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Dr. Philip Neches

Dr. Philip Neches

Posted: August 9, 2010 02:19 PM

Three Out of Ten?

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It is often said that the biblical Ten Commandments form the basis of our legal system. So I thought I would do a quick review to see how that founding basis fares in contemporary American legal practice.

  • Thou shalt have no other gods before me - is the fundamental tenet of monotheism, the founding strain in Judiasm that extends into Christianity and Islam. The notion of separation of church and state entered Western thought in the 1500s with Spinoza. Through the crucible of centuries of religious wars in Europe, it became one of the founding tenets of the United States. Here it is perfectly legal to be Hindu, or to subscribe to the polytheistic views of native Americans.
  • No idols. One of the most popular shows on television is American Idol, which not only worships singing idols, but tries to make new ones. I rest this case.
  • Thou shalt not use the Lord's name in vain -- is commonly accepted as a ban on profanity, although a narrower interpretation would hold it only to ban perjury under oath. The latter definition is still very much a part of our legal system, but the broader interpretation fell away steadily during the 20th Century, until there is little left of it.
  • Keep the Sabbath -- The last vestige of this in our legal system can be found in a handfull of states that limit liquor sales on Sunday morning. My favorite retailer's hours are "daily 9 to 9." It does not matter to the law whether one spends Sabbath attending services or out shopping.
  • Honor thy Father and thy Mother -- at least don't mess with their Social Security and Medicare.
  • Thou shalt not murder -- is still on the books.
  • Thou shalt not commit adultery -- is now grounds for unflattering publicity, but not criminal indictment, or even divorce in the majority of states with "no-fault" laws.
  • Thou shalt not steal -- is still on the books. Behavior on Wall Street makes one wonder if enforcement is selective and lax.
  • Thou shalt not bear false witness -- is still on the books and stronger than ever. When prosecutors can't make the case for the real crime, they often press for a conviction on charges of lying to officials, which they can prove more easily.
  • Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's goods -- Take a walk down Madison Avenue to see an entire industry based on the opposite premise.


So how do the Ten Commandments hold up? I count only three that are still fully enshrined in our legal system in a way that Moses would recognize.

From Spinoza to the British Empiricists to the Founding Fathers, we inherit a notion that society can, and should, make laws to create conditions in which society can stay in existence and flourish. If an idea is thought good, but not necessary for society's continued existence, than it should be a matter of private advocacy, but not a matter of law.

Proper laws can be much more detailed and situational than the Ten Commandments. The notion that everyone should drive their vehicle on the same side of the road was probably not important in Biblical times, but the mayhem and chaos that would result in a world of planes, trains, and automobiles without such restrictions almost defies imagination.

Also, that something is not a matter of law does not mean it is still not a cherished value of society. Individuals and groups may still chose to adhere to a principle without the lash of the law. The Commandment for monotheism is not the law in the United States, but a higher percentage of Americans regularly attend church, synagogue, or mosque than almost anywhere else in the world.

Which brings me to two debates that bring the libertarian tradition of our legal system into focus: abortion and gay marriage. For both issues, one side wants to make their position a matter of law, enforcing it on the entire population. The other side wants to leave it as a matter of individual choice, which is different from wanting to impose a different set of ideas on the entire population.

The asymmetry of the intent of the sides is too often overlooked. Advocates of gay marriage do not want to change traditional marriage in any way. They do not want gay people who do not believe in gay marriage, for whatever reason including religious beliefs, to have to marry. They want the choice available to people; the other side wants to eliminate the choice by force of law.

One can believe that a thing is wrong and still not want to legally proscribe it. Barry Goldwater was no advocate of abortion, but he believed it was not a proper subject for state control. He held to the clarity of this distinction despite howls of disappointment and disapprobation from fellow Conservatives.

The history of centuries of evolution of our legal system shows that short run noise and emotion eventually give way to the view of Spinoza, Locke, and Jefferson: society can only really enforce those laws truly necessary to the survival of society. Can society survive abortion and gay marriage? Most likely we will persist and persevere, no worse than we are doing without seven of the Ten Commandments.

 
 
 
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Herkv
Caught in a loop . . .
05:42 PM on 08/11/2010
How ironic! I just wrote a blog post about the Commandments, to find this.

The murder commandment is pretty much a non-starter. There is no one exempt from being killed in Mosaic history. Reading the KJV, you might notice references to laws predating the Commandments as well as references to commandments that had not yet been given. Then proceed to Deuteronomy and find the other 600 or so laws, just as binding as the ten. These were a people plagued by laws on just about everything. YHWH was apparently a very controlling deity. So, those of you wearing mixed fabrics, how about you straighten up your act? And let's get the vain use of God off the money and the pledge and license plate holders while we're at it.

Not one jot, not one tittle, people, so if you insist on believing, you need to stop making excuses for yourself. Otherwise, you don't really believe at all.

And all you Christians, just ignore that Old Hebrew Testament. It was not for you. It was for the Israelites. Their god, not yours. Steal their thunder all you want to, but if you don't hail from the tribe of Abraham, Jacob, et. al. you may as well toss the first half of your book since it has no bearing on your life.
12:58 PM on 08/11/2010
Let me paraphrase Jesus who left you with two commandments: LOVE YOUR GOD and DO NOT HURT YOUR FELLOW MAN. These two encapsulate the other X commandments.

Note also that each prophet in the OT and NT left us with specific commandments.
12:56 PM on 08/11/2010
The Ten Commandments are based on the Pharaoh's Negative Covenants of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. When Moses and Jethro were trying to manage the wild and woolly follower of Moses, they devised the "commandments" to help keep the people under control.

The laws of Hammurabi preceded the X Commandments.

The leaders were always looking for a means to control the followers.
01:11 PM on 08/10/2010
POINT OF CLARIFICATION: The Sabbath (Muslim=Friday, Jewish = Saturday, and Christian=Sunday).
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The Ten Commandments are 'negotiable' to most 'practitioners'...because secular law says so...and most practitioners have accepted modified interpretations, re-interpretations, and interpretations of re-interpretations.
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When a religion claims possession...then God is theirs to own and possess and interpret, or misinterpret.
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Thus, the existance of 'Parables'...to clarify to the Pharasee-Christians that they do not have the liberty to misinterpret lest they be hypocrites;
- "...Fresh Water/Salt Water"
- "...Who is truly your brother's Keeper"
- "...with a log in yours"
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Too often, 'believers' vs. Believers', is clouded...by our own interest, bias, racism, sexism, greed, phobias.
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So, who truly...'is your brother's keeper'
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10:16 AM on 08/10/2010
The first table of the law is about our relationship with God. "Love the Lord with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind."

The second table of the law is about our relationship with one another. "Love your neighbor as you love yourself."

Children being part of the the human family are included.

You shall not murder. . . "we should not endanger our neighbor's life, nor cause him [her] any harm, but help and befriend him [her] in every necessity of life."

You shall not steal. . . "we should not rob our neighbor of his [her] money or property, nor bring them into our possession by dishonest trade or by dealing in shoddy wares, but help him [her] to improve and protect his income and property.

You shall not bear fase witness against your neighbor. . . "we should not tell lies about our neighbor, nor betray, slander, or defame him [her], but should apologize [defend] for him [her], speak well of him [her], and interpret charitably all that he [she] does."
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08:30 PM on 08/09/2010
command sombody not to do something and you can bet they will find a way to do it.

people always seem to find a way around laws and commandments.

this is why when I was young I dated catholic girls. :-)

religion with its commandments is an interesting human phenomenon.

we humans are an interesting species.

the atheists and buddhists think something can come from nothing. well kind of with the buddhists.

the religious think their religion is thee religion.

what is the origin of all that ignorance??????

discover that origin and you will view the world in a whole new light.

realize that origin and you will I suspect become a buddha.

the greatest of theft is a capitalist system that even makes huge profits off the sick and needy and those in prisons and of course its wars for corp profits.

instead in america now we blame the poorest of the poor for our economic that come here to work for cheap wages brought on by a system based on greed and materialism.

what commandment is that against??????????????

next will be education. there is where some huge profits lie asleep there for the taking.

these capitalists will take only those that will make you huge profits.

the rest with pre existing educational hardship conditions leave to the state.

pure genius.

here is the best part americans consider themselves a loving and compassionate people.

go figure.
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08:35 PM on 08/09/2010
"the atheists and buddhists think something can come from nothing."

Well, actually, so do the theists -- only they inject a magical Great Ooga-Booga into the equation.

Don't they?
12:40 PM on 08/11/2010
Some of them believe in three ooga-boogas who are actually one (three great tastes that taste great together?)
12:59 PM on 08/11/2010
It's the Ooga-Booga elements that makes us non-believers want to totally avoid the theists.
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12:50 PM on 08/11/2010
"buddhists think something can come from nothing. well kind of with the buddhists."

Utter uneducated bunk. No Buddhist would ever suggest such a thing, and for YOU to suggest it shows your level of ignorance.
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08:28 PM on 08/09/2010
The Three Commandments, as outlined above, should be a mantra of response for all those idiots who say our nation was founded on the 10 Commandments.

Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not steal.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.

As American as apple pie. Get it? Got it? GOOD!
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Dr. Philip Neches
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10:36 PM on 08/09/2010
It's impossible to imagine civil society without those three rules.
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Jdaddy1951
11:16 PM on 08/09/2010
It's like what everyone should wish if they got a chance for the Three Wishes from the Genie. If we'd just adhere to those three things, just about everyone else would fall into place. I suppose Thou Shalt Not Covet would be a good bonus wish ...
12:00 AM on 08/10/2010
And just as impossible to imagine that the 10 Commandments is the original source of those three rules.
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08:07 PM on 08/09/2010
Funny that Yhwh's first four commandments were all about himself.

I kept looking for the commandment that said, "Don't mistreat the kiddies." Never found it, of course.
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Dr. Philip Neches
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10:34 PM on 08/09/2010
Religions have, from antiquity, adopted rules and principles aimed at perpetuating the influence of that religion. Spinoza set Western Civilization on a track where civil society could claim the same right of self-perpetuation, independent of religion. The Old Testament comes from a time in which religion, statehood, ethnicity, culture, language, history, and tradition were unified. Not just for the monotheistic early Jews, but for all the civilizations around them. It is our modern view to see these as different, inter-related aspects of human society.
03:47 AM on 08/10/2010
Darn Me: Exactly! That God feller is one vain deity. Interesting how a perfect being needs all that worship and deference. Low self esteem? Not totally perfect?

"Don't mistreat the kiddies." They couldn't add that one as it was permissable to stone to death disobedient children.

They also couldn't add,

"Thou shalt not have slaves."

"Thou shalt not commit genocide."

"Thou shalt not be a racist."

"Thou shalt not rape the women of defeated tribes."

"Thou shalt not hesitate to give up your daughter as a substitute when a gang of men want to rape your male house guests."

For my final piece of cynicism, a modern addition which will never be considered might be:

"Thou shalt not doubt my love, benevolence and mercy when faced with off-the-scale human tragedy caused by natural disaster which, being omnipotent, I could have stopped."
12:18 PM on 08/11/2010
Fantastic!
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05:45 PM on 08/09/2010
I Moses' interpretation is the standard murder comes off the list as well. Directly after delivering the commandments to the Israelites he orders the Levites to indiscriminately kill their friends and family for the golden calf offence. Over 3000 innocents were killed. By any measure these were murders.
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Dr. Philip Neches
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07:28 PM on 08/09/2010
Another interpretation of that incident is that Moses showed that the Ten Commandments were to be taken seriously. Death was the penalty for violating not only the Commandments, but a host of other rules (see Leviticus for a partial list). This was not only true for Old Testament Hebrews, but for most societies of ancient times. Our sensibilities, and legal codes, have evolved. Most of us are OK with that.
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08:46 PM on 08/09/2010
Thats basically the point I attempted to make. We have a different definition of murder.

I do not think the lesson from Exodus is to not take God's commandments seriously. Much of the Tanakh is Yahweh punishing His people for disobeying him or prophets warning of punishment.

Moses in this example ordered the massacre in response for violating the 1st commandment. Not sure how one can derive a lackadaisical approach approach toward the commandments from this example.
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Caught in a loop . . .
05:56 PM on 08/11/2010
Dr. Philip:

//Death was the penalty for violating not only the Commandments, but a host of other rules (see Leviticus for a partial list). //

Whether you say "kill" or whether you say "murder" the question remains: who, exactly, is protected by this meaningless commandment? Children, wives, other tribes, your own tribe, all can be killed for any rule infraction. Pick up sticks on the sabbath? Die!

If the commandment were taken to heart, we would rid ourselves of the death penalty, wars, and, well, murder. Posting the commandments in city parks doesn't seem to have done much to alleviate any of it.
05:04 PM on 08/09/2010
While I don't generally like sumptuary laws, if I have to pay for the medical care of other people, I should be entitled to impose limits on the things they do. At least those things for the consequences of which I may have to pay.
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Dr. Philip Neches
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07:36 PM on 08/09/2010
Art, you drove me to the dictionary! For those who didn't go to law school, sumptuary laws are "Laws made for the purpose of restraining luxury or extravagance, particularly against inordinate expenditures in the matter of apparel, food, furniture, etc." (Black's Law Dictionary).
Jesterband
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09:48 PM on 08/09/2010
Beause you're a taxpayer you can subject your will on those that avail themselves of government services?

How much of your taxes actually go to pay for others medical care? My guess it is less than $1.00 a year. So your saying for $1 a year I am allowed to arbitrarily impose my sense of morality on others?
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09:03 AM on 08/11/2010
" So your saying for $1 a year I am allowed to arbitrarily impose my sense of morality on others?"

I don't think that he is saying that at all.

He is saying that HE is allowed to arbitrarily impose his sense of morality on others.
02:46 PM on 08/09/2010
This is an amusing column. I am not sure that Spinoza deserves that much credit for giving us the idea of the separation of church and state. I do know that he didn't write anything of significance until the middle of the 1600's.
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Dr. Philip Neches
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07:54 PM on 08/09/2010
My bad about the date. Spinoza lived from 1632 to 1677 in Amsterdam. His family came to Amsterdam from Portugal some time around 1536 to escape forced conversion and the Inquisition. His work is the basis of the Enlightenment in both science and politics. His influence on Western thought was so profound that Hegel said of Spinoza, "Either you are a Spinozan, or no philosopher at all."

The notion of separation of Church and State was developed into the form we recognize by the British Empiricists, and put into the language that directly influenced the American Founders by John Locke a century after Spinoza. But Spinoza clearly anticipated the idea that power flows from the people, not from God, and that notion logically leads to separation of Church and State.

For ideas like these, the Jewish community of Amsterdam excommunicated Spinoza at age 23. He lived a quiet life in Amsterdam until his early death at 44 of a lung disease that might have been brought on by his profession as a lens grinder. He turned down numerous honors. But he cannot escape the honor of being the intellectual father of modernism.
10:01 AM on 08/10/2010
I was actually in graduate school with one of the preeminent Spinoza scholars in the world, although that was not my area of specialization so I probably did not get as much from him on the topic as I could. One of the things I did learn from him that surprised me as that the excommunication that Spinoza got was somewhat routine at the time. That was how the community kept people in line. The unusual part was that he didn't care and did not make an attempt to have the excommunication lifted.

That said, it seems to be a mistake to give Spinoza too much credit in these things. The roots of political power in Spinoza is taken from Hobbes. What is interesting in Spinoza is that while Hobbes mistakenly thinks that a monarchy ideally follows from this (although one that rejects divine rights of kings) Spinoza correctly saw that a system of checks and balances was what followed (and actually reads checks and balances in the government of the Israelites). I think if you check your dates you will find that Locke is only a generation younger than Spinoza rather than a century later.

It is even odder to credit Spinoza with modern enlightenment science which has its roots in Gallileo and Descartes. I would credit Spinoza most with his recognition of the importance of balancing powers, and his understanding that governments evolve while revolutions are likely to come undone.