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Eddie Geller

Eddie Geller

Posted: December 6, 2010 04:26 PM

A few weeks ago, I posted an article to Reddit.com (one of the Internet's most beloved social news sites) about the woeful prospects for Net Neutrality. I wrote, "If we want Net Neutrality (or anything else), then we need to demand it."

I proposed a grassroots political organization: One that wouldn't be beholden to any party or politician, just solely dedicated to political action on behalf of the issues we care about. That organization is now the Open Source Democracy Foundation (OSDF).

Net Neutrality was a natural choice to tackle as our first issue. We didn't just choose it arbitrarily, however. We posted our ideas and opinions on reddit.com/r/rpac. Debate ensued from the Reddit community. People proposed we take on a range of issues, from cutting defense spending to solar tax credits to Congressional term limits. But in the end, we entered an IRC chat room and cast our votes to adopt Net Neutrality as our first issue.

The case for nonpartisan support for Net Neutrality couldn't be stronger. As one of our members (g3tting3v3n) put it, "What we are doing, right here, right now, is an illustration of how the Internet can be used as a user-friendly tool of democracy to empower the masses."

Regardless of peoples' ideologies and political persuasions, we find it hard to believe anyone wants the Internet to be less free or less open. Another post from a user (wdr1) read, "I'm a 'Conservative' who feels strongly about Net Neutrality...Is the [OSDF] something for me?" The answer is, obviously, yes. The user went on to write, "I'm going to disagree with the majority of the Reddit base on a lot of issues. One issue, however, I feel very strongly about & would love to support, and help Reddit push forward, is Net Neutrality. (My livelihood is tied to the Internet. To me, helping preserve the Internet is [a] lot like the forester who plants trees.)" I couldn't have said it better myself.

So, if we agree that the Internet should remain in its current free and open form, then the question becomes: How do we keep it that way? Well, like those at Free Press and SavetheInternet.com, the members of the OSDF believe that there need to be strong guidelines in place to prevent any tampering from the Internet gatekeepers (Comcast, we're looking in your direction!). That's why we're proud to partner with SavetheInternet to send all the letters we can to Federal Communications Commissioners Michael Copps and Mignon Clyburn, telling them that we need real Net Neutrality--not a version that contains giant loopholes or leaves wireless Internet unprotected. Please consider joining our effort - take action now.


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JNarragansett
Check your premises
04:04 PM on 12/08/2010
I'm baffled that in trying to figure out how to preserve Net Neutrality the people who write articles here suggest that we should ignore the ways in which net neutrality has been preserved in the past, and abandon a method which has had a 100% success rate in rebuffing attempts to curtail net neutrality. In place of the entity with a perfect record of success, they seek to hand control over to a group which has a proven history of creating monopolies, protecting bad business models and passing their increased costs along to consumers. The only justification they offer for such a shift is that you should be afraid of what corporations will do.
09:59 PM on 12/08/2010
Every time I want to respond to the comments, I find it difficult to craft a response in disagreement that doesn't appear like it's intentionally snarky. Or one that doesn't induce one-upsmanship. Comment threads can be a terrible place to engage in debate. As I've said to others who''ve commented, please feel free to email message me at @eddie_geller on Twitter (our email system is down, at the moment for the osdf.org site) if you'd like to discuss more.

And if you're interested, there's a great Q&A on Reddit from Tim Karr (campaign director at Free Press) about NN: http://www­.reddit.co­m/r/IAmA/c­omments/eh­68t/ask_me­_about_net­_neutralit­y/
11:55 AM on 12/07/2010
Only the legislation to "guarantee Net Neutrality" would give the power to do so to the government. So the government would have authority over the internet where they did not before. Do we think that it will be limited to only what we would like that authority to be limited to? If so then you should look at history. Everything is introduced as only being minor. The first income taxes were 2 or 3 percent and only on the very wealthy and only for a temporary purpose.

What is everyone really afraid will happen without "net neutrality"? That some websites will pay to have more data routed faster than others? Why is this bad? Wouldn't it make sense to have data intensive sites pay more to handle the volume of the data? Shouldn't we wait to see how it pans out before making irrational assumptions and demanding that government step in? Especially since government could step in at anytime.
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rockyrococoAZ
Arizona Eagletarian
02:49 PM on 12/07/2010
The concern is, and I believe rightfully so, that much like the corporatist slant obvious today in mainstream news reporting, obstacles to free and open (and populist) exchange of ideas over what is now an essentially free and open medium, will take place. I believe it will happen quickly after corporate exploiters see even the slightest opportunity to do so.
03:08 PM on 12/07/2010
Those concerns ignore the fact that the most important person in the equation is the consumer. Extra bandwidth is worthless without demand for some kind of content and consumers who are willing to pay more for that content.

The concern about giving control to government is that even if you trust politicians in office today that somewhere down the line somebody comes into power who will use that control to silence their opposition. That to me would be the much bigger threat. Corporations want to make money sure. That has always been the case. We know how to guard against that though. We don't have to pay $100 for a hamburger even though McDonalds or Burger King would love for us to. Why is that? Competition. So what we really need government to do is to insure that there is competition in the market for internet service providers.
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ronkw
Wake up and smell the whiskey
05:48 PM on 12/07/2010
Well done Austin G.
I share your skeptism and fear of BigBro properly managing, ahh, anything. (esp. 1st Admendment)

They do not have historicial precedent working for their argument.
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FilthyHarry
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07:56 AM on 12/07/2010
Its not bipartisan. Republicans won't like losing an opportunity for big business to make money at our expense, and conservatives will incoherently and incorrectly not support the guv'mint interfering, because Beck will convince each tea-partier that its the government's (and Soros') fault that they're still unemployed instead of running a media conglomerate.
12:00 PM on 12/07/2010
Whose expense? If a company pays money to get more bandwith to get data to their customers there has to be a reason for it right? They want to get content to consumers. Why wouldn't it be a good thing for them to be able to do that? Do we demand that all movie and tv producers spend the same amount on each movie/show? Do we demand that all automobiles have the same horsepower under the hood? Why prevent some businesses from getting more bandwith to provide content to consumers who will want it? Bandwith isn't unlimited afterall.
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FilthyHarry
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07:49 PM on 12/07/2010
Its at the consumer's expense because many people live in a market with only one ISP provider, so if their ISP, for example decides to throttle or block HULU because the ISP has a financial stake in a competing video delivery company then its definitely at the consumer's expense.

We're the consumer.
11:20 PM on 12/07/2010
"Do we demand that all automobile­s have the same horsepower under the hood?"

No, but we do demand (with the rare exception of toll roads) that our system of highways be equally accessible to everyone, regardless of who they are, what they drive, or how much money they have.
I think the issue here is less about preventing businesses from getting more bandwidth than it is about companies restricting bandwidth from those who won't pay a premium price. And where would that leave, say, a very creative person with little money?
To those of us who are for government-mandated net neutrality, that creative person with little money is what this issue is all about. We're afraid that "pay to play" scenario will create an internet where only big money players (read: corporations) are seen and heard.
Those who respond "Tough, because that's the way the cookie crumbles in the free (i.e. 'unregulated') market" have a very hardened view of fairness and the role of the individual in our society.
05:43 PM on 12/06/2010
So, the government will have more control over internet content, and that will make the internet more "free and open"? Now I've officially heard it all.
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thereisonlyoneparty
more amazing than you
07:01 PM on 12/06/2010
Because this is a situation where the control over the internet is good for some reason .  You know, because the system that has been used where network operators have managed the data has been such a failure.  I mean now it can take milliseconds for data to be processed and directed from my ISP to my house.  And they could institute tolls on the data, just like they have on roads!

Save us the government!  Give more power to an organization that represents moral interests over practical ones!
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Redlion62
Cable, Telephony, HSI Specialist
09:58 PM on 12/06/2010
By moral interests do you mean religious? If so that is the problem right there. So many conglomerate corporations are controlled by the religious right and they have used their influence to direct policy towards giving corporations more rights than an individual. These same religious people are the ones that would put tolls on web sites they didn't like based on their content. They are driven by profit.
08:00 PM on 12/06/2010
Hey Chris, If you want to talk more about it, you can email me at contact [at] theosdf.or­g.
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BlueBulletBill
Conservitarian
05:39 PM on 12/06/2010
Here's your chance to make the case to a skeptic - explain to me how Net Neutrality will not be a government takeover. I like facts, not rhetoric.

I'll be waiting...
08:28 PM on 12/06/2010
I tried to comment, but it seems to have disappeared. This is from Tim Karr, campaign manager at Free Press:

"Net Neutrality rules don't give government extraordinary powers to police Internet content. They just prevent ISPs from breaking the Internet's openness and meddling with our ability to connect with everyone else online."

You can read Tim's more extensive Q&A right here: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/eh68t/ask_me_about_net_neutrality/

Also, if you want to talk more, feel free to email me at contact [at] theosdf.or­­g.
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FilthyHarry
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08:08 AM on 12/07/2010
Net Neutrality is a proposal to preserve the way the Net is currently working. Ok? Thats the important part that because of propaganda a lot of people don't realize. Net Neutrality is what we have now. The proposal is merely to take what we have now and make it so private companies can't set up tolls.

So, the way it is now, lets say your internet provider is Comcast. Now lets say someone doesn't like Comcast and puts up comcastsucks.com website. The way things are now with the Net Neutrality we have and what the new rules would preserve, Comcast can't block access to your site. Without Net Neutrality, Comcast could simply block its customers access to that site.

Lets say TimeWarner is your ISP. And the entertainment arm of TimeWarner sets up their own fee based video website like Hulu. And you are a big Hulu and streaming Netflix fan. Well, now with the Net Neutrality we have and would like to preserve, which ever service you like you will have delivered to your PC at the top speed you get normally. If we lose Net Neutrality, TimeWarner would be free to either cause Hulu or NetFlix data to stream much more slowly making it unusuable for you or they could just block it all together.

Again the the key thing to remember: Net Neutrality is what we ALREADY HAVE. The proposed rule by the FCC would merely ensure it stays that way.
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FilthyHarry
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08:36 AM on 12/07/2010
P.S. If you think the free market will give consumers options to choose an ISP that doesn't restrict their access, 2 things:

1. All providers will do this. There will be no choice.
2. More importantly and one of the reasons for the crucial need for this, many many consumers only have 1 choice for ISP provider in their areas.
04:43 PM on 12/08/2010
If Net Neutrality is what we already have why do we need the FCC to insure that it stays this way? The internet is still relatively young as a business tool. We have new devices that come into play all the time that use it. Shouldn't we allow the people who are innovating to continue to do so and not simply speculate that it will all come crumbling down from something that hasn't even taken place yet? Why let the government get a foot in the door over something that nobody can say is anything more than a perceived threat. A perceived threat that most people don't even really share. Some people already get data faster than others. My grandmother has a dial up modem still. Speed and access is a marketing tool. If it wasn't most people wouldn't know what 3G and 4G meant.