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Erdogan in Cairo: Not a New Nasser

Posted: 09/13/11 02:20 PM ET

This is the season of hot air in the Middle East and PM Erdogan of Turkey has more of his fair share of it. Not a day passes without a threat/warning/challenge directed at Israel. One threat, which rose eyebrows, was to send the Turkish navy to escort and defend the next flotilla to Gaza. Hours after, the PM office published a clarification, according to which the translation to English was faulty. In the meantime, there were those in Israel who recalled the story about the Ottoman admiral who was sent to attack Malta, but did not find it... "Malta yok," he informed his superiors ("No Malta...).

Funny stuff aside, the current state of affairs between Israel and Turkey is bad enough. Belligerent statements can just inflame it and take it out of control. So was the case with the initial reaction of Foreign Minister Lieberman. As if by Pavlovian reflex, sources close to the hawkish FM that he would retaliate by meeting in public with Armenian and Kurdish adversaries of Turkey. It was PM Netanyahu who displayed enough diplomatic acumen and his office dismissed the hot air originating from the Foreign Ministry office.

Beyond that, the Israeli reaction is very muted, and there are those who argue on the basis of watching Erdogan in action, that this is the right reaction, if the idea is to calm the high tempers in Ankara. In the meantime, the dynamic Premier is issuing threats against Cyprus over plans to produce newly-discovered natural gas and oil off its shores, a threat that put the Greeks on guard. The Turkish Interior Minister threatens to invade Northern Iraq to put an end to Kurdish guerrilla operations against Turkey, and in the background there is the Turkish threat to intervene in Syria, in order to put an end to the massacre there. All in all, a lot of production for just one week of activity in Ankara.

Now Erdogan is visiting Cairo, in what is regarded, somewhat prematurely, as an historic visit, and the anti-Israel rhetoric is already in full force. Ahead of the visit, there is a choir of adulating commentators who already compare the Turkish leader to the late Egyptian and Arab icon, Gamal Abd Al-Nasser. Nasser, it needs to be mentioned, lost two wars to Israel, and with it the Sinai Peninsula and Gaza. In the last years of his reign, his regime had increasing difficulties providing enough basic food to millions of desperately poor Egyptians. But then, Nasser was the great hero of Pan-Arabism, as he stood up to the West and Israel. When he died, millions of Arabs poured to the streets of the entire ME and mourned the departure of the leader who, so they chanted, restored Arab national pride and honor. Honor is a precious commodity in the political culture of the Middle East, and no other than PM Erdogan acknowledged it the other day, when he declared that no matter what price would Turkey have to pay for its conflict with Israel, national Turkish honor was on the line.

This is the same Erdogan who publicly condemned the Netanyahu government for being arrogant, by preferring Israeli national honor over maintaining good relations with Turkey. So, national honor and pride played a major role in the political career of Nasser, but did not prevent him from leading his nation to defeats and humiliation. It is very doubtful whether this part of the Nasser legacy is what Erdogan wishes to emulate. Above and beyond, Nasser was an Arab leader, and even he failed in the sacred mission of his life, uniting the Arabs and defeating Israel. What an Arab leader failed to do, a non-Arab leader will fail as well. Nor the non-Arab and Shi'ite Ahmadinejad of Iran, neither a Sunni non-Arab Turkish leader.

Even the increasingly anti-Israel rhetoric and actions of Erdogan will not do the trick for him. If at all, a Turkish intervention in Syria could endear Erdogan on Arab leaders, as such an intervention will address two problems, much higher on the political agenda of many leaders in the Middle East, the desire to get rid of the Alawite regime in Syria and the setback to Iran as a result of that. This is an option that the Turks still keep open.

That said, the comparison with Nasser may very well be a dubious compliment to PM Erdogan, perhaps another comparison is in line with the true aspirations of the Turkish leader, that with the great Saladdin, who recaptured Jerusalem from the Crusaders in 1187, but alas, a little reminder is in place here. Saladdin was an ethnic Kurd... is there a need to elaborate beyond that?...

 
 
 
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05:39 AM on 09/15/2011
I thought the article was about Erdogan's trip to Egypt.

Not Saladdin's recapture of Jerusalem.

You have a hard time focusing, eh?

I think the trip was timely and if he achieves his goal admirable.

From my reading of the reports of his trip, he is trying to head off another Taliban like government in Egypt by the Muslim Brotherhood.

And trying to coax Egypt to have a secular government with Islamic roots like Turkey.

One that respects religious minorities.

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/495651

The picture is of his meeting with the head of the Coptic Church in Cairo.

Next time, try focusing a little harder.

Everything is not just about Israel.
Bernique
Solar is clean, cheap and plentiful
08:52 PM on 09/14/2011
So the Arab Spring protests in North Africa will turn these formerly very secular countries into "U.S.-approved" semi-Islamic, semi-democracies? I don't see that as human progress. Turkey is the flavor du jour, but I doubt that the arab countries will see it that way.
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skialethia
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02:08 PM on 09/14/2011
I believe it is necessary to elaborate beyond the point expressed in the last paragraph. It's funny how so often one starts off writing something to teach others a lesson when the lesson ends up being on them. Erdogan has managed to do what many Americans wish the U.S. would do: break off a relationship that has become a burden, a liability and that is leading down a destructive path. Allies one day can become foes in the future, as in the example being used by the author, but this applies in all cases. One day down the line in future, if Israel keeps on the path that it's chosen, America might rethink this relationship as Turkey is doing today. Now it's proven presumptuous in many cases throughout history to state that'll never happen, so never say never.

As for the Kurds and Turks. Circumstances change and tides change and you never know when two past foes will set aside their differences to start building on common ground. Israelis and Kurds are not natural allies. Israel tends to attract "friends" in need and uses them for propaganda purposes or as a means to an end as in the case of Greece, but when that relationships starts to become a burden or inconvenient, these friends will rethink the relationship. It's not a question of "if" but "when".

http://en.aswataliraq.info/Default1.aspx?page=article_page&id=144792&l=1
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Vinny123
08:49 PM on 09/14/2011
However, what your prognosis relating to Israel potentially being abandoned by the US omits is that at this time it is NOT Israel that NATO countries including the US skeptical are about BUT Turkey! The grossly inappropriate reaction of Erdogan to the Palmer Panel Report, an investigation Erdogan demanded, leading to his attacking and cutting ties with Israel, as well as his befriending rogue countries such as Iran and Syria, has seriously compromised Erdogan's and Turkey's credibility in the eyes of NATO members.
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bksg
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08:52 AM on 09/15/2011
Vinny123: Erdogan had every right to be upset about the Palmer Panel Report because the report was bias and inaccurate!
“A panel of human rights experts reporting to the UN said Israel's naval blockade of Gaza violates international law, disputing a conclusion reached by the Palmer Report on the Israeli raid on the Mavi Marmara, Reuters reports. The panel said the blockade had subjected Gazans to collective punishment in "flagrant contravention of international human rights and humanitarian law." The International Committee of the Red Cross says the blockade violates the Geneva Conventions. Richard Falk, UN special rapporteur on human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories and one of the five experts who issued Tuesday's statement, said the Palmer report's conclusions were influenced by a desire to salve Turkish-Israeli ties.”
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE78C58R20110913
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MarcEdward
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09:35 AM on 09/14/2011
It really shows just how myopic some people are that they only thing they can hear from Erdogan is his disagreements with the current government of Israel. Do you all get that there is more than one nation in the Middle East?
10:37 PM on 09/13/2011
It's amazing. Decades of a peaceful relationship between the two and nary a peep was to be heard from the Israelis about Cyprus or the Kurds or the Armenians and Turkey was nowhere to be found when it came to defending Lebanese and Palestinian innocents. Now that the politicians have axes to grind, pundits have suddenly discovered that they had strong moral positions on topics like Cyprus and so forth all along :)
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blackhawk78
01:05 AM on 09/14/2011
Just like Turkey's been doing with the palis the last decade and now there best bud's
09:16 AM on 09/14/2011
I'm fair enough to admit that it's quite probable average Israelis thought the decent thing to do would be for their government to not lobby the U.S. Congress against acknowledging the Armenian Genocide and polls etc. show the average Turk certainly had sympathy and empathy for Palestinians for years before their government decided to get in on the action. I just think it's funny that now that the governments are at odds, politicians and pundits on both sides have suddenly discovered their moral compasses.
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Jon Jony
07:42 PM on 09/13/2011
In my opinion the Israeli government made a mistake investing so much in the Turkey/Israel relationship (even prior to Erdogan). It seems that Israel's entire Middle East strategy was in many ways anchored around a fairly politically unstable ally.

Turkey - not so long ago was run by a military junta. In addition - there are still unhealthy vestiges of nationalism (even with some religious overtones) and an unrealistic idea that harbors fantasies of an Ottoman like hold and influence on a region which is increasingly reaching out to more democratic forces.

The behavior of Erdogan is an anachronism - dating back to pre Ataturk days and brings back ideals steeped not in democracy and moderation but in demagoguery, rhetoric and the corruption of the Pashas. In fact, this kind of nationalist and authoritarian reflex is part of the reason the EU is so reticent to grant Turkey full membership.

Regardless Israel's heavy reliance on Turkey is proving short sighted. Then again - this kind of myopia tends to be a characteristic of all governments throughout time and history.
10:35 PM on 09/13/2011
Lord knows I've done my fair share of criticizing the Israeli government but in this particular case I'm not sure that knocking them is called for.

You could justly criticize them for not using the past decades to achieve peace with the Palestinians (investing billions of dollars into settlements is a pretty clear sign that peace with the Palestinians was something they felt comfortable continually postponing) and working on establishing better relations with a wider array of neighbors so they aren't so dependent on two - Egypt and Turkey - for their entire regional strategy.

But since for whatever reasons, political, tactical, sincere belief, lack of creativity, whatever it was, they chose not to do that that really did solely leave them with the Turkey and Egypt alliances (if you can call them that) as The Option. I don't know that there was another choice for them in there that they would have found palatable.
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MarcEdward
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09:36 AM on 09/14/2011
In my opinion the Israeli government made a mistake investing so much in the Turkey/Isr­ael relationsh­ip
Gee, because having friends, trade and peace is a bad thing?
07:28 PM on 09/13/2011
Belligerent actions are often followed by belligerent reactions, x1000 in the case of Gaza/Israel. I hope that hot words do not translate into hot actions in this case for the sake of both parties, which seem to be more evenly matched than during the Gaza blitzkrieg. However, chickens do seem to be coming home to roost in a big way.
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Jon Jony
08:08 PM on 09/13/2011
Ya the relationship with Turkey was one that benefited Turkey mostly it seems... The chickens are indeed coming home to roost (though maybe not in the way you mean).
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Freenation
05:40 AM on 09/14/2011
How so, is this the same lame argument which Israeli apologist make regarding USA aid: we are taking this aid and spending in USA and helping out stimulating economy, laughable but it's still FREE money...something like thanks but no thanks..
09:28 AM on 09/14/2011
don't kid yourself . . it benefitted israel . . . lots of israeli's live and work in Turkey
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Jon Jony
05:04 PM on 09/14/2011
Btw I should add that I personally believe that Erdogan never had any intention of having any relationship with Israel - other than one that was adversarial..

In 2009, when he had his little outburst at Shimon Peres - no one understood what specifically triggered (the outburst) at that one particular moment in time... It is more obvious now that Erdogan had to break ties with Israel gradually (he did not have the authority or the political support in Turkey to do so in one particular moment at his leisure or without proper pretext.

Erdogan in short has been looking for the right moments to terminate his relationship with Israel. This is what most people simply do not get. There is absolutely nothing Israel can do to stop him. In fact, even if Israel should apologize to Erdogan (which would be the wrong move both politically and morally) - I truly believe Erdogan would simply find other excuses and demands against Israel.

Israel is doing good by not responding to his outbursts, ignoring him and distancing themselves from Turkey... By ignoring him; it will be very difficult for him to goad Israel and further damage the longterm relations between Turkey and Israel.
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07:26 PM on 09/13/2011
Not a single mention of the Mavi Marmara massacre, when discussing Turkish-Israel relations, is this written in a vacum?
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MarcEdward
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09:38 AM on 09/14/2011
The writer seems to only hear what Erdogan says about Israel but is deaf to what Erdogan says encouraging Muslims to embrace secularism, which ANY westerner should applaud.
05:59 PM on 09/13/2011
Both the Turkish and Israeli governments need to be thrown out in the next elections. Both are led by irresponsible right wing parties who don't know how to govern and tend to be belligerent. Right wing parties in any country have the same traits: incompetence and belligerence. Right wing parties in each country hate those who are not like them, adding fuel to the fire. The people of Turkey and Israel need to vote out the right wingers for the sake of preventing war.
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MarcEdward
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09:39 AM on 09/14/2011
What has Erdogan done in his domestic policies that is incompetent? I've not done a lot of research on him, but he's been a very effective leader for Turkey. His current attempts to guide the "Arab Spring" seem thoughtful and useful.
03:51 PM on 09/14/2011
I don't know what he's done on domestic policy, but I can certainly tell you that what he's done with foreign policy is extremely irresponsible and could potentially lead to war.  He has done well by supporting the Arab Spring, but he has had a terrible record with Israel, Greece, and the Kurds.
04:29 PM on 09/13/2011
The article mixed everything together. Current problems have nothing to do neither with Nasser or with Saladdin.
09:29 AM on 09/14/2011
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
12:50 PM on 09/14/2011
He didn't say they did. You should try terracing the article.
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
01:05 PM on 09/14/2011
That should say rereading. Autocorrects a pain.
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sandalwood
songs of the shamans...
03:43 PM on 09/13/2011
What a terrific piece of writing... zingers everywhere, and the ending is unsurpassable. Bravo!
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Freenation
05:11 PM on 09/13/2011
Yep the only humorous aspect is if the same article is written switching bibi with erfogan...Olmert will be shouting look another antisemetic article...the pattern is getting very boring...
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Jon Jony
01:11 AM on 09/14/2011
Y'know there are English courses you can take to try to improve your spelling.
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nkurland
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03:21 PM on 09/13/2011
The pro-Israel crowd continues to miss the point. Even if we resist the urge to pass judgements on the Mavi Marmara raid, the fact remains that Israel has lost two major regional allies in the past year. Turkey has now indefinitely suspended trade and military relations while Mubarak's overthrow means Egypt can no longer be counted on to sell them gas at below market value, or seal the Gazan border. Meanwhile, former Saudi Arabian officials predict a U.S veto on Palestinian statehood will result in the end of the U.S./ Saudi alliance.

Bottom line: by choosing to remain a U.S. client state Israel is only increasing regional isolation and incurring all the costs associated with it. The longer they go down this path, the more painful and economically costly integration into the global community in the post-occupation era is going to be.
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lambdin1
What's this?
07:20 PM on 09/13/2011
My question is who pays? Probably the United States in some fashion. I'm sick of Israel always with its hand out!
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
12:59 PM on 09/14/2011
Are you sick of the handout to the Palestinians as well, because the US gave them nearly $1.04 billion in economic and military aid in 2009, and doesn't even include the money they get from US funding of UNRWA. And that number has only gone up since.
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Jon Jony
08:02 PM on 09/13/2011
You make a statement of fact about the volatile leadership of Egypt and Turkey in their relationship with Israel.

Your conclusions are erroneous however. Israel (like all democracies) will always be better off being friends with other democratic stable governments...
09:31 AM on 09/14/2011
oh israel is such a great democracy . . . it even passed a law in the Knesset against Jewish Israelis who are boycotting products from the occupied territories . . get a grip . . israel is not a democracy . . .
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
01:00 PM on 09/14/2011
"Israel (like all democracie s) will always be better off being friends with other democratic stable government s..."

Let us know when you identify another one of those in the ME.
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Galilee
I boycott products from Syria & Gaza dictatorships
03:19 PM on 09/13/2011
One simple statement Israel should make:
"Thank you Erdogan for convincing Egypt to take full responsibility of Gaza and provide it with aid, now we can close the border to Hamastan".

And then close the border, end all trade with Gaza, stop providing it with electricity, internet, and put a 6 month deadline to switch the water off.
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maghrebi
03:52 PM on 09/13/2011
small reminder it is not your land nor your water.
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Freenation
05:13 PM on 09/13/2011
Now you are being antisemetic...sarcasm
05:57 PM on 09/13/2011
So, since it isn't Israel's land nor water, should Israel be the one providing them with food, electricity, water, fuel and other goods?
04:33 PM on 09/13/2011
Why are you trying to bully Palestinians? I don't think that this attitude is towards reaching a solution for the conflicts.
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Galilee
I boycott products from Syria & Gaza dictatorships
02:03 AM on 09/14/2011
It's not bullying, it's freeing, from dependence on Israel.