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Killing the Church by Denigrating the Immediacy of God

Posted: 09/30/11 02:16 PM ET

We are smothering God. And our church. We're engaged in an unholy combination of implicit theocide and communal suicide.

That is the conclusion I have reached in trying to understand the long, anguished, painful decline of mainline Christian denominations. I look around and realize that I can't find among them a robust depiction of God's immediacy in the world. It's as though we offer only a view of an antique God of yore, rolled out and displayed like a museum piece on Sunday mornings, not a Mover and Shaker of today's reality. When only the hate-filled pronouncements of "Christian" imposters like Pat Robertson or Fred Phelps presume to represent God's current temperament, it makes me understand why the younger generations have not repopulated our denominations.

On balance, mainline denominations appear to be unwittingly denigrating the contemporary, immediate presence of God--and it's proving lethal. The denigration takes three primary forms: disdaining contemporary epiphanies, misrepresenting myths and facts, and implying a half-baked resurrection.

As for contemporary epiphanies, we seem not to take them seriously. Our preaching consistently mines the Hebrew Scriptures and the New Testament to the exclusion of contemporary epiphanies well articulated by today's Christians. We treat Scripture as though its authors had a greater capacity to perceive God's activity in the world than we do in 2011.

But with the possible exception of those who personally experienced the companionship of Jesus before his crucifixion, no other author of works considered "Scripture" enjoys any empirical relationship with God that is qualitatively different from that which is possible for any of us today. Do they?

The corollary implication of our reticence to discern and declare God's contemporary action is that back in those days God was either more active in the world than now, or was more adept at making divine will understood. Can that be true?

But we somehow feel obligated to spend time explaining away Scripture texts that propound notions that have long-since become moot (e.g., dietary laws that protected desert tribes lacking refrigeration) or are truly repugnant (e.g., Paul's views of women and slaves) at the expense of preaching vivid depictions of God's will in action today. Can anyone doubt that God's will is better expressed in The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s, "I have a dream" speech than in any of scores of pages of irrelevancies still regarded as Scripture simply because they were written during some presumed Golden Age of revelation and were bound into a Bible?

We compound our denigration of God with a persistent misrepresentation of both myths and facts. During the twice yearly surge of participation in worship at Christmas and Easter, worshippers listen in vain during these sermons and rituals and reenactments--in even the most theologically enlightened congregations--for any tiny hint that such notions as Jesus' being born to a virgin are totally mythological, meant to signify his specialness and not to suggest that God somehow re-jiggered the processes of human reproduction for a few minutes in eternity just to make a point. And so both the faithful and the would-be seekers are left to feign belief, or to mentally cross their fingers, or to conclude that these people putting on this affair are not on the same wavelength that they are.

The tragedy is that myths can be such profound bearers of truth. Young people and old people alike willingly suspend disbelief in order to be moved to tears by a love story or to get an adrenaline rush from a thriller. These things touch us. But if the producer of that love story or that thriller suggested that we had to take everything as fact, to believe this tale as if it were non-fiction, all that power would simply evaporate as the audience's respect was sadly but resolutely withdrawn.

Beyond misrepresenting myths as facts, our misrepresentation of actual facts makes the situation even worse for these new generations well taught to be critical thinkers. Preachers who know better routinely harken back to the Israelites' escape from Egypt by crossing the "Red Sea". Never mind the fact that the term "Red Sea" never appears in the original languages of the Bible. But the term "Sea of Reeds" (yam suph) does appear repeatedly and offers a perfectly cogent depiction of how the fleeing Israelites might have slogged on foot through the reed-infested wetlands between Egypt and Sinai which would then function as a quicksand-like moat to slow and swallow the heavy horse-drawn chariots of their pursuers. Still a great story, but it doesn't require accepting Cecil B. deMille's indelible vision of Charlton Heston and companions marching into a deep canyon riven through quivering walls of water as an historically accurate demonstration of how God once again suspended the laws of physics to favor certain friends.

What's up with us, anyhow? Do we underestimate people's curiosity or intelligence? These are the same thoughtful adults who turn to the internet hundreds of millions of times a year to do medical research on their symptoms and conditions so they can be on equal (and oftentimes superior) footing when consulting with their doctor. But back in the sanctuary, once again they are implicitly being told by the church that they must embrace ancient fable as fact, leaving them little choice but to either play dumb or throw out the Christmas baby along with his bath of charming but fanciful trappings.

Finally, we unwittingly depict Jesus' resurrection as ineffectual. How else to explain all the talk about Jesus' presumed return in the future. Just listen to the verb tenses that are used in preachers' sermons and prayers--they are all about "Jesus will come again" rather than "Jesus does come again." Well, if he will come again, that means only one thing--he ain't here now. Or, at least, not enough.

And so by futurizing Jesus' definitive presence, once again we find a way to declare the present to be impoverished and impotent, devoid of qualitatively supreme engagement between creature and Creator. Thanks anyway, say the seekers, I think I'll just keep looking.

So here is what I propose: let's recover the spirit of the Oral Tradition. Until about 1,000 BCE the stories of God's holy presence and action in this world were not written down and ossified, they were only spoken person to person. They were alive. Each re-teller of the stories "spun" the stories to reflect both the teller's own experience of God and the listener's best means of comprehending it. Most importantly, when some stories lost their relevance or were superseded by superior understanding of God's will, people stopped passing them along. They mercifully disappeared. And when new perceptions of God were grasped, those new stories joined the caravan of revelation. People preached them, too.

So, enough already with shying away from full engagement with God right here, right now. Let's dare to believe that God still speaks today, and that we have it in us to hear and declare God's word afresh.

Bring it on.

 
 
 
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08:10 PM on 10/04/2011
Eliot,
As usual you have stirred the pot, which means somehow the holy spirit is alive and well. As I read this wonderful string I'm reminded of some faithful person who way long ago said "Lord, I believe. Help my unbelief"
GHarry
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08:53 AM on 10/04/2011
There is not a shred of evidence that any god exists. Nor any other supernatural beings. Yet people who believe in religion speak seriously as if these beings played a big role in our lives. It's very bizarre and very sad.
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Eliot Daley
12:23 PM on 10/04/2011
The only evidence that needs to exist is people's experience. You have it or you don't. If you don't, that's not evidence that others are not experiencing it. Some people are attuned to music and are moved by it. Some are not. To those who don't "get" music, those who do and who love it may seem odd, but that doesn't make them (or those who "get" God) either bizarre or sad or pathological.

By the way, the whole notion of "believing in" religion is foreign to me. This is not about assenting to propositions (e.g., "I believe that the sun rises in the east, and that 2 + 2 = 4"). This is about knowing.
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Eliot Daley
12:27 PM on 10/04/2011
An afterthought: you are confident that no "supernatural" beings exist. I would think that in order to make such a comment you would have to be quite certain that you possessed absolutely comprehensive knowledge of what is "natural". I doubt you do, or that any other human being actually does. A little humility on that subject can open us up to new wonders daily...
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HeevenSteven
20 Minutes into the future.
08:40 AM on 10/19/2011
If god was actually a bearded avuncular character sitting on a cloud throwing lightning bolts, he would be natural. The beings that are going to stay hidden for the rest of human existence--because humans make them that way--are supernatural.
10:42 PM on 10/03/2011
Mr Daley is a perfect example of why the mainline denominations are falling apart. He is out of touch with the contemporary needs and out of touch with what people actually need - a simple faith. While sentences like this, "The corollary implication of our reticence to discern and declare God's contemporary action..." may impress those who lead the failing congregations, the real world says, "STOP trying to impress yourself." The denominations will continue to fall as long as out of touch leaders like Mr. Daley are in the driver's seat. Accept the truth, Mr. Daley. You are the reason the denomination is dead while the evangelical movement that offers life and a simple faith is exploding.
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Eliot Daley
09:42 AM on 10/04/2011
Funny thing is I am quite in favor of a simple faith, which is why I suggest that we pay a bit more attention to the simple fact that God is active in our lives today and that we don't need to borrow the experiences of long-dead ancestors whose own experience of God was not and can not be our own. Savor and revel in the holiness that is all around and in us right now. Do what you can to bring the grace-filled kingdom of God to fruition in the lives of those around you. Pretty simple.

On the other hand, I am somewhat allergic to simple-minded faith, by which I mean a faith that can't be bothered to think for itself, is willfully ignorant of the origins and nature of what we call Scripture, is suspicious of others' ways of relating to God, and is all too willing to follow an enthusiastic herd led by a charming pulpit prince or princess. Never seems to work out too well in the long run.
05:48 PM on 10/03/2011
Ha Ha! What a great idea! What could go wrong? This Christian pastor suggests throwing out the Bible and just "share" what's in our heart! Why didn't we think of this before????
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Eliot Daley
06:30 PM on 10/03/2011
Actually, "we" (in the form of our ancestors) DID think of this before. They shared first orally and then in writing their perceptions of God. At a particular point in history, some folks gathered some of those writings (the ones that seemed to make sense at that moment in history) and bound them together. Closing the canon was pretty arbitrary. Seems a shame to have put a stop to that kind of perceiving and sharing.
05:40 PM on 10/03/2011
"Denigrating the Immediacy of God " could not have happened in the first place unless the 'message' itself was in error. The Theodicy question remains unanswered. Any expectations of the Incarnation are dead in the water. Atheism is on the rise because tradition has nothing to offer, contrary to the scriptural record, to demonstrate the reality and value of God in the real world. Theology only exists because nothing has been revealed and to try and pretend otherwise is waring so thin, that for thinking people like myself, such claims are transparently empty of all value. God remains an idea full of potential and promise but yet to be understood, especially by those traditions who claim to speak in His name. All is chasing after wind! http://soulgineering.com/2011/05/22/the-final-freedoms/
11:15 AM on 10/03/2011
The Old Testament deity’s “immediacy” turned out to be lethal even for the biblical Israelities.

True, He made a covenant with Abraham to champion Israel but then allowed the Assyrians to partition Judea, the Jews to be taken into Egyptian then Babylonian captivity, looked the other way during the Greek, Seleucid and Roman occupations, saw to it that Christianity blamed the Jews for killing Jesus (something they’ve been paying for ever since) and allowed the Diaspora under Hadrian before fleeing to the higher heavens, leaving priests in his wake to supply the “immediacy”.

Give me a non-personal deity anytime or better yet, I’ll stick to atheism.
05:05 PM on 10/02/2011
I could be said that many misguided Jews, Christians and Muslims denigrate the immediacy of God, because they cling to ancient and outdated ideas and concepts and believe that theirs are superior and more "right" than others.

That is not only a denigration of what God really is, it is a denial of what God really is, and it it ignorance of God's omnipresent reality.

The fulfillment of all religious prophecy will mean that the proud, militant, offensive people who now cause so much conflict and division will be exposed and rebuked by the true servant-messenger of God, and that will enable the humble, gentle, kind, peaceful majority of people in the world to inherit the earth and establish truly representative governments.

A portal to the message of that servant is at http://cjcmp.org
05:23 PM on 10/02/2011
I would be grateful for your thoughts regarding http://blogspotthinker.blogspot.com/2011/09/logic-and-reason-supporting-bible.html.

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01:21 AM on 10/03/2011
What "religious prophecy" are you referring to exactly?
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04:59 PM on 10/02/2011
Daley says, "enough already with shying away from full engagement with God right here, right now. Let's dare to believe that God still speaks today, and that we have it in us to hear and declare God's word afresh."

Well Eliot I have another idea. How about daring to accept the world for what it is, rather than indulging in the childish pretense that there is some almighty Big Daddy Up Above who created the universe just for us, and is ever so interested in helping us out, and spends all his time listening to our prayers and deciding which of us to help?

"Enough already" is quite right.
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12:44 PM on 10/04/2011
Your description of the "childish pretense" (Big Daddy, arbitrary benefactor) is so far from any experience or understanding of God in my life that there's just nowhere to go with it. But if that is your understanding of God, I can see why you'd have so little use for the whole idea.
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01:45 PM on 10/04/2011
In your own words in your essay, you claim that God still speaks, and we might hear his word - and presumably his word would be meaningful in some way. That sort of God is what I call a Big Daddy, because you're not talking about a human being, you're talking a Big Wise Being Who Isn't Merely Someone's Real Human Daddy. So I don't see how I have departed from your understanding of God as expressed in your own words, except for calling him Big Daddy instead of God.
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04:25 PM on 10/02/2011
Daley says, "worshippers listen in vain during these sermons and rituals and reenactments... for any tiny hint that such notions as Jesus' being born to a virgin are totally mythological, meant to signify his specialness and not to suggest that God somehow re-jiggered the processes of human reproduction for a few minutes in eternity just to make a point."

But the declaration that Jesus was "was born of the Virgin Mary" is included in both the Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed, making it one of the the fundamental tenets of the Christian religion. So, yes, the worshippers probably are listening in vain, if they are hoping (as evidently Daley hopes) to hear a pastor renounce part of the very creed that pastors ask their congregations to recite in unison, in almost every service!

And what could be more absurdly or more blatantly false than to suggest that this tenet was not meant by the creed writers to be taken literally, but was merely a way of indicating Jesus' "specialness" - as if being the Son of God and part of the Divine Trinity still might leave some doubt as to just how special Jesus was?

Daley complains that "We compound our denigration of God with a persistent misrepresentation of both myths and facts."

But in trying to pretend that earlier Christians, such as the Creed writers, didn't intend the very tenets of Christianity to be taken literally, Daley is the one who is misrepresenting facts.
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04:37 PM on 10/03/2011
Since the Middle Kingdom of ancient Egypt there had been a teaching that virginal daughters were speical in the sight of primary gods. New Kingdom Queen Hatshepsut underscored this teaching with her story of divine birth predicting her right to rule. Successive New Kingdom Kings followed it to the point that Ramesses II made his virginal daughter a head priestess of Amun. In the Late Kingdom era, this special priestess was always the virginal daughter of the Pharaoh and actually came to hold the power of rule in Upper Egypt. The office ceased during the Persian occupation of Egypt in the 525BC.

With the constant wars and changes between 525BC and the birth of Christ there is no reason to believe that the memories of over 2,000 years of esteemed virgianal rule would have died from longing for peace. That the Creed writers unscored the importance of virginal birth indicates the need for a powerful virgin glorifing God was still a longed for hope, met by Mary and her son, Christ.

We can aleast acknowledge the real historical realities of the power of ancient beliefs in virginal adoration and submission to God. That history provides for those interested in the subject.
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06:40 PM on 10/03/2011
Very interesting - but let's face it, five hundred years is a long time, and I'm not quite convinced that the Creed writers were ultimately drawing from Egypt. It seems like the idea of virgin birth is a pretty obvious way of avoiding paternity arguments when claiming someone to be the Son of God. But you might be right.
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09:50 AM on 10/04/2011
I guess we have here one of those agree-to-disagree moments. You believe we should take every word of the Bible "literally" (i.e., believe that the writers thought they were writing facts rather than truths), while both my studies and my faith persuade me otherwise. I'm wondering if your insistence on taking the creeds and the scriptures literally has led in any way to your wanting to break the news to us that there is no God. If I had to believe as fact every word of the Bible, I would have no choice other than to reject it (and, I suppose, the deity it celebrates), too.
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02:01 PM on 10/04/2011
You seem to be trying to change the subject, since I never mentioned the Bible in my comment, which had nothing to do with the Bible. So, let me put my comment in the form of some questions:

Why did you pretend, in your essay, that it could possibly be reasonable to hope that a Christian pastor would ever dare to renounce one of the fundamental tenets of Christianity - the idea that Jesus was born of a virgin - in the course of leading a church service?

And how could you pretend that the Nicene Creed doesn't really mean what it plainly says, and plainly means, without "misrepresenting the facts" - as you complain that others do?
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02:49 PM on 10/02/2011
An excellent article defining how man controls god and not the other way around.
04:16 PM on 10/02/2011
I humbly and respectfully submit the apparently reasonable edit that humanity might be reasonably considered to be allow humanity to control’s humanity’s conception of God and how even the Bible appears reasonably considered to suggest that God warns against such misdirection of allegiance and yet will allow it.

I welcome your thoughts.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
07:37 AM on 10/03/2011
Sounds like you need to go first with that. I welcome a post-thought version of this post.
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04:38 PM on 10/03/2011
God was in all likelihood an interstellar traveler.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
03:40 AM on 10/02/2011
Make up some newer stories to emphasize the relevance of the fairytale community.
It might be a good business model.
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10:10 PM on 10/01/2011
What speaks to us is our human conscience forged over millions of years of social living in primate troops and refracted by our neocortex into a rarefied set of moral beliefs to regulate our interpersonal relations and our interactions with our surroundings. This is a truly wondrous story that needs no divine intervention to be worthy of awe and the suspension of disbelief that transcendence is a purely natural phenomenon.
03:57 PM on 10/03/2011
Actually if God is man-made (and I'm sure, as atheists, we agree he was) then God is certainly part of the "wondrous story". After all a belief in God, however much we may disagree with it now, was the means by which thousands of generations expressed their consciences and moral beliefs.

The fact that we created God, and not the other way around, shouldn't mean that we completely dismiss of thousands of years of spiritual wisdom, insight and tradition. As reasonable people we need to see belief in God as having been a natural step in human moral evolution and, at the very least, respect it for that.
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04:31 PM on 10/03/2011
Agreed. No problem with your comment. Its complementary.
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05:21 PM on 10/01/2011
Well done:)
Our churches do need to meet and reconsider issues. Only please remember that it was only in 1996. We knew God wasn’t returning to set up his earthly kingdom as promised by the 1650 chronology of Archbishop James Ussher. No matter how convincingly Hal Lindsay wrote agreeing, that it was going to happen in the latter half of the 20th century.
I can’t help think, that this fact alone isn’t given the consideration it should in Anglo-Protestant churches. It’s only 15 years ago and I believe the shock that HE DIDN’T Come Back is only now receding. Causing enlighten leaders such as yourself to recognize that what the churches have, had been teaching can no longer be validated as true. That there is much wrong with traditional ‘sermonizing’. Sometimes, I question how many preachers actually write new sermons. Wondering if instead they go mining sermons published in 1820 or 1760 updating the English, and giving it that Sunday.

If our churches continue as they have, God might speak again to them along the lines of Rev. 1
09:21 PM on 10/01/2011
??? Jesus said no one would know the time. Why is anyone concerned about chronologies?
Ben Franklin, in his autobiography, stated he had no problem with his minister borrowing from a good sermon. He said it made more sense to hear a borrowed inspired sermon than a poor original one. I have to agree with him.
I can't imagine minister today mining sermons for the Age Of Enlightenment. Those sermons are too risky and are more-anti materialistic (and non-PC) than I think modern congregations want to hear.
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FE = Iron, and Female = Iron Male :)
09:41 AM on 10/02/2011
Yes, Jesus did say that before his death it was a wise statement for a living being to make at about 33AD. I believe he was talking to his followers not the descendants of gentiles some 2,000 thousand years later. When in 70AD. the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, the Temple and took hundreds of thousands as slaves to Rome. I believe this- people living in 33AD. more likely living in 70AD. than in 2011AD. this was End Time, my Lord was talking about. The end of the Temple based Judaism.

I agree with Ben as well. Few modern congregations are made up of as tolerant folks like Ben. Most are made up of folks deeming good pay for good work and effort. Mining old sermons and updating them is not what they would consider good work or effort.

Sermons haven’t change since 1650 their jest is the same. My comment was in part a joke at the same old, same old even as 1996 has come and gone! It is killing our churches! Surely the comfort of the same old isn't as important as learning about the ways of our Lord, who still hasn't returned. Can we suggest theological misunderstanding?

Why be concerned about chronology? It is one of the oldest and simplest ways to keep track of blocks of time.

Thank you for your comments, and have a nice day.
11:50 AM on 10/03/2011
Quote: "Jesus said no one would know the time."

Yet elsewhere,Jesus said the events preceding the Parousia were to come in rapid succession (Matthew 24:9) ‘immediately after the tribulation…’ (Matthew 24:3)… when ye shall see all these things know that it is near, even at the doors’), and they were all to happen while the current generation was alive (‘Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass, till _all_ these things be fulfilled’).

Too bad he was wrong: that generation passed without seeing the prophecy’s fulfillment. For example, the stars didn’t fall out of the sky while his listeners were still living. And they haven’t fallen out yet, 2000 years later.
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Micro-bios? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios!
12:36 PM on 10/03/2011
Well, don't feel too bad, young fella. There was no alien spacecraft behind the Hale-Bopp comet either...
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04:56 PM on 10/01/2011
Who is God without a book?
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07:52 PM on 10/01/2011
Same thing it is WITH one....nothing.
09:45 PM on 10/01/2011
I'm not so sure. Some people sure think they are somebody once they get a blog. :)
Books of wisdom are necessary for the free transmission of knowledge. Think religion is an oligarchy now? Try it with a secret, unwritten code only passed on from memory by an elite, like the Druids. Books and reading popularize knowledge.
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12:24 AM on 10/02/2011
Nothing? Are you absolutely sure?
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03:46 PM on 10/01/2011
Good points but an overly sweeping endictment. The struggle between traditionalists & reformers, dogmatists & progressives, has been going on for most of the history of the Christian church. It's one of the reasons why the Christian theological tradition is so diverse & dynamic. From the perspective of someone who's lived in a number of cities, I've never had any great difficulty in finding a church that embraced both faith and reason.