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Elizabeth B. Wydra

Elizabeth B. Wydra

Posted: December 7, 2010 05:10 PM

A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit heard oral argument Monday in Perry v. Schwarzenegger, the challenge brought by gay and lesbian couples to Proposition 8, the California ballot initiative that amended the state's constitution to limit marriage to opposite-sex couples only. After a marathon argument that went on for more than two hours, at least one thing seems clear: Prop. 8 will likely not survive its journey through the federal courts in California.

The big question after Monday's argument is how broad or narrow the appeals court's eventual ruling will be. Will the judges decide that it is unconstitutional for state voters to take away same-sex couples' rights to marry in a state where gay men and lesbians previously enjoyed the right to marry the person of their own choosing? Will the judges go further, and rule that the U.S. Constitution protects a fundamental right to marry the person of one's choice, which applies equally to gays, lesbians, and heterosexuals, and thus that every state in the Nation must afford all of its citizens the equal right to marry? Or will the judges never even reach the merits of the case, deciding instead that the official backers of Prop. 8 do not have the legal authority to appeal the lower court ruling that struck the law down?

The Question of "Standing": Who Can Defend Prop. 8 in Court?

The Ninth Circuit judges on the Perry panel--Judge Stephen Reinhardt, Senior Judge Michael Daly Hawkins, and Judge N. Randy Smith--all seemed very concerned about the issue of whether or not the backers of Prop. 8 had legal standing to defend it in court. The court allotted a remarkable two hours of argument time for Perry, and the entire first hour was devoted to the standing question. This issue is very important: If the Ninth Circuit finds that the Prop. 8 proponents have no standing to appeal the lower court's ruling striking down the ban on marriage for same-sex couples, it may not ever get to the actual question of whether such a ban is constitutional.

The standing requirements for federal courts are drawn from Article III of the Constitution, which speaks of the judicial power to hear "cases" and "controversies" and has been interpreted by the Supreme Court to require that every party to a dispute must show that they would be affected in some concrete way by the law or by the court's decision. The Supreme Court has long held that simply disagreeing with a law isn't sufficient injury to confer standing.

Usually, state laws that are challenged in court are defended by the state's Attorney General or Governor. The question in Perry is what happens when the Attorney General and other top state officials refuse to defend a voter-passed ballot measure--can the individuals who funded and worked for passage of the proposition then step in?

After the legal dream team of Ted Olson and David Boies, who represented Bush and Gore respectively in the Supreme Court case that determined the contested election of 2000, filed their lawsuit on behalf of several gay and lesbian couples seeking to overturn Prop. 8, both Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General (and now governor-elect) Jerry Brown declined to defend the ban on same-sex marriage.

We know at least two of the panel's judges would probably like to find that the backers of Prop. 8 have standing to appeal. Judge Reinhardt, the presiding judge of yesterday's panel, and Judge Hawkins ruled in another ballot measure case (involving an initiative that made English the "official" language of Arizona), that the measure's sponsors had standing to appeal a lower court ruling striking down the measure when the state declined to defend the measure's constitutionality. But, as Judge Hawkins pointed out Monday during argument, they were apparently on the "wrong side": the Supreme Court, in a unanimous 1997 ruling written by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, expressed "grave doubts" that such standing existed. (The Court vacated the Ninth Circuit's ruling on other grounds.)

Despite these Supreme Court musings, Judge Smith, a relatively recent George W. Bush appointee, seemed to agree with his more liberal colleagues' inclinations on standing. Yesterday he asked whether Governor Schwarzenegger and AG Brown were able to effectively nullify the efforts of the Prop. 8 supporters and the will of the majority of California voters who approved the measure by not appealing the District Court's ruling striking down the law. After all, the initiative process was designed to empower the people to make laws when state officials refused. As UCLA Law Professor Adam Winkler has observed, the very purpose of direct democracy could be undermined if state officials could simply ignore the voters' will and no one would be able to defend the law in court.

But there could be a way out for the panel. One idea that Judge Reinhardt seemed keen on yesterday was the possibility of certifying the question to the California Supreme Court, asking them to clarify whether proponents of a ballot initiative have standing to defend it in court under California law. This isn't merely passing the buck on hard questions; federal courts can certify questions to state supreme courts when a federal case involves questions of important, unresolved issues of state law that are necessary to resolve the federal matter. The state supreme court will send back an answer to the federal court, resolving the state law question, and the federal matter will continue accordingly.

Is Prop. 8 Constitutional?

When the Ninth Circuit finally reached the second hour of Monday's arguments and turned to the actual question of Prop. 8's constitutionality, marriage equality seemed to fare very well. Prop. 8, not so much.

To start with, Chuck Cooper, the highly skilled lawyer representing Prop. 8's supporters, had a difficult time articulating the reasons for Prop. 8's ban on marriage for same-sex couples. Cooper tried the "for the sake of the children" route, arguing that the State has an interest in encouraging heterosexual marriage so that children will be born into two-parent homes. Judge Reinhardt pointed out that Cooper's argument might be a good argument for outlawing divorce, but doesn't appear to have any bearing on whether gay and lesbian couples should also be able to get married.

Judge Smith didn't see why all of this even matters to Prop. 8 supporters: California gives gay and lesbian couples the same state law rights as "married" couples, so what would really happen if the court decides that the word "marriage" applies to same-sex couples, given that they have all the state law rights of marriage, just not the title? Even under the lowest level of scrutiny a court will give a potentially discriminatory law, the reasons for its enactment must still be rational. Giving gay men and lesbians the rights of marriage, but purposefully excluding them from the title of "marriage" for no good reason seems to be based on little more than the bare desire to exclude.

Cooper then pressed the idea that the will of the people of California must be respected and that they can have their exclusionary, arguably pointless, definition of marriage if they want so long as a majority votes for it. But the judges yesterday would seemingly have none of that, and rightly so. As Judge Hawkins got Cooper to concede, the people of California could not vote to reinstate school segregation. The Constitution stands for the proposition that some rights aren't put to a vote. Equality before the law is one of those rights.

As Ted Olson pointed out in his eloquent and stunningly effective presentation to the court--seriously, Olson's argument was so fantastic he was allowed to speak for significant periods of time without interruption by the judges--the Constitution's 14th Amendment protects the fundamental right to marry the person of one's own choosing regardless of whether one is a man or woman, white or black, gay or straight. Cooper conceded that this right to marry may not be denied on the basis of race, but drew the line there.

However, as argued in the amicus brief of the Constitutional Accountability Center, the text of the 14th Amendment's guarantee of the "equal protection of the laws" and "due process" for all "persons" is sweeping and universal. In fact, the drafters of the Amendment considered and rejected a proposal that would have made the 14th Amendment's guarantee of equality specifically targeted at racial discrimination. They intentionally crafted a broader constitutional guarantee of equal rights under the law.

While the framers of the 14th Amendment were looking for a broad answer to discrimination, it seems Judge Reinhardt was looking Monday for a narrow one. He repeatedly asked Olson whether the court could simply decide that taking away the right to the title of marriage from same-sex couples in California, which they enjoyed for a short window of time before Prop. 8 was passed, is unconstitutional. Olson agreed that they could by simply applying the Supreme Court's decision in Romer v. Evans, a 1996 case in which the Court found in favor of gay Coloradans who challenged an amendment to the state's constitution that prohibited any level of government from enacting anti-discrimination measures that protected gay men, lesbians, and bisexuals.

By applying Romer, the Ninth Circuit could issue a somewhat narrow ruling saying that taking away rights from gay men and lesbians--kind of Lucy-with-the-football style--is clearly unconstitutional, without ruling more broadly that the Constitution protects the fundamental right of marriage across the board--i.e., that Charlie Brown has an affirmative right to kick the football. But Olson also refused to give up the point that the Constitution also protects the right to marry in and of itself, even if the Ninth Circuit could take the narrow way out. Marriage discrimination cannot be justified under any standard of constitutional analysis. This is a powerful point, and not just because it was eloquently made by Ted Olson, George W. Bush's Solicitor General and one of the most famous conservative lawyers in the country.

What's Next for Prop. 8 and Marriage Equality?

The supporters and opponents of Prop. 8 must now wait for action from the Ninth Circuit. If the Ninth Circuit decides to certify the question of whether the backers of Prop. 8 have standing to defend the law to the California Supreme Court, we could see something in the next few weeks or even days. But if the Ninth Circuit panel decides to issue a ruling without asking the California Supreme Court to weigh in--even if it goes for the narrower route striking down Prop. 8--the ruling could take anywhere from three months to a year.

At that point, the losing side will decide whether to ask a broader panel of 11 judges from the Ninth Circuit to review the three-judge panel's ruling in an en banc proceeding. Either after an en banc proceeding or perhaps even just after the panel's decision, the losing side will undoubtedly appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court.

But for now, we'll just have to wait.

 
 
 
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Michael Valentine
Retired SEIU Member
01:47 PM on 12/09/2010
From your lips to God's ear.
11:07 PM on 12/08/2010
Procreation can't be claimed as the primary reason for marriage because:

1 - It is perfectly possible to procreate without marriage.
2 - When applying for a marriage license, no one is asked about their procreative intent. It is never mentioned.
3 - After marriage no one checks up to see if a couple has indeed had children.
4 - People who are unable to conceive because of age, physical condition or any other reason are not considered less than married in any sense of the law.
5 - People who choose to not have children are not considered less than married in any sense of the law.

There is one aspect of same-sex marriage rights which I believe has been overlooked, but which is illuminated by Prop. 8. Many people don't mind giving same-sex couples the same rights as heterosexual couples, but without the word "marriage". Why? Because then they would lose their bragging rights. They couldn't reassure themselves of their superiority by referencing their own marriages and the "legal equivalent" for same-sex couples. This is nothing less than using the law to stigmatize certain citizens. As the Supreme Court said in Brown vs. Topeka Board of Education in 1954, "separate but equal" is inherently unequal. Let's look forward to this case being appealed to the Supreme Court so we can see how Justice Scalia will worm his way around that one.
08:36 PM on 12/08/2010
If marriage is to be redefined, it must be the people who make this decision, not the federal judiciary
09:13 PM on 12/08/2010
No one is redefining marriage. Marriage is a legal contract between two unrelated, unmarried adults. You may wish it to be a religious covenant between one man and one woman, and if that is your belief structure then that is fine. However, you need to respect the fact that all taxpaying American citizens do not necessarily share that belief system, nor do we believe that it should dictate law in a secular society. Overturning Prop 8 will not redefine marriage, it will simply provide access to that particular contract by more people. Already in California there are an estimated 18,000 legal same sex marriages that were performed in 2008, as well as all the marriages conducted in other states and the District of Columbia, not to mention other countries. The federal courts were asked to determine if Prop 8 is constitutional; it was found that it is not because it does not provide equal treatment under the law.
10:56 PM on 12/08/2010
If the people were to redefine marriage as the union between a right-handed person and a left-handed person, should the federal judiciary find that acceptable under the Equal Rights Clause of the 14th Amendment?

The Q and A on Monday showed that Prop 8's definition is no more rational.
04:35 PM on 12/08/2010
Two things:

1.) "WILL THE JUDGES GO FURTHER, and rule that the U.S. Constitution protects a fundamental right to marry the person of one's choice, which applies equally to gays, lesbians, and heterosexuals, and thus that every state in the Nation must afford all of its citizens the equal right to marry?"

It's important for readers to understand that the 9th Circuit only has jurisdiction over Alaska, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington. They cannot enforce laws over "every state in the nation".

2.) "YESTERDAY HE ASKED whether Governor Schwarzenegger and AG Brown were able to effectively nullify the efforts of the Prop. 8 supporters and the will of the majority of California voters who approved the measure by not appealing the District Court's ruling striking down the law."

But how does one defend the indefensible? The reasons those gentlemen gave for not defending Prop H8 was because they felt it went against both the state and U.S. constitution, which they had taken oaths to uphold. It doesn't seem like it would work to force the State Attorney General, etc., into putting up a weak defense. I don't know what the technical remedy for this would be...but refusing to defend the Proposition appears to be the only thing anyone with a conscience could do.
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Democracy is the worst govt - except all others
01:42 PM on 12/08/2010
"Judge Smith didn't see why all of this even matters to Prop. 8 supporters: California gives gay and lesbian couples the same state law rights as "married" couples, so what would really happen if the court decides that the word "marriage" applies to same-sex couples, given that they have all the state law rights of marriage, just not the title?"

Brilliant. I never thought of that before. Supporters of Prop 8 are willing to allow gays to be in unions, adopt kids, have *all of the rights* of marriage, except for the word.

They aren't trying to protect kids. They are trying to stigmatize gay marriage. Period. End of Story.
10:51 PM on 12/10/2010
I have yet to see one proposition 8 supported lift a finger to protect one child
* bullied because he is suspected of being gay
* giving the child of a gay couple the security of having married parents.
Instead they give bigots pseudo-moral cover to make their lives miserable.
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01:17 PM on 12/08/2010
Fear and Loathing in the USA . . .

If DADT is repealed, and Prop 8 is determined unconstitutional, OMG! Gay men and lesbians might just become part of the normal fabric of society. This would undermine one of the keystones of the Religious Right, just proving that once again the "Liberal Agenda" is simply to destroy America.
12:44 PM on 12/08/2010
I just want to clarify: Brown and Schwarzenegger *did* defend prop 8. That's how the case got before Walker in the first place. Walker issued a decision and the 9th denied en-banc review.

When an attorney, particularly a state attorney, believes that an appeal has been correctly decided as a matter of law -- that Walker's decision correctly applies and states the law, for that state attorney to press the issue further does not serve the interests of the people.

Politically, it's a good decision. It forces to the forefront the central question of the gay marriage controversy: Who is harmed? Let the person who can show an actual injury from gays getting married take up the case. With no injury to straight marriages or children, there is no state interest in pursuing a ban on gay marriage. Until someone can show cognizable harm, there should be no further proceedings in the case.

I'm relatively sure that if the 9th can come up with a reasonable way to leave Prop 8 off the books, SCOTUS will deny any further review -- at least until a parallel issue comes up in another district.
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obtusegoose
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10:28 AM on 12/08/2010
I'm trying to remember Cooper's argument regarding barren couples and senior citizens. He said something like, "Even though this group of people can't procreate, the task of having the state screen out these people from marriage would be overwhelming. So that's why those people are allowed to get married." Have you even heard such a load of garbage? So the only reason that gay couples should be denied the right to marry is because they're easy to screen out? Someone should inform Mr. Cooper that it IS actually very easy to screen out senior citizens: No one older than 62 can get married. Done! So why don't states do that if procreation is the main reason for marriage?
01:23 PM on 12/08/2010
Plus, some same sex couples have children, whether by adoption or from prior relationships or some form of donation or surrogacy. The attorney for San Francisco eloquently pointed out that the law treats those parents and children the same as all others.

So there!
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
02:12 AM on 12/09/2010
Absolutely, and once one partner turn 62, compulsory divorce proceedings can be initiated. Rather like a driver's license, marriage licenses would simply expire. Note that CA issues driving licenses without regard to sexual orientation.
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Doug Watt
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11:59 PM on 12/07/2010
Thanks for the excellent analysis, Elizabeth.
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Jdaddy1951
09:42 PM on 12/07/2010
The breeder argument --- that marriage is for the procreation of the family --- doesn't hold water. Otherwise, why would elderly widows and widowers be allowed to marry? By the arguments of the haters behind Prop 8, everyone would have to take a fertility test before being allowed to marry.

These right=wing religious haters just don't think these things through.
11:19 PM on 12/07/2010
or women who have gone through menopause
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Jdaddy1951
01:41 AM on 12/08/2010
Or straight couples who just choose not to breed.
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morgansher
just disgusted in general
11:19 PM on 12/07/2010
Wasn't that the most repulsive line of rationalization? It was filthy.

There is no material reason for Prop 8 to go forward. It is patently bigoted in the exact same ways that the State of Virginia was with Loving and interracial marriage.

Now what I don't know about GLBT is significant given that I'm straight. But I do understand the emotion and the genetically driven inclination for people to bond with a diverse variety of partners. Whether straight or gay, when it's time to make a committment to another human being, it is a human thing to want to make that committment permanent and to have it honored and celebrated by our families and loved ones. It is a yearning of the soul. That soul thing is not deviant and it is not dependant on whether one is straight or gay. We all get to experience it when we fall in love. It just is. And that soul thing does not diminish us. It contributes to our betterment as people.

I think it's a cheat that GBLT couples who've been together 25, 40, 50, 60+ years don't have the legal recognitions that marriage imparts on the rest of us. It's a cheat and it's wrong.
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Jdaddy1951
01:45 AM on 12/08/2010
Thank you.

To quote the late Lillian Randolph, who played Annie in "It's a Wonderful Life" (1946):

"I've been savin' this money for a divorce in case I ever gets me a husband."

To quote the late Eartha Kitt in the 1950s song, "Somebody Bad Stole De Wedding Bell":

"Somebody Bad Stole De Wedding Bell\
"Somebody Bad Stole De Wedding Bell
"Somebody Bad Stole De Wedding Bell
"Now nobody can get married
"Who got de ding dong
"Who got de bell
"Who got de ding dong
"Who got de bell
"Somebody know
"But Nobody Tell
"'Cause Somebody Bad Stole De Wedding Bell"

The Prop 8 haters stole de wedding bell and we want it back!
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09:47 AM on 12/08/2010
WOW! Wonderful post!
06:15 PM on 12/07/2010
I'm not trained in the legal profession, but I don't see how Romer could be applied to so limit the decision. Romer dealth with a host of anti-discrimination issues, most of which I believe were not services afforded by the government. The 14th amendment applies to the government, correct? Not individual businesses or persons. Individuals are constitutionally free to discriminate, though many times laws prohibit this (laws are not as strong as constitutional protections, though).

Marriage, or rather the issuing of a marriage certificate and the associated rights, is a function of government. As such, the 14th amendment must apply, I think, since the marriage is considered by precedent an individual right.

I know that judges are afraid to make such a large and sweeping declaration as that gays are constitutionally allowed to marry, but their fear does not excuse bending the law or making illogical judgments just because it's better PR or politics.
06:22 PM on 12/09/2010
Romer applies because in it the Supreme Court made it clear that you cannot pass a law merely for the purpose of expressing disapproval (animus) toward a specific group. The Romer situation was particularly bad, because it was saying that nobody in Colorado could pass a law giving gay people protection from discrimination, but the point of the ruling is that the majority cannot single out the minority because they don't like them.

Romer may apply for the reasons mentioned above - the state already lets gay people form uniions, act as next of kin, give birth to, adopt and raise children, and all the other benefits and obligations of marriage. As the attorney for San Francisco pointed out, the ballot literature specifically stated that one of the reasons not to let gay people use the word marriage is that it would make school children think it is okay to be gay.

Essentially, Prop 8 materially harms same-sex couples purely for the purpose of making sure that straight people feel good about being straight. Even if sexual orientation were completely and inarguably a choice (like religion), it is simply not the state's business to take sides on personal issues like that.

Allowing same sex couple access to marriage equality doesn't change a thing about marriage for straight people. Not who can marry, not how they marry, and not what rights and obligations straight people get. Denying it ONLY serves to put same-sex couples in a lesser position.
06:18 PM on 12/10/2010
I think you misunderstood my point. I was saying, how could the decision be restricted to just California? I believe Romer applies in that Prop 8 is unconstitutional, but I don't understand how it could be only unconstitutional in california and not in every state.
06:22 PM on 12/09/2010
Passing a law so that citizens don't think other citizens are okay, or equally citizens is pretty much singling them out just because you don't like them, by definition. Could the majority pass a law that strips Jewish people of the status of marriage and calls them "Jewish Unions" just because the majority wants to reinforce how important Christianity is to them and that they want their kids not to think its okay to be Jewish, as long as they grant all the actual rights and privileges?

And the part that most people leave out of the discussion is that Civil Unions are not the same as marriage in another important way. If tomorrow, Congress repealed the Defense of Marriage Act, or the courts declare that it is unconstitutional, same sex couples in states like Massachusetts would immediately get all the federal benefits, because they are married. People in civil unions would not. And access to federal marriage benefits is one of the most important state-granted benefits of marriage.
06:02 PM on 12/07/2010
Thank you for clearing up a very confusing case. I watched the proceedings on Cspan but I did not understand what it emant as far as "next steps". thank you for writing such a simple to understand case review.
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Ioan Lightoller
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05:40 PM on 12/07/2010
I sure hope so! I've been waiting to see the day that marriage equality is law of the land, but this will sure help make life better while I wait to see what the SCOTUS will do with this for the whole country (that is if they don't rule DOMA unconstitutional befoe that time).
06:52 PM on 12/07/2010
DOMA has been appealed to the Supreme Court and still stands.
07:15 PM on 12/07/2010
It has? Which case? I know of three DOMA cases in the Federal Court system right now - none of them have made it to the Supreme Court yet.
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08:04 PM on 12/07/2010
No, it has not,