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Why Your Intellect Is an Obstacle In Yoga

Posted: 11/15/2011 7:00 am

When Ed trained in yoga he lived in silence, practice and service. He soon became aware that yoga is far more than just a series of postures or mental exercises, but rather is a way of life that leads to self-realization. He trained at the Bihar School of Yoga in India during the late 1960s, where he became a swami -- a yoga expert. But only when he came back to the west and began to live as a yogi did he see how inclusive and far-reaching yoga really is.

Although it has its roots in Hinduism, yoga transcends the limitations of religion; it stands alone. Yoga means union; it is waking up to the beauty both within ourselves and realizing the sacredness of all life. And it is the expression of love: loving yourself and others, which frees us from a chaotic mind, negativity and neurosis.

In this way we see that true yoga -- the very essence of what yoga means -- is when we find our freedom, when we open our hearts and love beyond ourselves, when we serve and awaken. For only when we open our hearts can we realize the brilliance of who we are.

Many of us are tempted to study the traditional yoga teachings, the texts, sutras and vedas, but in this way we can easily gain an intellectual understanding and miss the direct experience. For none of this, as fantastically wonderful as it is, will ever make us happy or set us free. We learn the greatness of the wise ones but how does it help us? Until we open our heart, look within and rejoice in the love that is our true nature, all the teachings are just words. They can inspire our intellect but can never enlighten us. We can quote the scriptures, we can even become a learned scholar, but we are not true yogis until the intellect is no longer running the show.

In the western world we worship the intellect -- if we have a degree we are highly respected, if we don't we are considered uneducated. But many of the sadhus of old -- the original yoga practitioners -- were poor and uneducated, they couldn't even read or write. Instead, they experienced and realized yoga deep within their hearts and lives, as the truth of yoga is beyond both mind and intellect.

The real experience of yoga is not found through the books or teachings, as helpful and inspirational as they may be. When we are about to die it won't help to know what page we are meant to be on! Yoga can only be known by embodying it within ourselves. We manage in this world through our senses and mind; we rely on them to function in this complexity of life. But only when we enter the heart is the truth revealed.

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When Ed trained in yoga he lived in silence, practice and service. He soon became aware that yoga is far more than just a series of postures or mental exercises, but rather is a way of life that leads...
When Ed trained in yoga he lived in silence, practice and service. He soon became aware that yoga is far more than just a series of postures or mental exercises, but rather is a way of life that leads...
 
 
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
04:08 PM on 12/26/2011
Many people misunderstand when they hear us say how the intellect is an obstacle - but this is not only our view this is an ancient truth!
There is nothing particularly wrong with the intellectual approach-
It is just that the intellect is so powerful - it takes over the mind & makes you feel that you are so right- that knowledge of things is supreme etc. the more you know - the more facts etc. you accumulate. The more information, the more you know about the Vedas, The Gita etc. the more you know & understand yoga!
There is very little room for other views - one gets fixed & locked into their way is thee way-
Anyone who challenges this view is like an enemy -
just as various comments from people about the intellect being a obstacle has caused such a fuss!
When you 'realize' that nothing is solid - that true freedom is not holding on to any view-
That in truth in freedom there is no reference point -
only then what we say here can be fully understood.
Be an empty vessel & let the light of wisdom & compassion flow naturally through!
06:13 PM on 11/28/2011
No Wonder I have such a terrible yoga practice! I am a super intellect. lol. I seriously do tell myself: "do--don't think". Have been practicing for many years and years. Each day is different. Getting the mind out of the way is the biggest obstacle. I thought it was great this article points out: in the West we idolize intellect and education. Namaste
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
09:39 PM on 12/04/2011
Hi Ekisa - it's not like we can just get the intellect away as it is being aware - it's all about noticing & paying attention-
when you see - are aware of the many ways we get hooked by out thinking & analyzing overly caught in our heads then we can come from a place of wisdom!
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
10:17 PM on 11/20/2011
Yoga is not what you think -

Yoga is to embody the truth - to live & be free - to know yourself - not as a thought or idea - not with the intellect or emotions but in every aspect of your being! you become the embodiment of happiness of peace!
All else is misunderstanding!

Of course every aspect of yoga is a delight!

but it won't set you free - unless it is internal - most yoga practices are external - involving body, emotions, mind/intellect -
truth is within -

Intellectual or Jynana yoga is still a mind game tricky in that you appear to know but knowledge is not wisdom! wisdom is Self-Realization -

The musk deer has a beautiful smell in it's belly yet searches throughout the forest for the smell. People look outside themselves for happiness & freedom. They think by reading the holy books- the Gita, Shastras & listen to intellectual teachers & cultivating the intellect that they will know the truth but that is a trap of the ego-mind - all that may be wonderful & inspiring but again it is not truth!

The truth is revealed when you give it all up - surrender - as it all is ignorance. Surrender even the teacher & the guru - be alone, naked in the truth, that is waking up that is Self-Realization - that is truth- That is Yoga!

Wake-up! Enjoy the journey!

Treasure yourself,

Paramahamsa Swami Brahmananda- Ed Shapiro -
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gemsviathailand
Namaste - Have a nice day!
11:38 PM on 11/18/2011
Lately my yoga consists of proclaiming to my wife "Rak khoon wannee wan-jai" ; "I love you today, sweetheart." For some reason the repetition of that affirmation has brought more clarity to my animation. Simple food has become more appreciated. Fragrances on breezes are more valued. The lack of silence in the village can stir some selfishness, but for the most part, it is recognized as life practicing for a repeat performance tomorrow.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
12:00 AM on 11/19/2011
great view & compassionate understanding!

Thank you!
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
02:06 PM on 11/17/2011
This blog was inspired by people who have done yoga a long time yet seem to miss the mark -
they believe they are practitioners who have understood yoga -

knowing anything about yoga is just that - it is knowing but not embodying -

these people are known as textbook yogis!

You can see comments here - people who keep insisting they understand -

but they are deluded - as there is no yoga without wisdom - you cannot get wisdom from a book or from anyone whoever the teacher - many of the famous ones are caught in their PR -

they believe their followers -

& think they are great yogis but if they have not realized "no mind" -

"radiant emptiness" they are only fooling themselves - they are not free -

awakening is from within not without -

read the comments here from people who say they know yoga - & know that this is mental yoga it is the ego speaking & not the heart - until you are free - you are not a yoga.

you can never learn yoga from outside you can only sit with & be inspired you can receive transmission but ultimately you can only do it by yourself!
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
04:33 AM on 11/18/2011
As mentioned -

Scholars give the appearance of knowing - in India the Brahman's who are the scholars - they are held high - they act like they know but the true wise ones the yogis laugh at them -

Even the 4 Shankaracharya's (or 4 Pope-like) figures are the scholarly ones - they know the Mahabharata can sing the Gita & memorized the Shastra 's by heart but this is intellect.

In the USA they have knowledgeable teachers held high by many but they are not free! they are not unconditionally happy!

They are caught in their minds - their students think they are the cats meow but they have Enlightened ego's - they even believe they are all knowing but again it is ego identification not the real thing!

Many students think if they come into their heart as has been stated in a comment here that it is bhakti yoga - but that is the ego mind speaking it is ignorance being spouted for without the heart opened Enlightenment - Self-Realisation is incomplete.

It is dry Yoga not fully ripe - the heart is the core of your being it is not wishy-washy love - rather it is the way to transcend the limitations of the intellect!

May all beings be free from suffering!
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
12:10 AM on 11/19/2011
It is important to have comments & to have different views -

To disagree is what good blogging is about it is part of life -

there is no need to lose control & worry if someone blasts your comment or says that your understanding is grossly wrong -

that is their view - so let's not get to wow wow - let's be cool in all circumstances - isn't that the real yoga?

what is important is to not have to be right all the time & to respect others pints of view even if you completely believe the other person is missing the point!

I honor you Dharma Kate & that you strongly feel differently & even at times I believe you do not know what I am saying or maybe I don't you!

It is healthy to have dialogue with you Kate!

Happy Thanksgiving!

Ed
Dharma kate
Monty Python wrote my bio.
07:50 AM on 11/17/2011
cont'd from below...

Besides, the path of intellect and study is a well-honoured one in Yoga. The jnanis may not get as much attention as the bhakit practitioners but I have been served greatly by the scholarship of people like Georg Feuerstein, Michael Stone, Mircea Eliade and Stephen Cope.

To sum it up, Swami Ed... it's what we do with our intellectual gifts that will make it yoga or anti-yoga. It can serve us, leading us closer to union, be used to control and dampen the ego. Alternatively, it can used to fuel the ego .. turn it into excesses. It is possible to over think yoga, as much as one can overthink anything. Thinking can be used as a substitute for action.. which I frequently succumb to. However, I have learned through experience that action without thinking is frequently unskilful.

Namaste,

Kate
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
01:42 PM on 11/17/2011
couldn't disagree with you more kate - this is the most deluded comment - it is a perfect example of someone who has wrong view - it is an unfortunate example of arrogance.

you say:
it's what we do with our intellectu­al gifts that will make it yoga or anti-yoga.
again wrong understanding it is ego, monkey mind speaking not wisdom mind - it can never serve us!
again it is incorrect!
Thinking yoga is like holding coal & believing you won't get burnt.

awakening is spontaneous - you cannot control the ego either it is like catching the wind-
you say:
However, I have learned through experience that action without thinking is frequently unskillful.

wisdom is authentic the mind is unreliable it is like a naughty child - that is why the world is in such a mess

This comment is just what we are talking about - it is coming from intellect not wisdom!

Without heart there is no true understanding - intellect is the opposite of wisdom

In my over 40 years & 16 books I often see comments that appear to make sense but this is nonsense!
Dharma kate
Monty Python wrote my bio.
04:39 PM on 11/17/2011
Wow. Just wow.

I guess I'll respectfully agree to disagree with your assessment that bhakti is the ONLY way to union. I disagree because experience tells me otherwise. It's not that I have anything against the bhakti path -- my own beloved teacher is a bhakta. And I have no dog in this fight. My path is neither bhakti nor jnani.

To continue to discuss this matter while you are in an such an attacking mode is not condusive to peace. I apologize for having let this loose. It has never been my intention to forment such anger.

Thank you for your response. It is illuminating but right now, the skilful action for me is cultivate vairagya. .

Om Shanti, Ed, and again, I apologize for having upset you so.

Kate
Dharma kate
Monty Python wrote my bio.
05:07 PM on 11/17/2011
Apparently the moderator did not see fit to pass forward my apology for having upset you so. I hope you got it. It's not my intention to cause anyone any grief or anger. I disagree with you in that I do not accept that bhakti is the sole path of yoga. I appreciate that this is your chosen path.

Om Shanti,

Kate
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
02:12 PM on 11/17/2011
what you say here is textbook yoga -

yoga is not what you think -

Yoga is non-dual -

this is confusion!
Dharma kate
Monty Python wrote my bio.
07:42 AM on 11/17/2011
I think it all depends on what you do with the intellect -- is it Master or servant? Erroneous use of intellect is those days when I dither before my stacks of 100s of yoga practices, trying to rationalize which is "best" in this moment, to the point I never actually do it.. Then I'm using my intellect as a means of escape (usually because something is lurking under the surface I don't want to cop to)... poor use of intellect in this case.

This morning, practice became yoga due to the influence of the intellect. I was working with a posture that presented considerable physical challenge to me and as I "worked" it, the following came to mind: sthira sukham asanam .. the posture is firm AND soft (easy).. YSP II.46. My sutra studies, which are very intellectual in orientation, came to the rescue and reminded me that it ain't yoga if it ain't both effort and release. I spent the remaining time using my intellect to dissect the "problem" -- where was I holding that I didn't need to... was it an issue of support? Alignment? With some patience I "found" the posture -- it will never make the front cover of Yoga Journal but that's the point. By use of the intellect, I was able to let go of the ego's fixation of outward form and release into the essence of the posture.

"cont"
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
10:52 AM on 11/17/2011
The intellect, your mind can be misleading it can get you into deep confusion so it is not your friend -

The mind of wisdom, seeing things as they are is the way to go!

In Self-Realization - the intellect is redundant -

truth emerges - wisdom beyond the intellect!
12:42 PM on 12/31/2011
You know you can't be a married sannyasin, right?
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darcylu
I like Christ but christians are so unlike Christ
08:00 PM on 11/16/2011
I need to try 'chair yoga', because I can no longer do most of the poses, at this moment. Intellectually speaking, this may be a problem, perhaps. But I assume it is better than nothing.

:)
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
11:01 PM on 11/16/2011
hi darcylu - some of the great teachers who have been teaching meditation & yoga do

'chair yoga' even corpse pose yoga -

do your best & leave the rest!
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darcylu
I like Christ but christians are so unlike Christ
01:43 AM on 11/17/2011
Ed & Deb.

Thanks! I will.
05:51 PM on 11/16/2011
The Buddha was an intellectual. He was basically Voltaire two thousand years early. Didn't stop him from getting where he did.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
11:07 PM on 11/16/2011
how do you know what the Buddha was? did you sit with him? did he tell you all the things you read.

The Buddha's main teaching was don't do as I say find out what is real for you!

He sat & then woke up - he didn't read it in a book -

be quiet be still - the Buddha woke up when his mind became empty transparent -

you can be a scholar or you can wake up it's your choice!

How do you know if he existed - forget the Buddha -

what is real for you?
05:30 PM on 11/17/2011
"The Buddha's main teaching was don't do as I say find out what is real for you!"

That was Voltaire's main teaching too...

No reason why you can't be both a scholar and awake. If anything, being a scholar helps, because critical thinking is absolutely necessary for successful Buddhism.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
04:46 AM on 11/18/2011
Wisdom is knowing truth - scholarly understanding is accumulated knowledge-
gathering of information -

a person of wisdom is free/awake - a scholar is not!

you say:
If anything, being a scholar helps, because critical thinking is absolutely necessary for successful Buddhism.

Buddha wasn't a Buddhist neither Jesus Christian -

Buddha was a Hindu - Jesus was a Jewish person -

They both sort their own truth & became free!

You say:
being a scholar helps, because critical thinking is absolutely necessary for successful Buddhism.

What is successful Buddhism? many successful Buddhist are still not happy - they practice go on retreats & still their ego, monkey mind plagues them!

They are stuck!

ISMS are WASIMS
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reality has already (w)on(e), surrender!
10:18 AM on 11/16/2011
monkey mind is a teacher and like all teachers must become obsolete either through failure or success, failure creates "cults" of personality where the goal is to serve the master, or success where reality is seen to be master, and so anyone can stand in for reality, or reality can stand in for anyone, i forget which, actually both and neither, but anyway what has happened is intellect has filled up the sky so you don't notice the sky at all, so worried about that weather. once reality is grasped there is nothing more to learn, reality is already complete, not that there should be no intllect, not al all, smarts are great as servant as you say, just a terrible master. in tantra intellect is symbolized by water, it can be helpful if liquid, fluid, flexible, vast, and nondestructive, the problem is when it turns icy, solid, fragile, rigid, and very destructive. the problem is fixed ideas/false idols/graven images, anything that takes the playfulness/liquidity out of REALized intellect is an impediment, and this is manifested in the need to intellectually rigidly classify/calcify reality out of lack of trust really, so therefore the vast and endless padding that intellect represents and so instead of singing, study the theory of music, but reality dosn't play that game, reality only is reavealed nakedly, intellect is for translation not creation, it is a servant not a leader. but poor old ego dosn't know any better, until "too late".
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
05:33 AM on 11/18/2011
Brilliantly spoken - - this is clear understanding!

What you say here is wisdom:

monkey mind is a teacher and like all teachers must become obsolete either through failure or success, failure creates "cults" of personalit­y where the goal is to serve the master, or success where reality is seen to be master, and so anyone can stand in for reality, or reality can stand in for anyone, i forget which, actually both and neither, but anyway what has happened is intellect has filled up the sky so you don't notice the sky at all, so worried about that weather. once reality is grasped there is nothing more to learn, reality is already complete,

& what you say here is spot on:

so therefore the vast and endless padding that intellect represents and so instead of singing, study the theory of music, but reality dosn't play that game, reality only is revealed nakedly, intellect is for translatio­n not creation, it is a servant not a leader. but poor old ego doesn't know any better, until "too late".
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Indigo1941
Time traveler.
07:50 AM on 11/16/2011
The "Truth" of yoga may be beyond the intellect but it takes a truck-load of mental focus (dharana) to position the (merely?) physical body into some of the postures/asana. So, no, the intellect is not an obstacle, it's a help along the path.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
09:22 AM on 11/16/2011
Hi Indigo1941 - you say:

The "Truth" of yoga may be beyond the intellect but it takes a truck-load of mental focus (dharana) to position the (merely?)

This statement & belief is a trap of the ego-mind - as long as you think it takes a truckload you are creating obstacles. I have been teaching Internationally over 42 years & see that people are too in their heads!

The truth is here - right now - there is nothing else - as long as you believe somewhere in the future holds the truth - somewhere in the future is your freedom you will NEVER EVER get there!

YES YES YES the Intellect is an obstacle & as long as you want to keep that myth going you can!

It's up to you!

If not now- then when?

Good luck maybe in ya next life!

Swami Brahmananda Saraswati (Ed Shapiro)
07:29 AM on 11/16/2011
"In the western world we worship the intellect"

With the contrasting exception of America, where we worship the absence of intellect, especially as of lately...
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
09:06 AM on 11/16/2011
That was a none political statement!

As for the political scene numbing down is necessary!
03:08 PM on 11/16/2011
My statement wasn't especially political either. It's more of a societal observation - to the naked eye, America harbors a lot of endearment for anti-intellactualism, and a lot of pride for it too. In fact, worship is not too strong a word. And it's not simply anti-intellectualism, it's also anti-intelligence.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
09:58 PM on 01/08/2012
come out of your mind & into your heart
forget the western world

when you wake up you will see all this is nonsense!
01:49 AM on 11/16/2011
This is exactly what the Christians say when they deny evolution.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
06:27 AM on 11/16/2011
Hey xXRBOTXx - what are you trying to say? do be specific!
08:09 AM on 11/16/2011
This was not directed to you specifically but there are some readers here that when (specially in articles about the environment) that criticize Christians when they deny things like evolution or global warming based on their beliefs because they don't value intellect.

On a separate note Yoga for me is a flexibility exercise but I don't think I need to believe in the supernatural things they claim about it to enjoy it.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
09:29 AM on 11/16/2011
Don't be confused Yoga is not about supernatural that is the ISM - as in all religions

for us

ISMS are now WASIMS

Is breathing supernatural if so then you believe in the supernatural - is caring for others or loving supernatural -

Don't be confused -

Yoga is just being aware!

of yourself & of life - It is being a good person & doing good things like -

Skiing with awareness, Like anything you do with a feeling of dignity & respect!
01:25 AM on 11/16/2011
A really great piece I agree with on all levels. I used to practice Yoga much more frequently and it made me feel so good emotionally and physically and actually inspired me to make good choices for the rest of my day. Unfortunately I suffer from depression and despite Yoga being able to help with that the problem is finding the motivation to actually perform yoga when so down.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
05:16 AM on 11/16/2011
Thank you for sharing your story - nothing is permanent - I was so down I couldn't see a way out of it- but things pass-

The mind is like the sky - things come & go - make friends with yourself - accept what is happening - you may need to seek therapy or guidance - I had a bright one- I was living in England & didn't have many friends which was challenging - my therapist taught me there is wisdom in the shadow in what I was going through - she said the depression would make me a better teacher - I now see what I went through was my teacher!

Treasure yourself,
Ed
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Derek Beres
Words Beats Postures
08:51 PM on 11/15/2011
While I understand what you are writing to be A path of yoga, the line about knowing the 'real experience' of yoga reminds me of the many fractured divisions found in many religions - the 'real teachings' of Jesus, Ali's true role in Islam and the Sufi offshoots, and so on. What you have highlighted here is in essence the heart of bhakti yoga, with a nod towards karma yoga, but what about jnana yoga? What about viveka and being able to ascertain a situation with your intellect to move forward? What about the yamas and niyamas, which at times force you to make a decision that is not necessarily an easy one? For all the talk about being guided by the heart, it is still our brains that do the processing - a nice metaphor, but not an actual reality of what is happening inside of our bodies. While I understand that the 'mind' is as much an abstraction as 'soul' or 'god,' I would not undermine the importance of thought or intellect. I appreciate your attempt to highlight the importance of feeling and meditation, and completely agree that these qualities should be cultivated and nurtured. I would just advise against claiming the 'real' knowledge of a practice in which many rivers spill into the same ocean, and that others navigate through on different routes.
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
06:11 AM on 11/16/2011
Derek you say: What about jnana yoga, viveka and being able to ascertain a situation with your intellect to move forward? viveka comes from the heart!

I trained in India through transmission - as the ancients were taught called Upadesh - from the mouth of the guru to the ear of the disciple -

Few people can be a true Jnani, a living Master is needed - you say Viveka or discrimination -
The ego is not reliable - the is tricky - only a Realized one can guide you in viveka!

You say:
What about the yamas & niyamas, which at times force you to make a decision that is not necessaril­y an easy one?
I say:
Actually Yama & Niyama are advanced - not the first 2 limbs - as taught by Patanjali

Paramahamsa Satyananda who I personally trained with taught that until you are Self- Realized you cannot perfect yama & niyama -or understand morals & ethics-
ahimsa or non injury never cause suffering to yourself or others in thought, word or deed!

To never cause harm is rare - never speak untruth, be moral, never steal etc.
You say:
For all the talk about being guided by the heart, it is still our brains that do the processing-

Your Heart is the King the mind the adviser - the mind goes into the world - explores, processes etc. then comes back to the king who makes the decision!
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Ed and Deb Shapiro
06:15 AM on 11/16/2011
continued: Part 2 - Do read this reply after the other!

Classical Yoga is best learned from a teacher who has realized the essence of yoga. Someone who embodies the teachings. Yoga cannot e learned from a book

In the ancient times the wisdom was handed down - was learned and is known as the Upanishads - upadesh - you spent time with a master & when the master felt you were ready your were sent out and would move about never staying in one place more than 3 days!

ok enough!

Hari Om Tat Sat!
Swami Brahmananda (Ed Shapiro)
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Derek Beres
Words Beats Postures
05:56 PM on 11/16/2011
Hey Ed, thanks for your reply. There are still two parts that are not sitting well with me:

First, you mention viveka coming from the heart. But all of our perceptions and emotions come from our brain. This could just be a linguistic disagreement, but this is basic neuroscience. I can always appreciate a good metaphor. The idea that 'viveka comes from the heart,' however, is little more than a metaphor, which leads us back to intellect as the guiding force.

Secondly, I understand that classical yoga is best learned from a teacher. But there are many forms of yoga, both traditionally and in modern times. The guru model is A way of learning yoga, all I was saying is that there are others. It's dangerous to think that the way that you learned is the only way - it's the gateway to fundamentalism, and fundamentalism starts by leaving everyone else behind.