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Male-Female Communication: Debunking the Mars-Venus Myth

Posted: 02/13/11 11:03 AM ET

Go to a popular news site like The Huffington Post and plug the term "mars venus" into the search field. At least a dozen blogs come up, making reference to men and women speaking "different languages." The dogma of John Gray's "Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus" is everywhere, and it appears positioned to get even bigger with Summit Entertainment reportedly acquiring the film and TV rights to Gray's franchise.

Why should we care? According to scientific research and Deborah Cameron's "The Myth of Mars and Venus," Gray has "he" versus "she" communication all wrong.

Turn to any Mars/Venus-based resource, and you'll hear that men and women are fundamentally different in the way they use language to communicate. The supposed differences between the sexes, they say, are due to nature, not nurture; humans are hard-wired so that females excel in verbal tasks -- explaining why she wants to talk his ears off about feelings, needs and "where we're at," and why he is so turned off by such attempts.

Yet, as Cameron's book points out, the data on gender communication differences indicates otherwise:

Myth: Females talk more than males.
Fact: A review of 56 research studies by Deborah James and Janice Drakich found 34 that reported that men talk more than women, with females talking more than males in only two studies. A more recent University of Arizona study in the journal Science reported that both genders speak almost the exact same number of words daily (16,000).

Myth: Females are more verbally skilled than males.
Fact: While a 2005 meta-analysis of studies on gender differences in verbal/communicative behavior by Janet Shibley Hyde found a moderate effect size favoring women, it also revealed that there was a close to zero effect for reading comprehension, vocabulary and verbal reasoning.

Myth: Females seek to connect with others, while males use language with the intention of accomplishing things.
Fact: Studies by researchers Kathy O'Leary and Pamela Fishman indicate that the genders may differ in patterns because they're engaged in different activities or are playing different conversational roles. These differences don't necessarily appear when males and females are doing the same things or playing same roles.

Myth: Females use language cooperatively, because they prefer harmony and equality.
Fact: Hyde's meta-analysis indicated that there was a moderate effect size for women when it came to smiling during conversations. There was also a small effect size for them when it came to speech production, talkativeness, affiliative speech and self-disclosure. Still, who's to say that this isn't due to nurture and not nature, especially when there's no data to support the former?

Myth: Males are more direct and not as polite in communicating.
Fact: Hyde's meta-analysis showed that there was only a small effect size favoring males when it came to conversational interruption and assertive speech. There's actually more variation in communication within each gender than there is when you compare any differences between men and women.

As the research shows, the language skills of men and women are nearly identical. Yet the myths they debunk are still used to support the premise that the genders are regularly misunderstanding each other due to mere genetics. With the media fully on-board the Mars/Venus bandwagon, "failure to communicate" across genders has been used to explain everything from why men don't take out the garbage upon request to why a rapist didn't understand his victim's attempts to resist. Ultimately, both genders suffer.

Men are sized up as inarticulate, aggressive Neanderthals, incapable of feeling emotions and being sensitive. Women are criticized for being overly cooperative and caring doormats. Such discrimination shapes beliefs and influences actions, both personally and professionally.

When it comes to mating, he is supposed to be allowed to "go into his cave" when times get tough or when there's something that needs to be done or discussed. Maintaining the relationship becomes her responsibility, requiring that she accommodate his communication style.

When it comes to the job market, females are supposedly better at jobs involving communication and empathy, while men are supposed to be better suited for analyzing complex systems. She is favored when it comes to jobs involving teaching, nursing and counseling. He is considered better suited to occupy positions of power and authority, as in engineering, banking and politics.

Anybody who is truly enlightened and who knows anything about males, females and relationships knows that that is all wrong. Still, the Mars/Venus phenomenon continues to make millions. When will we let science command the "he versus she" communication conversation?

 

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Go to a popular news site like The Huffington Post and plug the term "mars venus" into the search field. At least a dozen blogs come up, making reference to men and women speaking "different language...
Go to a popular news site like The Huffington Post and plug the term "mars venus" into the search field. At least a dozen blogs come up, making reference to men and women speaking "different language...
 
 
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03:58 PM on 02/17/2011
Refreshing and oh so right! We will get off the traditional stereotypes when we can expand the boundaries of male and female identity. It is more that "people" are different than about gender. As long as our socialization in the traditional roles remains very strong, Mars-venus it is.....
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01:22 PM on 02/17/2011
Some men and women are "highly polar." That means they are very strongly male or very strongly female. Polar people used to be the majority up to about 1930 and the Mars/Venus thing was a fairly good description of them. But then we entered the Endocrine Age with a thousand unnatural xeno-estrogens polluting the environment which makes lots of masculine women and feminine men.

The polar people are becoming somewhat of a rarity nowadays and the Mars/Venus thing is explaining less and less of the general population. Just what causes PCOS anyways? Any studies published recently? or talks given at the International Endocrine Conference? in San Diego? last year?
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01:17 PM on 02/15/2011
Well, men are being feminized, both at a social and chemical/biological level (testosterone on average is lower than ever): make sense we're starting to see these differences dissolve.
04:02 AM on 02/15/2011
According to John Gray a man needs his "man cave". A woman should "never" go into a man's cave or she will get "burned by the dragon".
Instead .. when a man retreats to his man cave she should "go shopping", "call a girlfriend for a good chat", "see a therapist", "listen to self improvement tapes", "treat herself to something delicious"
How can you debunk that. It is like a universal law.
Surprising Gray does not say more about the law of the "female kitchen"
After all a woman controls the health and happiness of the whole family through the kitchen.
Surely it is as important as a man's cave. Men need to know when to stay out of the "female kitchen" ... and when they have visiting privileges.
Or else they will get the beak of the big mama hen!

Men and women need to know more about these kind of aspects in their natures in order to function more harmoniously. Right?
07:58 PM on 02/14/2011
"When will we let science command the "he versus she" communication conversation?"

Same issue with the Creationists vs Scientists. Sadly, people prefer a fluid myth over stats and data points.
07:29 PM on 02/14/2011
I thought this was somewhat interesting. I thought about my perceptions, how if I'm hanging out a with a guy who talks a lot and talks about his emotions I consider him an outlier of sorts whereas the same with a woman I just think, she's a woman. But perception is important even if I should be contantly working at closing in on my perception being as close as possible to reality.

Still, I agree with a comment that it's just a different generalization, we deal with people, oftentimes, individually. So whether you have certain expectations for a gender's behavior, you are still dealing with one person. I don't like talking about my emotions, a big part of that is I don't feel strongly and what I do feel tends to fade fairly quickly, does that fit me as a stereotypical male, sure, but all the research in the world doesn't change that I personally don't have a lot to say about my emotions. And that's fine. It would remain fine if either, 1) I was a woman or 2) remained a man but was the opposite.
06:15 PM on 02/14/2011
John Gray's sold over 50 million books and bases his work on scientific data. I read his newest, "Venus on Fire, Mars on Ice," that describes the effect of stress and hormones on each gender. His books sell so well because what he describes is so much like our own personal experience.

Fulbright's background includes "Touch Me There! A Hands-On Guide to Your Orgasmic Hot Spots" and "Sultry Sex Talk to Seduce Any Lover" published by (get this) Quiver Books. Is she suggesting that men and women talk and act the same in bed? She also wrote separate books: "His Guide to Going Down" and "Her Guide to Going Down." At least she admits there are SOME differences!

Fulbright's sex books have barely sold on Amazon, even with the super-erotic titles. Seems like she saw there will be a John Gray movie and TV series and she's trying to leach onto his fame.
05:57 PM on 02/14/2011
I think the problem is believing that this group of studies is anymore valid than the group of studies that support the Mars/Venus ideas. Behavioral research can be subject to significant validity issues. In addition, is everyone talking about the same thing? I am not sure about that. If we want to really answer these questions, a consensus about what variables to look at and how to look at them should be determined first. In the meantime, we should try to understand the individual person that we are interacting with.

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04:42 PM on 02/14/2011
P.S. I have friends who swear by his methods and insights, only in their marriage the wife says that she is like the man in the book and the husband is the one like the woman--and yet, outwardly, they look very traditionally male and female (not that this makes a difference, but, you can't "guess" what people's nature is by how they look). I think mystery is increased by polarity of sexuality, but for a lot of people, they don't necessarily want mystery as much as they want equality--which. for some reason, seems to mean they have to lose gender specificity. Not sure why you can't be equals in life and in importance to the relationship, but very very different in this particular area.
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04:37 PM on 02/14/2011
While there may be some gender stereotypes in the Mars/Venus books, I think he speaks a lot of truth (as do similar writers who talk about these polarizations). While it is certainly true that younger generations push for less differentiation between genders and for "equality" in all areas, and while it is true that for many people this works and has a whole culture that supports it, it is also true that--not just in other generations, but in different faith/worldview backgrounds, and in different cultures--the working model is one of gender differences and ne'er the twain shall meet when it comes to knowing how the other thinks. Speaking as someone who identifies very much with the things John Gray talks about, I think that it is a useful tool and insight--not "THE" answer--for self-examination and self-knowledge and for relationship help. If you happen to be one of the fortunate few who has INCREDIBLE communication with your partner, more power to you, but what's wrong with learning how to communicate with your significant other in a way that accomplishes your purposes (of what you are trying to say) rather than "just" doing what you always do and ending up feeling unheard and frustrated or resentful? Anything that helps us learn to communicate more successfully and get our needs/desires met in love is something valuable, IMHO--even if the person teaching us does not have a degree from some prestigious institution. Just sayin'.
03:23 PM on 02/14/2011
Anyone who is truly enlightened? Hmmmm, haven't met anyone enlightened yet, much less truly enlightened. My experience is that men and women are different in the way they communicate and the way they process strong emotions. I don't think this can be denied. My bias usually tilts toward the cultural vs genetic, however, the reality is still the same. I don't think its 100% one way or the other, most of the time, my wife will need to talk things out vs "caving", or letting things leach out. Not always. Your communication suggests that I should behave just like you, and when you want me to. I don't think either gender can claim moral superiority.
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11:30 AM on 02/14/2011
While I think the stereotype misses the point, I DO think that men and women are wired differently. Look at what we mean when we say "I Love You!". It does not mean the same thing to both genders. We may get the same place eventually but the implication and the journey are pretty different, in my humble view. Here is a piece worthy of reading on that topic: http://bit.ly/ILove-you
03:32 PM on 02/14/2011
Hard to believe that anyone doubts that males and females are different!? Isn't that simply fundamental, basic knowledge? Why fight it? I don't understand what the gripe is with being different? Isn't that a good - smart - balanced decision that nature provided?
I agree with you.
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07:49 AM on 02/14/2011
"Venus and Her Lover, with its footholds in the Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, and Western “neo” traditions of Tantra, communicates its messages with the mythic symbols of Western civilization, and two of its protagonists, Venus and Mars. With an archetypal perspective on a very personal expression, we as artists move the drama of the Lovers onto a sacred stage. As our collective imagery about the sufferings of love and the War between the Sexes dissolves, we awaken to the reality of the soul connection between Man and Woman, the passion sparked by their polarity, and the inherent complementarity of the Masculine and Feminine. Tantra opens the heart for our understanding of love as holy and sex as sacrament." Google, "Venus and Her Lover" and get the whole picture.
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03:36 AM on 02/14/2011
You know, I was growing up when this book was published and its nonsense started permeating American culture, and even as a ten year old I resented what I perceived as its misandristic undertones. Alas, I lacked the verbal skills and emotional IQ of a woman that would have been required to express such complex concepts as "thought" and "feeling." But at least I could retreat to my cave for solace...
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02:44 AM on 02/14/2011
It's just like the myth that if women ruled the world there would be no wars...HA...a women scorned and missiles will fly...lol
05:01 PM on 02/14/2011
I always liked the response:
If women ruled the world, there would be no wars; countries would just tease each other until they developed eating disorders.