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Sweat Lodges Are Sitting Bull

Posted: 10/22/09 04:23 PM ET

After reading the horrifying reports from eyewitnesses about the so-called "New Age Guru," James Arthur Ray, forcing people to stay inside a sweat lodge while his "followers" vomited, lost consciousness and died, I have the following observations:

Anyone who charges you $9,695 dollars to make you so ill you must be taken to a hospital is a con man.

Anyone who tells you that vomiting is "good for you, that you are purging what your body doesn't want, what it doesn't need," is a sadist.

Anyone who ever refers to you as a "spiritual warrior" is a crook.

I once took part in a sweat lodge in Utah. First our medicine woman -- yes, that is what we called her! -- lit a bunch of grass and blew the smoke all over us. This was called "smudging" and was supposed to cleanse us. Then we entered the sweat lodge which was constructed of our oars (we were rafting down the Colorado River at the time) and big blue plastic tarps. The "sisters" who had the curse were not welcome in the sweat lodge. Their "energy was bad." They had to sit in the "moon lodge."

The rest of us, not on the rag, had to sit inside the tarps while our priestess (we also called her a "priestess" -- I can hardly believe it as I write) poured Colorado River water on heated rocks, and some one we called "Miss Manners" beat a drum. We also shook our rattles which we had made out of gourds.

I began to feel faint. I can't tell you how hot it was -- I'm guessing about 125 degrees, maybe 130. We were passing a ladle of lemonade, and saying "To All My Relations," and I accidentally drank a mug of filthy Colorado River water. When I thought I could take it no longer, I found that I could not stand up. My energy had been completely sapped. It was at this point that our Priestess ask us to begin our "Wolf Howls."

I have wondered to this very day if American Indians ever did this kind stuff? I doubt it. It's too stupid, too phony, too white.

If you really want a "vision quest" I suggest you save the $9,000 and take a walk in the fall leaves, lay out under the stars, look deeply into your dog's eyes, smoke a joint, drop acid or eat a mushroom.

It's cheaper, healthier, and may save your life!

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12:53 AM on 11/07/2009
I agree that the tragedy in Sedona appears to be a case of woefully awful leadership and cobbling of traditions with no guidance from knowledgeable medicine people.

And I think your headline is absolutely horrid.

Sitting Bull was a respected member of the Lakota tribe. Sweatlodge is sacred to the Lakota people, and is practiced regularly as part of many traditional ceremonies.

Lumping James Ray and respected Native American leaders for comic effect in a headline is not amusing, it is irresponsible.

It propagates the belief among those unfamiliar with the actual tradition that all sweat lodges and medicine people are bad. They aren't.
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07:21 PM on 10/27/2009
It seems to me that when people seek to make money off of people's need to be connected to the divine, things are bound to go wrong. Let us help each other, each day and develop practices that deepen our understanding and experience of life.
04:16 PM on 10/24/2009
1) What is sad is, the real benefits from "sweat lodge" and other rituals and techniques are lost when money is involved. Nothing wrong with covering costs, and even making a living to share one's knowledge, but this guy must be laughing all the way to the bank. He must get a kick out of controlling such a large amount of people, while sitting in his cushy BH mansion. He hasn't even contacted these people. Now THAT would be facing his fears!

2) Ray couldn't listen to his inner self during the crisis. He had to consult his guru attorneys. When an individual is truly centered and authentic, they are able to deal with any crisis calmly and with integrity. This guy up and ran away. Amazing
09:43 AM on 10/24/2009
I've done one sweatlodge, Cherokee-style and free. My lifelong asthma left me for over a month after the sweat, a phenomenon I've also noticed after heat waves without air conditioning.

Students of Cherokee lodges claim that herbs and brush used in the lodge can have the effect of weakened-bacteria or weakened-virus inoculations. The sweat, as Finns, Romans, and the ancient Jews knew, removes systemic toxins, and may metabolize the excretions of histamines and allergens.

Anyone who is paying $9000 for a sweatlodge or for any "spiritual" training would be better off paying it to a good financial planner, a charity with work partnerships, and a psychiatrist. The work inside the charity will bring more significant spiritual rewards, the financial planner can help you figure out why you're paying spiritual Madoffs for intangibles with no dividends, and the shrink can teach you how to recognize a con man or woman.
07:54 AM on 10/24/2009
There were a lot of classic mind control techniques being used in the "Spiritual Warrior" program. People were humiliated, told to "play full out" told to shave their heads. Dropped out in the desert without food or water for three days. They were already severely dehydrated before they were stuffed in a so called "sweat lodge" to cook their brains. All of these are mind control techniques. Obviously "Death Ray" didn't know when to stop because he won't be getting repeat business from dead customers. People have to learn to recognize mind control techniques early in the games while they are still able to leave and live. No one's brain will function correctly without water. Leave EARLY and live.
03:04 PM on 10/23/2009
The New Ager Guru/Shaman types are often just con men or narcissistic sociopaths...Those that follow these charlatans indiscriminately are simply foolish. I live in a place where there are a lot of these kinds of things going on. So-called "workshops" where people "learn" all kinds of crazy nonsense. Many times I have approached them to see what it is they are doing and what they are saying only to learn that they are trying to profit of of nonsensical, mystical nonsense. Their ideas are cobbled together from various traditions, they use various buzzwords that seem to support their viewpoint, and they hustle the gullible for money.
Native American practices have been exploited and are largely misunderstood. Same goes for a lot of the rest of the airy fairy mumbo jumbo out there.
Sure, I think that there is such a thing as intuition and certain psi abilities that are based on rational, scientific principles. Ask Puthoff and Targ about it.
In most cases, though, its all nonsense and sometimes its deadly nonsense.
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01:38 PM on 10/23/2009
I've done real sweat lodge with a real Native American spiritual elder running it. Most of the guys doing it were Native American and also recovering alcoholics. I paid nothing except bring some food to share when it was over. Sweats can be good and very powerful forms of prayer for the right people under the right circumstances. I do agree however that our modern culture has again taken something special and turned it into just another money making piece of fluff.