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'Friends'' Monica Geller Was A 'Slut' And A 'Trollop,' According To NBC's Former West Coast President

Posted: 05/02/2012 5:42 pm

This month's Vanity Fair includes an oral history of everyone's favorite ten-season sitcom, "Friends," an excerpt from former NBC president's upcoming book "Inside the Rise and Fall of Must See TV." And according to the piece, Monica Geller's sex life became something of an issue for the network -- specifically Don Ohlmeyer, NBC's West Coast president at the time.

Marta Kauffman, one of the show's co-creators, discusses testing out the 1994 pilot of "Friends" in front of an audience:

One subplot in the pilot has Monica going on a first date with "Paul the wine guy." She brings him home for the night after he confesses that he hasn't been able to sleep with anyone for two years, since his wife left him. The next day, Monica learns this was just a line.

MARTA KAUFFMAN: We were doing the network run-through with an audience, and Don said that when Monica slept with Paul the wine guy she got what she deserved -- that's how he rationalized it. Fire began to come out of my nose.
They handed out a questionnaire to the audience: Do you think Monica sleeping with wine guy makes her (a) a slut, (b) a whore, (c) a trollop. And even with the deck stacked that way, the audience didn't care [about the sex].

Slut, whore, trollop? Since these aren't words that I'd use to describe any woman -- and since no one has used the word "trollop" since approximately 1907 -- it's easy to understand why Kauffman and her team were furious. That "Friends" made such an effort to put its female characters on comedic par with their male counterparts had to have made that poll even more frustrating. Phoebe, Rachel and Monica had just as many hilarious gaffes, one-liners and slapstick scenes as Joey, Chandler and Ross did.

For Kauffman, who'd faced many hurdles building her career as a funny woman writing funny female characters, Ohlmeyer's attitude probably hit especially close to home. "It's a boys club," she told the New York Times in December 1997. "I think it has been harder for women to identify themselves as funny. I feel like I'm alone at times, fighting against a wall."

Luckily, it seems like the "Should women be having casual sex?" debate has become a moot issue in the TV industry, the way the "Are women funny?" conversation hopefully has as well. In the years since "Friends" debuted (and in the years before it premiered -- hello, "Beverly Hills 90210"), we've seen dozens of other comedies featuring funny women who had casual sex and didn't feel guilty -- or get guilt-tripped -- about it. "Sex and the City" may be the most iconic, and "Girls" the most recent, but let's not forget "How I Met Your Mother," "Desperate Housewives," "Weeds," "Will & Grace," "The L Word," "The Good Wife," "Bones," "Grey's Anatomy," "Ally McBeal" ... and on and on.

Fortunately for viewers, Ohlmeyer's sentiments didn't win out. And we got to watch Monica Geller's (often hilarious) sexcapades for ten great years.

Also, in case you're curious, here's the "wine guy" in question:

 

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This month's Vanity Fair includes an oral history of everyone's favorite ten-season sitcom, "Friends," an excerpt from former NBC president's upcoming book "Inside the Rise and Fall of Must See TV." A...
This month's Vanity Fair includes an oral history of everyone's favorite ten-season sitcom, "Friends," an excerpt from former NBC president's upcoming book "Inside the Rise and Fall of Must See TV." A...
 
 
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03:24 PM on 05/06/2012
I'm an American and I can safely say Americans are ashamed of themselves and their sexuality. We are prudes. How else can you explain Janet Jackson's breast causing a controversy but CSI can show a woman being mutilated then her dead body have an autopsy followed by three more women until one is saved from a man in the act of murdering her with his power? I would rather be like Europe where nudity and sex are seen as they are, natural and sex is a shared human condition. From the embarrassing to the sublime. Where women and men are naked and equal and neither have to be objectified outside of our desires and shared sexuality rather then having to watch hour long dramas of "heroes" using guns to murder and maim. It says something about a society that would rather be entertained and glorify violence that also has a very high violent gun history and crime rate as we have more prisons and more prisoners than any other nation per capita. I believe we have 600 prisoners to every 1000 people opposed to 100 prisoners to 1000 in the UK which is the next highest. Those countries that handle sex maturely have less crime. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
10:27 PM on 05/30/2012
Your ratio would mean we have 180,000,000 prisoners. Better try again, or leave it to others.
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04:25 PM on 05/31/2012
Sorry, I wrote that off the top of my head but one statistic does not make my point wrong. The problem is you do not know how to read a comment and see the focus. Here are the stats and while I know you are synonymous (which means you can be a brave smart ass hence the "try again" cool guy thing you think you've got going on) if you bothered to look up the facts after you read my comment, before you commented, though I accidentally exaggerated while writing off the top of my head my point stands. http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aaprisonpop.htm
08:53 AM on 05/05/2012
Ohlmeyer may have been good at the business side of his job but he obviously didn't know a thing about artistic content. Sometimes I wonder how these guys get their jobs.
08:19 AM on 05/05/2012
""Should women be having casual sex?" well yes
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trumbull desi
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01:01 PM on 05/05/2012
All those guys out there having sex ... they gotta be having it with someone!
01:04 PM on 05/06/2012
Casual sex is what turns men into monsters and women into objects.
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07:39 PM on 05/04/2012
. . having said that who cares? Why is this news? This could have been a great springboard for a discussion on how women who take control of their sexuality are viewed as sl*ts and wh*res, and how the men are just "sowing wild oats", or having a "boys will be boys" encounter. . . instead of calling them, well, I like Elaine Benis' word, "Mimbos"! LOL =)
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OutToLunch
all hail the French & the Saunders...
12:24 PM on 05/05/2012
lol fanned for a great Seinfeld reference!

everyone knows that Paul the wine guy wasn't spongeworthy anyway....
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01:02 PM on 05/05/2012
SPONGE WORTHY! LOL I forgot about that! Thanks, and nice top meet you! =)
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07:35 PM on 05/04/2012
Really, Monica? I thought the "loose woman" in the series was Rachel . . .
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trumbull desi
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01:02 PM on 05/05/2012
And here I thought it was Phoebes. After all, she carried a knife in her boot.
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01:13 PM on 05/05/2012
LOL! The Tartly Trio! ;)
PatrioticUSGlory
Lawyer, Market Analyst, Economist
01:16 PM on 05/04/2012
Like "The Daily Show" has prerecorded audience "sweetening" to cover Jon Stewart's lines to make them seem more funny than just calculatedly political, "Friends" had canned audience laughter to give the sense every joke or funny line was equally as funny as the others uttered by other characters.
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trumbull desi
If I have something pithy to say, see below
01:03 PM on 05/05/2012
Yeah ... Stewart doesn't need any artificial help. Neither did Friends in its heyday.
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fusillijerry
Stand back. Try to move away slow.
02:58 PM on 05/05/2012
You don't like it that the studio audience enjoys humor at fox news' expense?
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Jason Elias
11:31 AM on 05/04/2012
Don Ohlymeyer...He was also the guy who pushed Norm McDonald off of Weekend Update and subsequently SNL because he thought he wasn't "funny."
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fusillijerry
Stand back. Try to move away slow.
03:00 PM on 05/05/2012
According to McDonald, he was fired because he kept calling OJ a murderer. OJ was Ohlymeyer's friend.
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Jason Elias
04:19 PM on 05/05/2012
That's true and Ohlymeyer made "excuses" to why he got canned--but that was the reason.
10:33 PM on 05/30/2012
I'd trade you 77 Don Ohlmeyers for one Norm McDonald. Name one person that's not related to him that would be disappointed if D0n Ohlmeyer left TV for other pursuits.
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Killermolls44
The night is dark and full of terrors.
01:51 AM on 05/04/2012
I like how they call her names, yet the guy Joey was sleeping with a new chick nearly every night. Nice hypocrisy!
PatrioticUSGlory
Lawyer, Market Analyst, Economist
01:17 PM on 05/04/2012
Joey was open about it.
yappnmutt
humping legs for liberty
07:19 PM on 05/03/2012
oh, women have a sense of humor now? where? youtube is the most unbiased indicator of gender humor. there are a few funny women but the overwhelming amount of funny content are guys doing and saying funny stuff.
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Ann Oid
Idiocracy was apparently a documentary
08:10 AM on 05/04/2012
Really? Youtube is your standard? Maybe women are smarter than to put stuff on Youtube that will haunt them for all eternity...

Self selection bias...google it
yappnmutt
humping legs for liberty
11:41 AM on 05/04/2012
but they will put all sorts of other unfunny nonsense on youtube declaring their unfunniness.
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Cassandra45
"Let us do our best, even if it gets us nowhere."
07:10 PM on 05/03/2012
Don't you all just love the way no mention was made by the NBC guy regarding Joey's bedroom escapades? Joey was the one banging everything in sight, but I guess that was ok with NBC because he's a GUY. (Sound of me pounding head against wall, again)
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Killermolls44
The night is dark and full of terrors.
01:52 AM on 05/04/2012
Yep double standards...
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
06:31 AM on 05/04/2012
You guess.

You don't know his opinion of the Joey character.

There are many (men and women) who do share that double standard, however, and it's wrong.
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OutToLunch
all hail the French & the Saunders...
12:37 PM on 05/05/2012
seriously??

we don't know his opinion of Joey's character because he didn't ask the focus group/audience to judge Joey's behavior.

by ONLY subjecting Monica's character to this treatment (and by not asking a focus group which pejorative synonym best describes Joey) we can draw inferences about Mr Olhmeyer's biases...
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Cassandra45
"Let us do our best, even if it gets us nowhere."
02:10 PM on 05/05/2012
Are you saying that I am expressing a double standard? You can't be saying the the NBC guy was, since you don't know his opinion either, right?
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Jeffin90019
Your religion is your lifestyle choice. Not mine.
06:42 PM on 05/03/2012
One of my late mother's favorite targets was "Friends." She believed that women should stay virgins until they married and that sleeping around meant a woman had no self-respect. She used to refer vividly to the female characters on "Friends" as "sperm catchers." The male characters didn't fare any better. She called them "hoors."
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fusillijerry
Stand back. Try to move away slow.
03:02 PM on 05/05/2012
Lol. Apparently, your mother was not in their target audience. ;)
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Jeffin90019
Your religion is your lifestyle choice. Not mine.
01:46 PM on 05/10/2012
Clearly not, right?
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spartanladkenny
is amazing at predicting the future on HP
06:13 PM on 05/03/2012
All the characters were sleeping around at will. I don't see anything wrong about it though. The only weird part about the show was even when they had parties at home, they would just talk amongst themselves. The show was called Friends but I reckon they didn't really have any other "friends".
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HawaiianLady
My name means Gift of God.
05:26 PM on 05/03/2012
Never could stand that show, as much as I wanted to. Such phonies. I liked Lisa but she was the only one. "Who's George Snuffalopagus?" she asked, and I laughed. I think that was the only time.
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Presson
more reasonable than you can comprehend
05:15 PM on 05/03/2012
Monica ? Overly promiscuous? I didn't see her that way. She had been so insecure from being overweight, I assumed she was trying to catch up with Phoebe's more hippy life style. She always worked, had to feel something about a guy she was dating: she was looking to get married and have it work and was good to her friends even when she was angry with them. Maybe Mr. Ohlmeyer thought brunettes had to be less sexual than blondes.
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VirginiaJeff
I voted for him, I'm holding him accountable.
05:06 PM on 05/03/2012
Well, she was. But so were most of the characters. I never understood the attraction of this show, in which one of the most multi-cultural cities in the world was transformed into an alternate universe consisting almost entirely of white navel-gazing yuppies.
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OutToLunch
all hail the French & the Saunders...
12:39 PM on 05/05/2012
...not only was everyone white, they all had HUGE apartments.

sorry, but as a New Yorker, that was just too glaring and galling to overlook.
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VirginiaJeff
I voted for him, I'm holding him accountable.
01:40 PM on 05/05/2012
Hi OutToLunch!

Is that by any chance a picture of the actress Dawn French? If so, what is it from?