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Obama and the Middle East: Complex Systems, Poorly Planned Interventions, and The Law of Unintended Consequences

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We all know about incentives: Reward behavior that you want to promote and to encourage. However, organizational behavior theorists also offer examples of the Fallacy of rewarding A to encourage B. You know, you want teamwork and cooperation but you reward only individual performance, or you want to encourage customer satisfaction but you reward only sales. But this past week President Obama provided our first exposure to punishing A to encourage D. Bear with us for a short motivational detour about families and behavior; this is really about Israel, Jerusalem, North Waziristan, and a number of places in between.

Punishing A to encourage D? Imagine my son is downloading pirated Tarentino films (A), and it's raining outside (B). His downloading the Tarentino film really bothers me -- first it's illegal, and second, I'm not sure I want him watching stuff where phrases like "I'm a get Medieval on yo ass" will be made all too graphically clear. I want him to go outside and play (C) so that he will have more friends (D).

Right now I have A and B, and I don't want either of them. So I exercise parental controls on his laptop so he can't access the website he wants, which I hope means he'll go out and play, and thus have more friends. Except that it's still raining, and even when it stops raining he would rather stay in and watch Kill Bill on his laptop, which he downloaded weeks ago. And even when he does go outside, he takes solitary walks, hangs out in the Arms and Armor collection at the Met, or goes to visit his grandmother. No surprise: my intervention doesn't work -- the links from A to B to C to D are all too tenuous. This example is pretty obvious. And no one would assume that blocking a kid's access to a website would make it stop raining, or that sending him outside would make him popular. "Where are the causal mechanisms?", as we scientists like to say.

But you're not interested in my son. How about this instead: President Obama has to deal with the fact that the Israelis intend to build a housing project in a disputed part of East Jerusalem (A) and also with the fact of Arab intransigence in moving toward a two state solution to the Palestinian Problem (B). He faces intense resentment in the Islamic world, resentment toward the U. S. and European powers, and towards the non-Islamic world more generally, which has been building for decades or centuries, depending on how you count. He wants this resentment to diminish, or even vanish. Let's call this (C). And his real problem, of course, is the complex combination of wars and counter-insurgency operations that America faces in Iraq and the Afghanistan-Pakistan region. He believes that reducing Islamic resentment will reduce the opposition that the American military faces in Iraq and Afghanistan saving American "blood and treasure" (D).

Okay. This is more interesting than a Tarentino-addicted son. President Obama clearly believes that there is a linkage from A to D, and that achieving a settlement to the Palestinian Problem has become a "vital national security interest of the United States", but can action on A even get us to B? Just as blocking my son's website access doesn't stop the rain, one can wonder why stopping a housing project in East Jerusalem should end Arab intransigence on a two-state solution to Palestinian demands for statehood?

What if the core bases of Palestinian resistance are inherently rational? Maybe the Palestinians feel they can wait long enough to ensure that any single-state solution to the Palestinian Problem would result in an Arab majority. Could the Palestinians and their supporters take actions that within two or three decades force Israel to become either a Muslim-majority democracy or a Jewish apartheid state? The former would be the end of Israel as a Jewish homeland, while the second would result in Israel becoming an international pariah state and would be unsustainable. Either way, the Palestinians are better off waiting than making serious concessions now. There is no reason to assume the Palestinian negotiators are unaware of this scenario; indeed, if they were previously unaware, they would simply need to pick up a recent copy of Foreign Affairs to have it explained to them. So, stopping A may not stop B.

But let's move on with our analysis of Obama's reasoning: why would stopping B have any effect on C? The creation, and continued existence, of Israel is only one item on a long list of Islamic grievances. Egypt remembers Napoleon and the venal British occupation. Syria remembers its dismemberment by the League of Nations. Iran remembers the British manipulation of its oil revenues, the overthrow of Mossadegh, and U. S. support for the Shah. Afghanistan remembers the nineteenth century "Afghan Wars" and Pakistan remembers Partition. Osama bin Laden's grievances go well beyond the existence of the State of Israel and include the expulsion of the Moors from Spain under Ferdinand and Isabella in the 1400s and The Crusades four hundred years earlier. A solution to the Palestinian Problem will not end militant incursions into "Indian Occupied" Kashmir, bombing in Mumbai or in Bali, unrest among the Uighurs, or the standoff in Darfur (C).

So if punishing settlement-building (A) won't end Palestinian intransigence (B), and ending B won't end Islamic anger (C), how does this get us to the final objectives of ending the snarl of conflicts between the Tigris and the Indus (D), or of successfully working with the Taliban in North Waziristan or Afghanistan? It doesn't. Achieving D will require thoughtful, astute, patient efforts by many players inside and outside the region over a long period of time.

Still, solving any part of this conundrum is a good thing. Is punishing A to get at least B worth a try? Might stopping settlements in Jerusalem, with luck, at least get us to Palestinian statehood and an end to the Palestinian Problem?

We're not sure. The study of systems sciences suggests that changing one part of a complex system can have unanticipated effects. Let's assume that we do publicly rebuke and punish the Israelis, and look at two possible outcomes:

  1. What if the Israeli Government felt truly abandoned by the United States and no longer felt that it could count on its protection? What if therefore it felt that American public opinion was no longer a restraint on Israeli policy? What actions might the IDF take as a result, especially if it felt its position would only weaken over time, or if it felt truly threatened by the possibility of an Iranian nuclear bomb, and did not feel it could count on American support?
  2. What if the Palestinians felt that the Israeli Government no longer had the firm support of the United States? What if they felt that Israel would consequently become weaker and weaker over time? Why would the Palestinians become more flexible as a result? Wouldn't it be rational for them to become more intransigent, realizing that time and demographics were both on their side? Why would the situation become calmer while the Palestinians waited, and what might Fatah or Hamas, or Iranian proxies like Hezbollah, decide to do?

Mr. Obama is our president, and we wish him well. We live in a dangerous world, and anything he can do to make it safer for us, for the Middle East, for our armed forces, and for everyone else, would be a good thing. Mr. Obama has made great strides over his predecessor and is attempting to solve the problems of the Middle East systemically and systematically, not merely one piece at a time. However, he has not yet mastered the matrix of interactions that tie causes to diverse effects in this complex system. We simply wish that the Harvard Law School curriculum included more courses in logic and military history.

But what, then, should President Obama do?

  1. Avoid proposing simple solutions to complex problems. Look for causal linkages, not just proximity. Stopping movie downloads won't stop the rain, and stopping the construction of new settlements won't end centuries of misunderstanding and grievances.
  2. Work with these linkages and with the situation as it is, not as he would want it to be. For example, if the Palestinians think they can get all of Palestine just by waiting, President Obama needs to create a better option, either by making it clear that they cannot just wait, or by offering them something they cannot get just by waiting.
  3. Understand the complexity of the problem as it is. Making a problem undiscussable does not make the problem go away. President Obama seems to believe that use of phrases like "radical Islam" suggests Americans view Islamic states as terrorists and that the phrase should be banished; actually, this phrase suggests that the United States does make important distinctions between violent terrorists and others who disagree with us strongly but express this through different means. But denying the existence of radicals does not make them or their grievances go away. As long as the Islamic world feels it has real grievances, then palliatives, as expensive as they may be for the Israelis, are not a real solution. And as long as there are Islamic radicals there will be threats to the West, some of them quite severe. While some of these grievances and the problems they create may require real concessions from the West, others may require a truly forceful, even violent military response instead.
  4. Above all, President Obama should do no harm. Although this is a Medical School takeaway, not a law school one, it is worth mentioning in conclusion. The law of unintended consequences suggests that any time anyone adjusts a complex system, the results may be surprising. In this instance, we suspect that President Obama and the rest of the world would find the results of this stare-down with Israel disappointing as well.


Eric Clemons is Professor at Wharton and an expert in modeling the behavior of complex and unpredictable system. Elizabeth T. Gray, Jr. is an expert on complex negotiations and a translator of Persian texts.

 
 
 
 
 
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08:38 AM on 04/26/2010
>>>We simply wish that the Harvard Law School curriculum included more courses in logic and military history.
10:41 AM on 04/22/2010
First of all, the use of simplistic straight-line logic to analyze a situation where the majority of actors are manifestly not always rational is perhaps an unproductive approach.

Second, your axioms are questionable. To assert that the action (A): attempting to halt new construction in East Jerusalem must have the outcome (B): the end of Palestinian grievances against Israel, and therefore (C); a diminishing of larger Islamic grievances against the West in order to be successful is a false dichotomy. Those options are not collectively exhaustive, nor are they binary in execution. Reality is a great deal fuzzier than either/or logic. The possible benefit of the US moving towards being perceived as, and indeed acting as, a neutral broker in the region rather than as a tool of Israeli interests is only one of the many factors left out of this analysis.

Third, the logic is backwards: If (A): new construction in East Jerusalem comprises a major contemporary cause of (B): Palestinian grievances against Israel; then while removing (A) will probably not end (B) in a binary way, it will very probably lower the absolute prevalence of (B) in a much more complex and multi-axial fashion, while not removing (A) will almost certainly continue to make the situation worse.
11:01 AM on 04/22/2010
Fourth, to use your own analogy, if you tell your child to turn off the laptop or watch a more age-appropriate movie, and your child proceeds to tell everyone in the vicinity that you are a bigot and that you want him dead; you might reasonably consider that to be an overreaction by someone who has a vested interest in less parenting.
09:40 AM on 04/22/2010
Wow... thats a great piece to read, if you are an orientalist....

No mention of Iraq Afghanistan blunders and atrocities on the populations, of the US's one sided support for Israel while being a so called "Fair broker of peace", no mention of the fact that this fire was spread due to US led invasions into lands far far away in a region they did not understand. No analysis of the possible ulterior motives of the invasions (Oil/Gas).
10:39 AM on 04/22/2010
Dear BestGuest:
I had to giggle - it's been a long time since I've seen "orientalist" enter a discussion. Fanned.
That was the most peculiar part of the article. Left there dangling was Harvard Law's failure to include military history in the curriculum and then - allez, poof! - nothing said about our misbegotten adventures of the last eight years and how that might redound on us, Israel, and the rest of the region and all the world.
If you want to get your card punched and join the Orientalist Club, a good place to start is David Fromkin/s book entitled "Peace to End All Peace". More annoying history that will leave you even more puzzled about how we could've possibly entered into Iraq as blithley as we did.
06:14 AM on 04/22/2010
"...one can wonder why stopping a housing project in East Jerusalem should end Arab intransigence on a two-state solution to Palestinian demands for statehood?"

However, the reality is that most polls show that the majority of Palestinians DO want a two state solution (these polls also tend to show that around 70% want either peaceful negotiations or peaceful resistance).

Clearly Wharton is not working Prof Clemens hard enough if he has to time to waste writing copious articles analysing imaginary suppositions.
01:34 AM on 04/22/2010
thanks for the well reasoned article.
12:08 AM on 04/22/2010
This is some of the most sophisticated right wing spin I have heard from Israel in some time. I believe it's too late but you have to admire the effort.
12:21 AM on 04/22/2010
Fanned!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:44 AM on 04/22/2010
Nah it's not sophisticated, just desperate. Behind those carefully formed paragraphs are hollow thoughts and ideas.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
11:32 PM on 04/21/2010
Some good news!!

U.S. officials slam pro-Israel Jerusalem ad

By Barak Ravid - Ha'aretz, April 21, 2010.

EXCERPT: "United States administration officials have voiced harsh criticism over advertisements in favor of Israel's position on Jerusalem that appeared in the U.S. press with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's encouragement. The authors of the most recent such advertisements were president of the World Jewish Congress Ronald Lauder and Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Wiesel. 'All these advertisements are not a wise move,' one senior American official told Haaretz."

GO PRESIDENT OBAMA, GO!!!! TRUTH AND JUSTICE ARE ON YOUR SIDE!!!
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Nwo2012
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07:39 AM on 04/22/2010
Richard Silverstein has an analysis of this too - he seems to get everything first lately....

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/04/18/wiesel-if-i-lie-about-thee-o-jerusalem/,
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10:29 AM on 04/22/2010
During the early stateg of the Holocaust, a group of leftist movie stars, including Humphry Bogart, Lauren Bacall, Edward G. Robinson, Paul Muny and others wrote an open letter to FDR demanding that the USA do more to protect Europe's Jewish population and also, to more adequately publicize what was then a well kept secret, that Jews were being deported to their deaths. FDR had a message delivered to this group, namely that support for the Nazis was FAR greater in the USA then people realized and that they should SHUT UP, as not to risk swinging public opinion in favor of Germany. No other peep was heard from this group again.
09:18 PM on 04/21/2010
Do the authors realize that President Obama's approach to the Middle East conflict is supported by an increasing number of Americans who feel that the old politics of taking one side of the conflict cannot work is we are all going to get a sustainable peace.

I noticed something common when people are dealing with President Obama. He is continously being underestimated and called naive no matter what he manages to achieve on problems that have defeated POTUS 1 to 43

May be I am wrong but I have deduced that President Obama may not be loud and he may always smile but he is very sturbborn and once he has made up his mind, he will ignore those trying to bully him into opposite action
05:51 PM on 04/21/2010
AMAZING POST! Kudos, chocolate chip flavor!
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adamsquared
05:35 PM on 04/21/2010
Totally awsome post. I study systems science too, I hear exactly what your saying
Feels like reality takes a back seat to politics sometimes
05:32 PM on 04/21/2010
The brief author bio at the bottom of the page was interesting but incomplete. It was missing the "staunch supporter of Israeli right wing ideologies" part.

You want simple cause and effect? Ok, here goes.

(A) Israel builds settlements on disputed lands.

(B) this is like stomping on someone's broken foot.

ergo, (C) DON'T DO THAT.

was that enough cause and effect for you?
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04:35 PM on 04/21/2010
Wow. That was a very complicated way of saying essentially this: "Don't try to prevent Israel from violating UN SC resolution 242 because it will have unintended consequences." And by the way, if you want to discuss unintended consequences let's consider how Israel's intransigence and reluctance to surrender the land occupied in 67, makes a two state solution virtually impossible and as you point out that guarantees either pariah status for Israel or becoming a non-Jewish state. If I were really paranoid I'd think that the Likud party was really a front for Hamas--they are doing far more damage to Israel. ;-)
05:48 PM on 04/21/2010
Dear BluestateGuyInTX:
I'm with you on this one. And why make the shot over the bow about Harvard Law not teaching military history and then wander off after a vague reference about the Crusades and Moorish Spain? Plenty of military history taught at West Point and it's those graduates I expect to represent the discipline - not necessarily a civilian leader. Maybe if the military establishment had listened to General Shinseki? And since they didn't which part of the alphabet soup does that belong to? Maybe things got away from the authors.
But back to the core of your argument with one last observation. Whatever dizzying array of options one can invent for the Palestinians, they aren't going anywhere. The choice of whether they wait or not is a false one - unless, of course, they're not supposed to be able to change their minds anywhere along the process. No matter how they''re provoked.
06:22 PM on 04/21/2010
ISRAEL'S PECULIAR POSITION...by Eric Hoffer - Los Angeles Times26/5/1968.
The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews.
Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people and there is no refugee problem. Russia did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it.
Turkey threw out a million Greeks and Algeria a million Frenchman.
Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese and no one says a word about refugees.
06:22 PM on 04/21/2010
If Israel survives, it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources.
Yet at this moment, Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally.
We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us.
And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer [1967] had the Arabs and their Russian backers won the war, to realize how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the West in general.
I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us.
Should Israel perish, the Holocaust will be upon us all.
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Trollstein
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06:39 PM on 04/21/2010
The United Nations Security Counsel consists of certain permanent members who really have no special business to be establishing law for everyone else in the entire world. Why for example is France with 60-million residents and more Muslims then Israel has Jews, allowed a seat while the world's largest democracy, India with 20x France's population, is not? Does anyone have any reasonable answer? Why does China, with its long history of human rights violations and occupation of Tibet and no free speech, no free press and no democratic institutions, a country who boldly supports genocide in the Sudan, allowed to hold sway over the Jewish nation? That said, Res. 242 does not require Israel to withdraw its borders to pre-1967. Had that been its intent, it would have been extremely easy to simply say: "Israel withdraw to 1948 borders". Five words which would end any further debate on the subject. Why was the UN Security Counsel so stupid as not to include those five words? Because that was NOT its intent. The wording is intentionally ambiguous, as many acts of international treaty law are. The resolution leaves for later, the underlying subject of which specific "territories" were indeed "occupied". That day never came because there has never been any adjudication of who or what had firm (pre-existing) title to East Jerusalem. Like it or not, that is reality.
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Nwo2012
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07:09 PM on 04/21/2010
The permanent members of the security council generally have global reach and have a unrivaled combination of economic power, hard military power and soft-political and diplomatic power.

Israel just isn't big enough for a seat on the top table. Sorry.
Thelonius
Lived in Middle East for
08:02 PM on 04/21/2010
How convenient of you to ignore the Preamble of UNSC Res. 242 which is derived from the UN Charter and governs all that follows in the resolution: "Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war...." Furthermore, Resolution 242 explicitly states what lands Israel must withdraw from, i.e., Paragraph I, clause i: "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from territories OCCUPIED IN THE RECENT CONFLICT [my emphasis]." Indeed, both Aba Eban and Moshe Dayan advised the Eshkol cabinet that this clause calls for Israel's return to its boundaries as of 4 June 1967. Eban had done everything possible to convince the resolution's drafters to remove the phrase, "occupied in the recent conflict," but to no avail as they fully understood that no UNSC resolution can violate the UN Charter which prohibits the acquisition of territory through force of arms under any circumstances. Nor can a UNSC resolution violate the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or the Fourth Geneva Convention. Hence, withdrawal is required from all lands, including East Jerusalem, that Israel invaded and occupied "in the recent conflict," i.e. the war Israel launched on 5 June 1967. These are legal facts and will remain as such despite the endless barrage of hasbara from Israel's apologists.
Thelonius
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03:43 PM on 04/21/2010
You erroneously refer to the housing project Israelis intend to build as located "in a disputed part of East Jerusalem ..."

In fact, along with other Palestinian lands (as well as Syria's Golan Heights and Lebanon's Shebaa Farms), all of East Jerusalem/the Old City, including its illegally extended boundaries, is illegally and belligerently occupied by Israel.

Security Council Resolution 446 (22 March 1979) affirms that "the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity..."

Security Council Resolution 465 (1 March 1980) "...all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity..."

On 24 February 2004, the U.S. State Department declared: "Israel occupied the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights after the 1967 War.... The international community does not recognize Israel's sovereignty over any part of the occupied territories."

In 2004, the International Court of Justice ruled that “no territorial acquisition resulting from the threat or use of force shall be recognized as legal.” The Court denoted this principle a “corollary” of the U.N. Charter and as such “customary international law” and a “customary rule” binding on all member States of the United Nations.

Indeed, the only real solution to the conflict is full application of international law.
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06:56 PM on 04/21/2010
Amazing how the progression of events reveals the attempted "time-travel" involved.
UNSC Res. 242 stated: "Withdrawal of Israeli armed forces from _TERRITORIES_ occupied in the recent conflict."
Res. 446 refers to the _SAME AREAS_ as: "Palestinian and other Arab territories"
Res. 465 refers to the _SAME AREAS_ as "Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, INCLUDING JERUSALEM."
One would think that three different wars had occurred. Fast forward this progression to 2010 and the next res. might read: 'Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, INCLUDING ALL OF JERUSALEM.'
Next year the resolution (using the same temporal-displacement curve) might say: 'Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, INCLUDING ISRAEL'
International sovereign borders are NOT a popularity contest my friends. They are traditionally established through political declarations of sovereignty and protected by force of arms. (The Jewish populations being the seeming exception to all these rules--is required to disband every century or two at the whim of its neighbors and/or invaders.)
Once again I draw your attention to the fact that it is HIGHLY probably that the Arab/Muslims citizens of East Jerusalem may well prefer to remain Israeli citizens. Amazingly, I do not hear the leftist choirs and minions caring one molecule for the democratic interest of the Arab citizens of East Jerusalem. Anyone, anyone . . .Buhler . . .Buhler . . .
Thelonius
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08:07 PM on 04/21/2010
Nonsense!! Setting aside the fact you make no mention of Arab Christians, If you really believe the "Arab/Muslims [sic] citizens of East Jerusalem may well prefer to remain Israeli citizens," I've got a couple of bridges for sale.
02:55 PM on 04/21/2010
The Law of Unintended Consequences. Guess the world broke that one when they thought they could steal from one group of people to assuage their consciences about what they enabled to be done to another group of people.
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03:35 PM on 04/21/2010
If you are talking about the creation of the modern state of Israel, you are greatly oversimplifying the situation. Both Jews and Muslims had lands taken from them (and given to the other) as part of the partition plan in 1947. In the 5 to 10 years that followed, there were roughly equal numbers of Middle Eastern Jews and Palestinian Muslims that had been made refugees and needed to be resettled.

Needless to say, the Jews became Israeli citizens, the Palestinians, even in the West Bank and Gaza, were put in refugee camps (none of which were set up by Israel).

If you view Israel as simply a creation by the UN, and ignore the social, religious, political and cultural movement that was modern Zionism, you will forever misinterpret what goes on over there.
Thelonius
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06:37 PM on 04/21/2010
UNGA Res. 181 (the Partition Plan, Nov. 29/47) was recommendatory only (i.e., no status in law, never adopted by the UNSC) and utterly unjust regarding the Palestinians. In 1947, Jews (90% of whom were of foreign origin of which only 30% had taken out citizenship) made up just over 30% of the population and owned only 5.6% of the land. (10% of the Jewish population consisted of anti-Zionist Palestinian/Arab Jews.) Shockingly, the Partition Plan proposed the recommended Jewish state be granted 56% of Palestine. No wonder the native Palestinians (for the most part, Muslims and Christians, who comprised about 70% of the population and owned 94.4% of the land) rejected Res. 181. Between its passage and the declaration of Israel on May 14, Jewish militia had already expelled between 350,000 and 400,000 Palestinians. Hence, when Ben-Gurion et al. declared the "Jewish state," at the instigation of Washington, the UNGA was in the process of shelving the Partition Plan in favour of a UN Trusteeship. Israel's rejection of a US truce proposal and its escalating expulsion of Palestinians led to military intervention by outnumbered and outgunned Arab state armies. During the ensuing war Israel defeated the Arab armies, seized 78% of Palestine, evicted a further 400,000-450,000 Palestinians and destroyed about 450 of their towns and villages, including churches, mosques and cemeteries.
Thelonius
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06:55 PM on 04/21/2010
600,000 Arab Jews immigrated to Israel. However, unlike the over one million Palestinians who were ejected by force of arms, terror, several massacres and intimidation during short periods in 1947/48, 1956 and 1967, Arab Jews moved to Israel gradually between 1948 and 1967.

Israeli Jewish historian Avi Shlaim, from an affluent Jewish Iraqi family: "We are not refugees, nobody expelled us from Iraq, nobody told us that we were unwanted. But we are the victims of the Israeli-Arab conflict." (Ha'aretz, August 11, 2005) Yisrael Yeshayahu, former speaker of the Knesset: "We are not refugees. [Some of us] came to this country before the state was born. We had messianic aspirations." Shlomo Hillel, former minister and speaker of the Knesset: "I don't regard the departure of Jews from Arab lands as that of refugees. They came here because they wanted to, as Zionists." Ran Cohen, Knesset member: "I am not a refugee....I came at the behest of Zionism, due to the pull that this land exerts, and due to the idea of redemption. Nobody is going to define me as a refugee." (Ha'aretz, October 8, 2004)

If Jews who left Arab states believe they have legitimate claims against these states, they are free to pursue justice through international law. The bottom line is that while Palestinians were expelled by Jewish forces, they had nothing to do with any of the alleged injustices perpetrated against Jews in Arab countries. In short, apples and oranges.
04:33 PM on 04/21/2010
Obama has done better than the past 3 Presidents...At least Israeli's selected leader knows that atrocities will no longer be winked at by the US Govrn't...That behavior has consequences and that the US people no longer condone blackmail from people who are visiting on the Palestinians exactly what jews fled Germany at avoid.. Check out google maps and the occupied lands in 1947 to 2000!

Obama is doing just fine...thank you very much!
04:41 PM on 04/21/2010
Really? Mouthing words is easy. If he meant ANY of those words he would back them up with actions.

Instead Obama is busy bashing Iran, and now Syria, because ISRAEL says these countries are against them.

Grow up. America continues the same attitude as ever. Mouth the words, but do nothing.
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02:46 PM on 04/21/2010
Isn't it kind of ironic that we are always told to act cautiously to avoid offending or angering the "Muslim street", yet they never seem to bother worrying at all about whether or not the things they do will anger the "American street"? Oh no, we can't launch any kind of attack on a Muslim holiday--that might make them MAD at us...though they have no problem at all launching attacks on Christian or Jewish holidays. Etc.

I would think they should be a lot more concerned about angering us than we should be about angering them (seriously, are they going to actually hate us more or something? Is that even possible?). The truth is, Palestinians can be as mad at us as they like and it won't make much difference in my life--after all, they have been hateful toward me all my life so what would really change? If they make us mad enough, on the other hand, it is technically possible for us to erase their entire civilization in under an hour, making the world a safer place for everyone in the process--shouldn't they be far more worried than we are?

It seems to me they should be, but never are. How does one go about reasoning logically with people who pick up a handful of rocks and declare war on a nuclear power and think it's smart? Answer that, and peace in the Middle East will probably follow shortly thereafter.
03:38 PM on 04/21/2010
Obviously, "they" don't really care about Muslim/Arab/Persian opinion at all, since we blithely attacked a nation that threatened us not at all, killed as many as 1,000,000 of their people, displaced another 4,000,000, and left their infrastructure demolished. Or there was the time we deposed the pro-USA, democratically elected Prime Minister to install the Shah so that the Brits could continue stealing their oil. (It benefited us not at all, since they wanted an oil deal with the US and to toss out the Brits).

No, I don't think we really give a damn about what any nation in the Middle East thinks, with the possible exception of some of Israel.
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04:23 PM on 04/21/2010
The Palestinians aren't afraid of America because they aren't afraid of death - they glorify death. It's the greatest accomplishment any Palestinian can hope to achieve.
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BluestateGuyInTX
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04:36 PM on 04/21/2010
My goodness but you are such an expert on other people's lives.
10:12 AM on 04/22/2010
Oriental much?