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Dr. Peter Klatsky

Dr. Peter Klatsky

Posted: November 22, 2009 08:16 PM

Last week, leading experts correctly challenged long held practices in women's health. Despite the evidence, doctors and patients, as well as political and community leaders hotly debated these recommendations. My heart sank when Kathleen Sebelius, Director of Health and Human Services (HHS) weighed in and suggested that women ignore the recommendations and continue doing what they have been doing. I was astounded.

Ask any good surgeon or physician (preferably one who does not own a diagnostic machine) and we can all tell you nightmare stories about patients who have been hurt (sometimes severely) by overzealous screening and unnecessary interventions. Still, it is hard to stop something that you have been trained to do or advocate.

I still shudder, when I hear colleagues suggesting that women should perform clinical breast exams each month. We have known for over a decade that teaching women to examine themselves once a month does not prevent or improve detection of breast cancer. It does lead to more biopsies, surgeries, and anxiety (with increased cost and no benefit). The evidence against breast self exams is strong and robust. Women who identify lumps should still contact their doctors, but performing planned screening in the shower every month is simply ineffective and harmful.

Yet it's hard to stop something your doctor told you to do 30 years ago. It's also hard to stop telling patients something you learned in medical school 20 years ago. All of these recommendations represented our best advice at the time. Fortunately, we continue to learn and grow, and so must our advice.

The recommendations announced last week by the US Preventive Services Task Force (USPSTF) and the American College of Obstetrics & Gynecology (ACOG) that women reduce the number of mammograms and pap smears they receive were both founded in strong science and empiric evidence. Unfortunately, the USPSTF article reads like Greek to most non-physicians and non-statisticians.

Its critically important to realize that the men and women who develop these guidelines have no "skin in the game." They do not benefit from reducing the number of mammograms or pap smears. They're not heartless bureaucrats trying to save a few dollars. Both the USPSTF and ACOG are composed of physicians and scientists whose only motivation is to improve the health and wellness of women nationwide. Being invited onto the USPSTF or ACOG Practice Committee is a huge honor. These are our best and brightest. They strive to determine what is best for our patients, our community, and our loved ones.

Back to the reaction of Secretary Sebelius: When the captain of the ship ignores the engineer's suggestion regarding engine maintenance, it's a problem. The USPSTF is sponsored and funded by the HHS. By ignoring their recommendations on mammography, the Secretary demonstrated why the federal government has been unable to rein in health care costs: Even when testing is found to be more harmful than beneficial, our leaders and some in the media still demand more tests.

The current health reform bills have done little to change the incentives and drivers of increased health care costs. When good evidence suggests that increased testing provides no benefit, we should stop such testing. Meanwhile, as health care costs continue to grow, it crowds out money for other important areas, like education. Can we really demand medical tests that our experts suggest are unhelpful, while we increase class size in schools and cut funding to schools and our teachers?

These problems are connected. Sometimes good intentions can do more harm than good. The trust between a doctor and patient is sacred and doctors still need the ability to make individualized decisions given a patient's unique medical history. However, when it comes to standard protocols and recommendations, we must act based on the best evidence, weighing not only the benefit, but also the cost and potential for harm from a given test or treatment.

The next time a friend goes under anesthesia for a stressful, painful but benign breast biopsy, or the next time a young woman has a preterm delivery after part of her cervix was removed for an abnormal pap smear she had at age 20 (most of which resolve with time), I hope we remember that sometimes in medicine, less is truly more.

 

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iMissMollyIvins
Middle-aged, Middle class, Midwestern Populist
07:22 PM on 11/23/2009
Considering the fact that 5 of the 6 women that I know that have had breast cancer found the lump through either self-exam or routine mammograms, I'll stick with the old recommendations. BTW, the 6th woman, who had no health care insurance, wasn't diagnosed in time to save her life.
04:36 PM on 11/23/2009
Again, PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN FOUND WITH SCREENINGS FOR ALL TYPES OF CANCER.
INCLUDING PROSTATE AND LUNG, ETC.

WHERE ARE THE REVISED GUIDLINES FOR THOSE SCREENINGS?

And, Nothing is more OVERZEALOUS than the infatuation with Erectile dysfunction medications.
Where are the revised guidelines on THAT?
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Kathryn Maver
04:22 PM on 11/23/2009
Reaction to these recommendations reflect the lack of trust the rank and file have in the healthcare system. I checked the bio's of the members of this task force on the USPSTF website, figuring there were many links to the insurance industry. There were several physicians on the task force, and only three had clear links to some sort of health insurance organization, though two seemed to be nonprofit health insurance outfits. So, their motivations might just be purely scientific.

But they must appreciate how baffling their recommendations seem to the rank and file American, and how stupid the timing of these recommendations are, right in the middle of the health insurance reform debate. Many of us also know people who did get a lump caught "early" through screening, so these new recommendations seem a bit odd. If you are one of the small number of people who DOES benefit from routine breast cancer exams and mammograms from 40 onward, I guess the good doctors are telling us that, statistically speaking, your life isn't worth saving,and your kids can make do without a mother?
06:30 PM on 11/23/2009
I'm reminded of the "debate" regarding air bags. CNN when they were still doing "Talkback Live!" had an episode about it and brought forward people who had been injured by airbags who were adamant that they be allowed to remove or disable them. They put forward the statistics that 200 people were injured by airbags every year...

...and were very careful not to mention that more than 2000 people were saved by airbags.

So, which is more important: The 200 people who will die from airbags or the 2000 people who will be saved?

No generalized medical program will ever be perfect for everybody in every situation. As every doctor involved in this has said: Talk to your doctor and if the two of you find something unusual, then by all means have it investigated. But, there is a difference between watching your own health and simply doing something "routine" because the guidelines say so.

If the "routine" process winds up with more people being harmed than helped, is it really controversial to recommend stopping that "routine" process?

Suppose the "routine" process was to surgically remove the breast, send it through a detection machine, and then surgically reattach it. Is that really something we should recommend for everyone every year? Mammograms are not trivial. Biopsies are not without risk. We should continually re-examine our processes to make sure they are really helping.
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iMissMollyIvins
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07:32 PM on 11/23/2009
None of the members of the USPSTF specialize in oncology or women's health.
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Laserbeam
Nothing is permanent except change...
04:00 PM on 11/23/2009
Sorry - meant to say Sebelius is stnading up for us women who need earlier mammograms.
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Laserbeam
Nothing is permanent except change...
03:56 PM on 11/23/2009
I appreciate that you're a doctor, but it's still a little insulting to have a man preach to me about pap tests and mammograms.

Sebelius was right to do what she did. The government needs to alow women to get annual mammograms before the age of fifty if their family history dictates it. If she had gone along with the new recommendations - prompted, incidentally, by old research - the government would remove the mammogram-before-50 coverage out of the public option (hoping it passes) and Medicare. She is protesting those of us with histories of breast cancer in our families.

Both my mother and grandmother are breast cancer survivors. I'm 46 and got tested earlier this year for the first time. I will be getting tested next year, too.

And the bit about encouraging women NOT to do self-examinations is crazy. We know our bodies and should trust our instincts if we think something is wrong, no matter what age we are.
07:56 PM on 11/25/2009
I have a friend who found a lump in her breast at age 34 during one of her monthly self breast exams, which turned out to be cancer.

Better to be safe than sorry.
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03:34 PM on 11/23/2009
Yeah, right that's just fine after women have been told for decades to do breast self exams and to have mammograms once a year. Now millions of women are being told they have needlessly exposed themselves to radiation year after year and that examining their breasts is worthless. Women are angry, really angry because screening is essential for detection of early stage cancer. No one is even discussing any developments for new technology for yearly breast cancer screening. What is wrong with developing better technology for yearly breast cancer screening? Instead, all women hear is do nothing or talk to your doctor but don't have mammograms until age 50 and for goodness sake, don't do breast self examinations. Seems to me it's all about insurance companies not having to cover mammograms for an entire segment of the female population. Better to risk lives than pay for testing. Better to save money than to develop a yearly breast cancer screening alternative to mammography that will be of benefit to all women and will be covered by insurance. Once again women are being marginalized to accommodate political expediency.
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Laserbeam
Nothing is permanent except change...
04:01 PM on 11/23/2009
Excellent post. I agree completely!
06:34 PM on 11/23/2009
Of course, none of that is what the report says. Do not confuse what reporters tell you the results say with what the actual results say. Scientists have long been frustrated by popular-media reports on their very complex work, reducing extremely technical and subtle findings to soundbites that have no connection to the reality of the situation.

Nowhere in the report does it say not to have a mammogram. Instead, it says that routine mammography before the age of 50 isn't helpful. By your logic, why should we stop at 40? Why not 30? 20? Shouldn't all women get mammograms starting at menarche? If you understand that there's a reason why we don't do them for 22-year-olds as a matter of course, then you can understand why it might not be the best thing for a 44-year-old, either.

Talk to your doctor. Are there other factors involved? History of breast cancer in the family? Other symptoms that are indicative?

You seem to think that mammography and the resulting post-test treatment are trivial and benign.
03:23 PM on 11/23/2009
Screening is always a double edged sword. Gynaecology has NO idea bout the natural history of most screening abnormalities of the cervix apart from the single "illegal" study of CIN3 from Auckland that now has follow-up for over 30 years

What are the overall consequences for doing a "laser excision of the transformation zone" at age 20 ?

Will she be spared further abnormalities if she does not change her lifestyle - medicine does not know
Will she be able to carry a pregancy term - if not then why not - medicine does not know
Will she run into problems with pelvic pain at 5-10 years - medicine does not know.

As for the consequences of HPV vaccination - it is alleged to "prevent" CIN 2 in a proportion of cases - We have no population-based trials about the incidence of cancer - they would take 25 years. But the propaganda from BIG PHARMA is "vaccination prevents cancer" - scientific tat !

We do not have answers to these questions.
03:01 PM on 11/23/2009
So, doctor, what do you suggest women in their forties do to find their breast cancers? We have no been told that we shouldn't use breast self-exams or mammorgraphy, so what do we do?

I say that as a woman who has had a scare in her forties, with an ultra sound and a biopsy. I say that also as a woman who lost a friend in her forties to breast cancer 5 years ago, another friend in her forties to breast cancer 7 years ago, and has a friend in her forties who is undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer as we speak.

What are we supposed to do to find the breast cancers that will kill 600 additional American women each and every year? Their lives matter.

Asking for answers,
Heather
06:41 PM on 11/23/2009
And how many women had to die from needless exploratory surgeries for those 600?

I'm reminded of the "debate" regarding air bags. CNN when they were still doing "Talkback Live!" had an episode about it and brought forward people who had been injured by airbags who were adamant that they be allowed to remove or disable them. They put forward the statistics that 200 people were injured by airbags every year...

...and were very careful not to mention that more than 2000 people were saved by airbags.

So, which is more important: The 200 people who will die from airbags or the 2000 people who will be saved?

No generalized medical program will ever be perfect for everybody in every situation. As every doctor involved in this has said: Talk to your doctor and if the two of you find something unusual, then by all means have it investigated. But, there is a difference between watching your own health and simply doing something "routine" because the guidelines say so.

If the "routine" process winds up with more people being harmed than helped, is it really controversial to recommend stopping that "routine" process?

Suppose the "routine" process was to surgically remove the breast, send it through a detection machine, and then surgically reattach it. Is that really something we should recommend for everyone every year? Mammograms are not trivial. Biopsies are not without risk. We should continually re-examine our processes to make sure they are really helping.
jaslyn
don't go away mad, just go away
02:50 PM on 11/23/2009
Women should always seek out as much info as possible and make their own decisions. I'm against mammograms because they are ionized radiation which has been proven to be a cancer causer. To radiate yourself every year doesn't make sense. When evidence comes out that something is unnecessary, that's a piece of info. to be taken into account. The medical community is so afraid of being sued, they no longer depend on their own diagnostic skills, but test for everything under the sun, which does cost more than necessary. A biopsy has been proven to be able to ignite latent cancer cells when the needle is being pulled out. Why have repeat biopsies? Even when something is harmful, FDA may not come out against it, like Premarin and Prempro, proven to be cancer causing in the Women's Study, yet still widely prescribe. Buyer beware.
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DanaKate
01:21 PM on 11/23/2009
These new recommendations for no self-exam and mammograms only at 50 are very irresponsible. We all know that early detection is key to survival in the case of cancer, and I will tell you that I would much rather go through stressful biopsies and find out that things are benign than not check at all until it's too late and I'm already terminal. That's what happened to my MIL, and we just lost her this year--on Mother's Day, no less. I have two friends that developed it, they found it themselves with a self exam that they did monthly. They're both in remission right now, because it was caught in time. Now some agency comes along and tells me I shouldn't bother because it would stress me out too much if I find some benign cyst? I think I'd be much more stressed to find out I only have a few years left to live, if that!
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Kathleen Reardon
12:36 PM on 11/23/2009
"Back to the reaction of Secretary Sebelius: When the captain of the ship ignores the engineer's suggestion regarding engine maintenance, it's a problem."

I'll take a captain who pauses to reflect on matters of life and death. Research is not conducted in a vacuum and that done by the USPSTSF is no exception. Looking at this issue is necessary and could result in better ways to detect breast cancer. But just as our president is taking his time deciding whether to put the lives of young men and women in danger, Secretary Sebelius should take the time needed to protect the health of women. "What's the rush?" women ask. "Why two major cutbacks for women in one week?"

Even if the research is without flaws, which is never the case, communicating the results in a manner that serves patients' needs is as important as doing the research in the first place. If you understand research and statistics, the study is not "Greek" at all, and there is much room for discussion and time for further research before putting the lives of women at risk. It isn't that women can't change. They aren't that stupid. It's that they expect to hear good reasons before they're asked to jump.

Dr. Reardon also blogs at www.bardscove.com
01:12 PM on 11/23/2009
Is it your implication that protecting the health of women was not the goal of the task force? People keep saying "one death that could have been prevented is too many". This logic begs two questions: First: how many unecessary invasive procedures and unwarranted stressful situations is "too many"? Second: why aren't you advocating mammograms and biopsies for all people of all ages including men? If one death is too many, you would have to show that no man has ever died from breast cancer, no person under 30 or even younger, or call yourself a hypocrite. Or, star advocating Mammograms for babies to boomers, boys and girls of all ages!

The task force wasn't being callous, they were making recommendations based on research and logic. Mammograms don't prevent deaths. They just postpone them. If you want a life of unnecessary medical procedures and fear, that's up to you. Please don't wish it on others with your fearmongering.
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Laserbeam
Nothing is permanent except change...
04:07 PM on 11/23/2009
How would you feel if YOU were the "one"?
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Kathleen Reardon
05:16 PM on 11/23/2009
I think you missed my point. It was clearly stated, no attempt at fear appeals, no mention of the task force goals or reference to wishing anything on anyone. So perhaps you meant to reply to someone else.
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03:10 PM on 11/23/2009
Thank you for your comments.
12:36 PM on 11/23/2009
In our litigious society, it seems that women are recommended to have surgeries and biopsies whenever a mammogram is "abnormal," so that doctors can cover their butt. I've had 3 surgeries and 2 needle biopsies in the span of 20 years, all benign, and I am 48 years old. I now go to a breast center, where I speak with the radiologist who reads the mammograms and ultrasounds. This year, he told me that I have numerous cysts, and that he doesn't expect them to change. My OB/GYN, upon receiving the report of cysts (which I have ALWAYS had), called me to tell me to get yet another biopsy. For the first time I pushed back and said that I wasn't going to get the biopsy, on the recommedation of the radiologist who looks at breast films all day, every day. Cutting and needle biopsies are invasive, and have caused me to have scar tissue. I don't know if these procedures have caused any other damage to the cells in my breasts. I know that the stress and anxiety I've had cannot have been good for me.

The problem is that we have been brainwashed to believe that more is always better when it comes to medical tests and procedures. We should be open-minded when hearing the recommendations of this committee, and apply them rationally to our own personal situation.
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PunKinPai
Tact is just not saying true stuff. I’ll pass.
01:56 PM on 11/23/2009
I'm sorry for the pain and worry you've been put through. But what would your position be if one of those biopsies had beeen positive? You'd be darned grateful. For every woman who's been through a scare or unnecessary biopsy there's at least one other whose life has been saved or extended by early detection. It would be sad indeed to put one person's anxiety and relatively minor pain over saving someone else's life.
jaslyn
don't go away mad, just go away
02:54 PM on 11/23/2009
Overtesting is a huge problem in this country and these tests can also create many problems, not just cosmetic scarring. Just because the AMA says so, doesn't make it right.
03:17 PM on 11/23/2009
My point is that there needs to be better diagnostic tools. With all of the technological advances in medicine, I fail to believe that you must cut and biopsy in order to determine if a lump is a cyst, fibrous adenoma, or cancerous tumor. The radiologist that I'm working with now certainly agrees that cysts that look the same over time do not need to be biopsied.

I disagree with your statement that "for every woman who's been through a scare or unnecessary biopsy there's at least one other whose life has been saved or extended by early detection." That is the point of this article and the committee's statement, that all of this screening and cutting does do more harm than good.
11:51 AM on 11/23/2009
Dr. Klatsky contradicts himself in his article:

He says that
"performing planned screening in the shower every month (i.e. self-exam) is simply ineffective and harmful."

If this is the case then why does he suggest that "Women who identify lumps should still contact their doctors.." This suggests that self-exam can lead be extremely important; otherwise, why would he suggest that women contact their physician to report their findings?
11:41 AM on 11/23/2009
I saw one post below by a mammographer asking how many women in the younger age groups had or were recently taking HRT or birth control pills (BCP). I think this is a great question and one I would like answered because the medical community thinks BCPs are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I have cervical dysplasia and am very, very concerned that not one of the doctors I have seen thinks it might be correlated that I have been taking BCPs for nearly 20 years. I even asked one, should I get off the Pill b/c I have read that it is linked to higher rates of cervical cancer. They said, no, why would you think that? And I said, b/c it is a widely reported RISK of taking the BCP?!?! I also just read in a mag. the other day a doctor quoted as saying that BCPs, while increasing the risk of both breast and cervical cancer, also lowers uterine and ovarian cancer and has so many extra benefits that it outweighs the risks. Except of course if you turn out to be one of those people that get breast or cervical cancer...Now my doctor wants to take out more of my cervix, because that is the protocal with cervical dysplasia, but doesn't think stopping the Pill is worth a try. Doctors have not researched all the causes of breast cancers and whether their other recommendations, such as BCPs, are not correlated.
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PunKinPai
Tact is just not saying true stuff. I’ll pass.
01:57 PM on 11/23/2009
Is the risk associated with the pill higher than the risk of pregnancy and delivery?
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Laserbeam
Nothing is permanent except change...
04:08 PM on 11/23/2009
Are you trying to make a point?
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NurseTina
11:39 AM on 11/23/2009
I have known at least two women that are alive today because thir brest cancers were found before they were 40. I know one woman who died because her husband's insurance only covered mammograms every two years. To write these women off as mere numbers is an outrage. The medical industry is about saving lives, and should not be about cutting corners.
06:52 PM on 11/23/2009
So why don't we perform mammographies on all women as soon as they reach menarche?