was the "scientific method" nearly invented by Theodoric of York that, when it finally arrived, made medical knowledge a moving target. The best physicians understand that they can never entirely master a discipline that remains an art as much as a science. They welcome new ideas, even if it means abandoning comfortable, preconceived notions. They also understand that new information is not necessarily the best information and are open to lessons from the past. In recent years, leeches have made a comeback - not for bloodletting but to help with wound-healing. Neurosurgeons still drill holes in patients' heads - to relieve pressure caused by bleeding inside the skull. And bloodletting has persisted as a treatment for iron overload in the body (hemochromatosis).

I've often thought, "What am I doing today that will seem utterly ridiculous to doctors a hundred years from now?" I recently came across a book called The Cottage Physician, written "For Individual and Family Use" by Dr. George W. Post at the end of the 19th century. It sits by the side of my bed and I read a few pages now and then - both for entertainment and perspective. In a section called "Diseases of the Heart," Dr. Post describes the recommended treatment of the era:

"In all cases of heart disease, the body and mind should be kept as easy and cheerful as possible. The diet should be well regulated, - nourishing but not stimulating. Coffee, tea, liquors, and tobacco must be dispensed with. The feet should be kept dry and warm, and occasionally rubbed with mustard.

For inflammatory diseases of the heart, the bowels, if constipated may be moved with compound tincture of jalap. To each dose add ten grains of cream of tartar. Keep up a perspiration till the pain is relieved by giving a teaspoonful of compound tincture of Virginia snakeroot; also a warm infusion of pleurisy root. Mustard plasters over the chest and spinal column are also to be employed. If the patient is troubled with sleeplessness, give eight to ten grains of compound powder of ipecac and opium (Dover's powder) at bedtime."

For this week's CBS Doc Dot Com, Dr. Christopher P. Cannon, a cardiologist at Harvard Medical School, discusses the latest recommendation for heart health described in his new book, The New Heart Disease Handbook. While watching the segment, you might ask yourself, "A hundred years from now, which suggestions will still ring true and which will go the way of ipecac and opium?"



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09:49 AM on 12/04/2009
Hmmm, How about Leaving Medical decisions between a Doctor and his/her Patient?

If the Dr. and the Patient believe there is good reason, at age 25, why not just Cover the damn thing?

Steve, I love ya...But you don't have quite the Same risk as Women do.

How about postponing Prostrate Exams instead for cost saving?
09:28 AM on 12/04/2009
I totally disagree with you. That time honoured tradition is a load of poopoo. That decision probably came from a group of MEN who that time honoured tradition said don't need a mammo til 50, and a few bought and paid for women. It is as callous and senseless a guideline as a colonoscopy, waiting til 50. The fastest growing age group for colorectal cancer in this country is between the age of 18-35. Yes, that same time honoured tradition you speak of has sent them away by the thousands with diagnosis' of rectal bleeding, being told they were too young to have it be anything but hemorrhoids, only to have some surgeon down the road removing a golf ball size tumor. America is poisoning itself. The FDA is a corporate entity that cares little about the safety of Americans and cares a whole lot about their profits NEVER being interfered with. So, my advice to anyone who listens to the guideline babble is TELL THEM TO HELL WITH THEIR GUIDELINES AND ORDER UP THAT TESTS OR ELSE.
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pinellas
09:03 AM on 12/04/2009
These are very nicely argued points by LaPook.
& I realise it's an opinion piece, but how about, in all the crafted rhetoric, some actual explanation of what the study actually FOUND? IMO, the real findings of the study & its methodology are way more convincing then the glittering generalities presented here....

http://medicalconsumers.org/2009/11/18/latest-mammogram-uproar/

IMPO, HuffPo should be linking to articles from MedicalConsumers.org regularly.
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DrLaPook
Medical Correspondent, CBS Evening News with Scott
05:04 PM on 12/04/2009
Dear Pinellas,
Thanks so much for your comments. I was just using the recent controversy over screening mammography as an example of doctors changing their minds.

I addressed some of the specifics of the screening mammography controversy in a previous blog. A few weeks ago (11/19), right after the new recommendations came out, I did a live webcast with two experts addressing the most common questions our CBS viewers were asking about the new breast screening guidelines. The experts were Dr. Freya Schnabel, Director of Breast Surgery, NYU Langone Medical Center and Professor of Surgery at NYU School of Medicine and Dr. David Dershaw, Director of Breast Imaging at Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. Here's a link to my Huffington Post blog that day (which contains a link to the webcast):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-jon-lapook/doctors-answer-mammogram_b_364213.html

Best,
Jon
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TakeSake
The United States for All Americans
08:01 AM on 12/04/2009
You could say that there is some amount of "masteria" on both sides.
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Delia Lloyd
American journalist/blogger based in London
07:55 AM on 12/04/2009
Thanks for this post. I love the Stever Martin reference! I am also relieved that doctors change their minds, and particularly in the mammogram case as I think we've been over-screening for years and that's not just bad medicine but bad public health. (And on a private note, I've known Chris Cannon my entire life-how odd to see him on your show!)
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VA Lady2008
07:04 AM on 12/04/2009
Women are rightfully wary of government spewed "recommendations." We ladies of a 'certain age' well remember that Medicare was more than willing to cover Viagra, which meant, for the most part that health insurance companies followed suit, even while continuing to REFUSE to cover the cost of contraceptives. In the end, it took individual LAWS in many states to force insurance companies to cover the cost of screening mammograms.

Anyone who thinks that the insurance companies would have refused, once again, to cover the cost of mammograms needs to wake up and smell the coffee. WOMEN are cheap, expendible, and generally fungible commodities.

I'm sorry it took an act of Congress to ensure that insurance companies will be FORCED to continue to provide this mammo coverage, but experience shows that it will.
SouthernBlueBelle
Old and fed up
07:32 AM on 12/04/2009
The insurance companies, with this latest recommendation, will stop paying for the mammograms until you are over the latest age threshold. Then it will be limited to every 2 years. Does anybody NOT believe this is the results of insurance company "trials"?
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fcsakes
05:27 AM on 12/04/2009
"In all cases of heart disease, the body and mind should be kept as easy and cheerful as possible..."

That is, as a matter of fact, excellent advice for most of the ills afflicting mind and body.
09:17 AM on 12/04/2009
Actually the ipecac and opium sounds pretty good too...
04:18 AM on 12/04/2009
What makes screening guidelines so difficult to decide on, and subject to revision over time, is that there are real risks to the patient involved in various screening procedures. The downside that must be balanced against the number of people who benefit from the screening is not just the monetary cost of doing it but the chance of real harm to some individuals. In mammography that risk is the creation of new cancers from radiation exposure, cancers that predictably get more common with cumulative exposure.

This means that the earlier you begin doing mammograms the more cancers you create by the screening. And since the occurrence rate gets lower with age, at some point the number harmed exceeds the number helped. Taking into account family risk and genetic factors can identify subgroups that benefit from earlier screening, but for the general population that break even point is probably closer to 50 than 40.

This is why the testimonials from women saved by mammograms as evidence for the evils of "rationing" are so misleading. For every one of these stories there might be two women whose cancers were caused by mammography, but those two women don't know who they are. The harm and the benefit happen to different people, but because cancers don't announce themselves as radiation induced there is no way of identifying the exact patients harmed. The ones saved are very specific and have a dramatic story to tell, but those harmed are no less real.
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ZoeyMO
11:10 AM on 12/04/2009
Excellent post! Exactly what I've been thinking about, but put very clearly. I think most women probably have an intuition about what level of screening is right for them. My sister had breast cancer soon after turning 50, but I was only about 34 at the time. According to the guidelines then in place I should begin mammograms at 35. I did one then, but discovered that at that age my breast tissue was so dense that the mammogram was next to useless. I spent the years from 38 to 45 having three babies and I managed to have two more mammograms in those years. Mammograms that were strongly recommended by my doctors. I am soon to be 49 and have not had one since 44. I'm in no hurry. In fact, I may even switch to thermography.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
12:00 AM on 12/04/2009
Good old Theodoric of York! Where would we be without him?
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Carachama
I'm not apt to follow blindly the lead of others
10:52 PM on 12/03/2009
The more you talk to doctors, the more you realize how little they do know. Medicine is more art than science. Too many people think that their doctors are going to give them miracle cures for whatever ails them, but we don't know enough yet to do so. I'd be willing to bet that in 100 years, half of what is standard today will be considered akin to witchcraft.
08:19 PM on 12/03/2009
Changing their mind one thing...this is not a good thing, This has no other appearance other than to deny preventative care in order to save a non related third party some cash. It's just wrong in this case. Women need this test to begin at 40 and sometimes sooner, lives and much more are saved and that is more important the worrying about worrying some poor little female because we are strong enough to take it. This is bad medicine Doctor. Sure I don't have a medical degree but I cannot find a reason to agree with this particular suggestion. Mammograms for all under a single payer system if you please!
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Evelyn
09:16 PM on 12/03/2009
How much sooner? 30? 25? 20? 14? I mean, why take a chance, right? If we could save one life by testing millions and millions of women.....

However, we don't use this kind of logic in other areas of life. If 65 mph on highways is safer than 75, and 55 is safer than 65, why not go all the way? We could save thousands of life by mandating 25 mph on all our freeways.

But of course, that would be absurd. The cost would be exorbitant, and the simple fact is, we're willing to sacrifice a certain number of lives in order to have an efficient highway system.
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ZoeyMO
11:13 AM on 12/04/2009
The post you're responding to also completely leaves out the fact that risk of breast cancer actually INCREASES with every mammogram you get. So, if you're paranoid about getting breast cancer and start getting mammograms before you're 40 (at which time your breasts are so dense that mammography is almost useless) then you are actually increasing the likelihood that you will CREATE a cancer. That has major public health ramifications if done on a large scale.
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DrLaPook
Medical Correspondent, CBS Evening News with Scott
09:22 PM on 12/03/2009
The specifics of the mammography debate is a whole different blog! The recommendations of the task force were very controversial and obviously precipitated a healthy national conversation. The point of this blog was not to defend the task force's conclusions but to point out the importance of continuously examining the risks and benefits of doctors' recommendations. That tradition of looking carefully and critically at what we are recommending is a good thing but leads to frustration when we doctors end up contradicting today what we just said yesterday.