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The Real Debt Deal

Posted: 07/18/11 01:56 PM ET

"So that goes back to a much bigger issue which is we have a whole host of contracts, that were entered into during better times that unfortunately have to be rewritten." ~ Mohamed El-Erian, CEO of PIMCO, a trillion dollar money management firm.

Forgiving debt is fundamental to American history. So is redefining property rights. We fought a Civil War over the idea that human beings could be property, and repudiated the debt of the Confederacy in the Constitution itself. Bankruptcy -- which is the destruction of debt -- is in the Constitution, while a central bank like the Federal Reserve is not.

And this is because debt is a contractual promise, it is not sacred. The problem we have now, as El-Erian told me in our podcast, is there are too many obligations promised to too many interest groups, and not enough resources to honor them all. So what's happening is that the creditors are fighting with each other to bleed as much from a stone as possible. China wants to be paid on its Treasury bonds, so does Goldman Sachs, and so do Social Security recipients. The same is true for mortgage-backed securities, Greek debt, and every IOU in the American financial system.

But now, because there isn't enough to go around, the accounting for and attempted collection of this debt is driving the welfare of our society. Rather than saying how we can build a productive culture and thereby create more wealth to award to everyone, creditors are trying to divide what exists now. The real waste, of course, are the tens of millions of unemployed and underemployed workers. We will never know what businesses weren't started, what ideas weren't turned into products, and what innovation didn't happen because these people are lying fallow. But the loss is vast. This is the consequence of letting the accounting drive the culture.

There's a lot of discussion over how to properly regulate the banking system, and if you want to hear from one of the best minds, listen to my podcast with Mohamed El-Erian. He analogized our system to a highway; importantly though, it's not just that we need clear rules of the road. We shouldn't be driving just to drive, just as the financial system should be a means to an end. Talking about debt in the abstract is like talking about driving without having a destination in mind. What kind of society do we want to build with our banks and resources? That's the question to start with, not percentages of GDP or spending cuts or tax increases or ratings agency downgrades

In 1862, Lincoln offered to compensate the South for slaves with Treasury bonds, rather than fighting an expensive and deadly war. A few years later, a series of amendments to the Constitution specifically argued that the obligations and property of the South, both debt and slave holdings, were not valid. In 1989, Treasury Secretary Nicholas Brady organized what was essentially a debtor's cartel of Latin American companies that had defaulted on their debt to American banks. The Brady Bond plan worked for everyone.

In 1944, America had probably its finest moment, when it convened the Bretton Woods summit to organize the finances of the post-war world. The post-WW I reparations deal looked much like what we are pursuing now, a "blood from the stone" philosophy of stripping as much from German as possible, while America got as much back from England and France as possible. We know where that led, to depression, then global tensions, then a trade war, then a real war. The post-WW II deal was organized around turning Western Europe into a productive society, to pursue the goal of peace. And it worked! The Marshall Plan, Bretton Woods, the IMF, and the World Bank turned Western Europe into a rich trading partner, and the idea of war between Germany and France is now laughable. This was clearly worth debt forgiveness!

We need a new global restructuring of our obligations, a new Bretton Woods or Brady Bonds solution. Greece should not be descending into poverty, it has an educated workforce and wonderful traditions. American homeowners shouldn't be under siege by creditor predator banks, and millions of us shouldn't be unemployed as debt-holders forced into a Survivor-like fight with each other over scraps. We cannot allow giant creditors to turn fights over debt into currency wars, and then into real wars.

We need leadership to say that this world will not be a lowest common denominator fight over satisfying old debts that cannot be satisfied, with no environmental, labor, or consumer protections. We need leadership to move us towards a high-trust, global productive society that can solve our collective problems. This is doable. We've done it before. We can do it again.

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11:15 PM on 07/24/2011
Thank you, Dylan, for another positive and reasonable approach to our country's problems. You, sir, are a patriot, in the truest sense of the word, a quality sorely lacking in many people of power these days.
You're podcast with El-Erian was great. A simple highway analogy any American can relate to. Looking forward to more of your podcasts.
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08:47 PM on 07/24/2011
I like it mostly. Except we shouldn't stop there. We need to realize that its not just money the world is short of: Water, energy, food, human habitats (never mind wildlife habitat). Its all scarce, and increasingly hoarded or abused by rich countries, rich people. If we want peace, we need to spread the wealth, and protect the environment.
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aikani
06:13 PM on 07/24/2011
just one question what happened to all the money the invasion of iraq was supposed to generate? ooops, a second question, what happens to global markets when oil hits 500 a barrel?
pup sydney
needs of regular folks, Italy; cancer;
05:31 PM on 07/24/2011
Wonderful words mr Ratigan.
I would add: it is time to stop pretending having success without quality, climbing the ladder for the sake of climbing it and /as you say/ driving on the highway of any system fonancial
Political scientific for the sake of driving.
It is time to honor the smart not the connected. It is time to unleash not to reward everybody no matter the skills. It is time to teach and screen. Time to compete with china not to serve china by selling the little know how we have left.
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Duke1225
05:03 PM on 07/24/2011
Great column. I was reading what bad shape Jamaica is in because of high interest rates. Interest rates! The world is suffering. And people are trying to get more money by interest rates, which are arbitrary and imaginary. I'm having the same thing in my personal life. I have a credit card (Departments Store that's owned by citibank) that raised its rates across the board to 24.5%. I've never paid late, I've never gone over. I had to get it to pay tuition and because they are turning higher ed into a temp work situation. I wasn't living above my means. I needed it for food money, health care etc. My lifestyle is completely messed up by this high interest rate. I can't even afford glasses with the right prescription. And, there is nothing I can do.
04:12 PM on 07/24/2011
This is a very nice and fresh perspective. To further this argument, I believe the problem is worsened by this corrosive "all or none" "no-compromise" mentality that pervades all of capitalism and that actually worsens the outcome for everyone involved. If creditors would not insist that each and everyone of them collect 100% of what they are owed, but simply compromised with all other creditors and agreed to receive their fair share, then the likelihood of a global panic-induced recession based on sovereign debt default would be greatly reduced. It's this lack of compromise that leads to all sorts of problems -- a related but distinct example being government labor unions not able to come to agreements and thus forcing state and local governments to carry out mass layoffs. I guess there should be a law that requires a clause in all financial contracts that says: the terms of this contract must be honored, except in cases of extreme circumstances (e.g., a national or global financial catastrophe) in which case all contract holders will receive up to their fair share of their claims.
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03:26 PM on 07/24/2011
Great article Sir.
Gasparilla
there is no clean coal
02:31 PM on 07/24/2011
You can't really compare the reparations demanded from Germany to what is going on now. This is money we freely borrowed. I don't think we can just say we won't repay, without major consequences. Just because Greece has "wonderful traditions" doesn't mean they didn't try to have it both ways.
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02:26 PM on 07/24/2011
Thanks Dylan - for the punt.
01:51 PM on 07/24/2011
We need to reform the monetary system in such a way that all new loans are completely backed by real collateral and high down payments. we need to reinstate Glass Steagall and dismantle the nanny state to the extent that we keep social safety nets but do not give people 'freebies' because they are NOT free. They are taken from someone else.
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beverlyg
01:24 PM on 07/24/2011
Dylan, our two biggest problems beside debt are jobs and foreign entanglements and they are major causes of our debt.
Jobs could be dealt with by drastically reducing Legal and illegal immigration which exceeds job creation; however, Democrats are totally devoted to immigration and Republicans just want to hire them.
The Military Industrial Complex and our Empirists hold too much of our wealth, Media and influential positions to allow us to significantly reduce the huge flow of our wealth oversea Adm. Mullen admits that our greatest threat is the debt. Does he have a plan to blow up the debt or debt holders if we can't repudiate it?
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aikani
06:21 PM on 07/24/2011
it isn't immigration, the bigger problem in this country is the outsourcing of manufacturing that has occurred under NAFTA. Corporate america's wet dream is for 80 percent of this country to be working for bolivian wages.
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dweav
01:14 PM on 07/24/2011
It's elementary my dear Watson, simply stop the illegal wars and close the close to 1000 military bases the US has around the world. Just who are we protecting with all that? Big corporations that's who. Big corps that don't pay taxes for that protection. They bribe politicians instead. Tax them a lot.
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02:27 PM on 07/24/2011
A most rational and doable suggestion. to 13
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RichLovejoy
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11:07 AM on 07/24/2011
Dylan Ratigan has consistently had the most refreshing, innovative, and out-of-the box ideas, and he really needs more attention. The left vs. right, democrat vs. republicans, clash of the ideologies, is getting us nowhere, and getting old fast.

Agree with Dylan- we should default, after we receive some kind of debt forgiveness from whoever we can get it. Pay back foreign creditors first and default on those holding the debt here in the USA, creditors who can afford to take the hit. It would take some voluntary pain, but at some point we are going to collective­ly have to take some pain to get out of this- that includes the rich as well. The entire exercise since we first started bailing out banks, lowering interest rates, and printing money in 2008 has been to avoid taking even the slightest amount of fiscal pain.
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Soulsurfer
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01:20 PM on 07/24/2011
We won't get any sort of debt forgiveness from China, nor Goldman-Sachs.
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aikani
06:22 PM on 07/24/2011
maybe if the government defaults every single american should do the same...........just saying
10:40 AM on 07/24/2011
Let us think about it. People did not exercise their voting rights to ensure their populace was educated and could not be swayed by big money advertising. Now we have a system that unfairly favors the rich to the detriment of democrats, republicans, and independents. Rather than simply criticise the system , lets make it work for us. First lets demand curriculum in our schools that teach not just how to balance a checkbook but teaches the rudiments of macroeconomics. Heck lets teach ourselves and our neighbors. Second lets organize to oppose corporatist policies in our states as people in Ohio and Wisconsin are doing. Third lets use this organization to support progressive policies and candidates, removing those who unwittingly or wittingly serve the interest of the rich, teapartiers or corporatist republicans or democrats. If we fodo this. We can build a stronger more prosperous more just nation, strong and repected around the world for its equality, fairness, and institutions again.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
09:10 AM on 07/24/2011
Corporate profits the best they have been in a long while,corporations sitting on those profits and refusing to hire new workers or buy new equipment, but they spend enough of there money to continue to invest in countries like China and India. This business by austerity model for the United States will continue right up to the new elections, why because it is better to elect a new President that will destroy any regulations or pollutions controls corporations want to violate in the name of more profit! So yes America Corporate America is working with the Republicans and both entities want President Obama to fail, and by the Tea party groupies waving their banner they are risking their own lifestyle for big business, nothing would make corporate America more happy then have every American working for minimum wage with no benefits or retirement!