Obama-Clinton: A Murder-Suicide in Progress, and How to Stop It

Posted March 28, 2008 | 10:49 AM (EST)



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Forget "Tonya Harding." With the latest NBC/WSJ poll , it is becoming even more evident -- this campaign is turning into a murder-suicide. Chris Dodd sees it. Howard Dean sees it. Superdelegates see it. I wrote about it more than a week ago in the Philly Daily News.

On one hand, you have the Clinton attacks which clearly are having a negative effect on Barack Obama (though he's shown an ability to rebound slightly). That's the intended effect -- drive his numbers down as much as possible, so that superdelegates see him as unelectable. And, indeed, his general election numbers aren't as good as they once were, as John McCain is quickly gaining ground.

On the other hand, Hillary Clinton's numbers are bottoming out pretty quick, also in response to her 'kitchen sink' strategy -- turning off white Democratic voters (dropping from a 12 point lead to an 8 point lead against Obama) and white voters overall (with a 51% negative rating); collapsing numbers among all voters (down to just 37% positive rating); and even losing women at a fast clip (dropping from 51% positive rating to 42% in just one month!) And despite all the attacks on Obama, she still isn't beating McCain, in the latest poll.

In short, while she's clearly pierced Obama with a bullet or two, Hillary Clinton's turned the gun on herself as well. The question now is whether someone -- anyone -- will step in and stop a murder-suicide in progress.

The problem is that while many superdelegates who are uncommitted have no problem expressing their frustration in unattributed quotes, none of them wants to stick their neck out, and face any political blowback. However, if the remaining uncommitted superdelegates step forward together, with a singular proposal to end this crime against the Democratic party, their numbers are just too great for any politician, even the Clintons, to exact revenge. Think of it as the electoral equivalent of the so called "gangs" in Congress - the "Gang of Eleven," the "Gang of Fourteen," and so on. Call it the "Gang of 300."

They must put forth a compromise plan, which addresses the reasons that Clinton is staying in the race, but also addresses the political reality. The reality, of course, is that there is no path to a straight up advantage over Obama after all the primaries are done. She won't win more states, won't win more pledged delegates, won't win more of the popular vote. Her reason for staying in, however, is that maybe there will be something that happens that makes Obama completely and utterly unelectable, and he'll be forced out of the race, while she picks up the torch.

Addressing both angles, here is a reasonable and fair proposal that allows Democrats to move ahead together, and not continue to sabotage a win in November:

1) Unless Hillary Clinton wins with more than 65 percent of the vote in Pennsylvania (which would put her on some kind of path to a real advantage over Obama in Denver), the 300+ remaining superdelegates pledge to all endorse Senator Obama.

2) These superdelegates, however, do not call on Hillary Clinton to "drop-out" of the race, but merely suspend her campaign, and not release her delegates. Nor do they call on her to endorse Senator Obama, yet. However, they do call on her to stop campaigning "against" Obama, and stop campaigning period, allowing the party to make up the losses it's sustained to McCain in every poll.

3) Should Obama face a situation that makes him completely unelectable before the convention, that should be self-evident, and he will end his campaign. Think along the lines of Spitzer or McGreevey. If he ends his campaign, she has the nomination. However, if he becomes completely unelectable before the nomination and refuses to drop-out of the race, this gang of 300 will hold its own vote. If a supermajority of them (2/3rds) vote among themselves that he has become unelectable, the whole of the group will move, en masse, to Hillary Clinton, and urge all other superdelegates to do the same. Essentially, this would be such a PR hit that it would knock Obama out of the race, if he refuses to leave on his own accord.

Such a plan would put an end to the Dem-on-Dem violence, and allow the party to begin to heal, but leave a path to victory for Hillary Clinton, which all hinges on what her own campaign admits is her only chance -- that Obama self-destructs. During this time of her "suspended" campaign, she also wouldn't have to spend any money, but could continue fundraising, replenishing her empty coffers and have it at the ready, in case the party calls on her to step in and replace Obama as its presumptive nominee.

Would the candidates agree to such a deal? Not if you just asked them, because it's not an ideal solution for either. But if 300 superdelegates agreed to this, presented it as a group, and moved to end the self-destruction, it would force the candidates and the party to accept the plan. They would have no other choice.

What of the voters who tell pollsters the campaign should go on? I'd love for one pollster to present them with a choice -- continue the campaign, or risk losing in November? I bet you anything the overwhelming majority of voters would sacrifice an active primary to help their chances in November. But, no one has asked that question.

Nearly everyone in the party is now looking for a way to begin the campaign against John McCain. It's time for the uncommitted superdelegates to do what the party created them to do in the first place -- inject a dose of clear, cold sanity in a crazy and destructive campaign.


 
 

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Its dribs and drabs organised by Obama that will take enough superdelegates after NC to end this, forget about a plan, the real world works person to person, Obama direct to clinch the deal. If he is an alien mutant whose genetic testing indicates viral malignant life form or other such nonsense, not even the pledged delegates will vote for him at the convention. Clinton is caput, fini, over, past tense. Good-bye,sayonara. No VP deal, no more Clinton in White House.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:30 AM on 04/01/2008

The uncommitted Superdelegates don't need a Convention all they need is to start going for one side or another within weeks.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:19 AM on 04/01/2008

He's the perfect split-the-difference candidate. Where is Adlai Stevenson when you need him?

Oh, that's right. He's dead.

Never mind.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:52 PM on 03/31/2008

Obama--Wall Street's guy--will surely withdraw from the race in response to this eloquent call for unity.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:48 PM on 03/31/2008

The financial community folks who have backed Sen Obama, thus far, have no intention of electing him--and never did.

He is right-wing finance's best available anti-Hillary marketing gimmick. His media-ballyhooed triumph in the Idaho caucus notwithstanding, Senator Obama faces a conundrum and a half:

If he knocks out Hillary, as his financial community sponsors hope-- he knocks out himself, also.

Should Sen Clinton withdraw--then the media adulation of Obama ends and Sen Obama is exposed as an articulate but compromised Chicago pol.

There are worse crimes.

But it makes it highly unlikely that he will ever be elected president.

Which is precisely why the corporate media loves Obama.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 PM on 03/31/2008

If you think HRC should stay in, play with Slate's delegate counter. It proves pretty effectively that she can't win.

http://www.slate.com/id/2187679/

If there weren't a cost to HRC staying in the race, I'd say, sure, why not? But there are costs:

1) Every week, the Dems negatives go up while McCain's positives go up.
2) The tens of millions of dollars being spent on the primary could go to the general election. I know I don't have unlimited funds, and I'll bet there are lots of people who will feel tapped out by the time the primaries wrap up.
3) The intra-party divide increases each week; the tension is real and the bad blood won't entirely go away. The more time to heal, the better.

There are numerous precedents for wrapping up the nomination before all the states have voted. There's no precedent for the superdelegates to overturn the votes of the voters.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:50 AM on 03/31/2008
    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:35 AM on 03/31/2008

Maybe not a good plan and maybe there are better ones out there but at least it is workable and it provides a justifiable reason for the superdelegates to change their minds if needed.

The Clintionistas won't like it since there campaign takes the hit but then again she is behind in delegates and as Davidson had to accept losing to Kansas despite an awesome game, every good runs come to an end eventually. Talk to Gore about what to do with all that free time.

On the other side the Obamanics would have to live up their side of the bargain. So if something comes out about Obama that has not already recieved shiploads of press time or McCain looks like he is surging ahead and has a legitimate shot at taking the WH then the superdelegates need to do thier job and vote for Hiliary at Denver.

But at least we start with one on one with McCain instead of McCain getting to sit back and have an easy ride while Clinton's DLC attempts to prove the 50 state strategy does not work and while Obama and Dean supporters in the Democratic Party attempt to prove the opposite.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:39 PM on 03/30/2008

She could always start campaigning against John McCain instead of Barack Obama. That'd probably give her a boost among Democrats, actually. Another bonus is that you'd have two candidates campaigning against McCain instead of two candidates campaigning against Obama. It'd be much less destructive for Democrats as a whole.

That is, unless this really is just a suicide bombing.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:55 PM on 03/30/2008

Point of clarification: it'd be in the Dems' interests if *both* candidates agreed to direct their long knives toward McCain instead of each other. Campaign against the Republican candidate and allow the process to play out as it will.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:01 PM on 03/30/2008

Well, I prefer "suicide bombing", but yeah, pick your metaphor and run with it.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 03/30/2008

Andy Borowitz' latest satirical column:

"Hillary Vows to Stay in Race 100 years"

www.borowistzreport.com

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:09 PM on 03/30/2008

I like your plan. It has my support.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:40 AM on 03/30/2008

Murder--suicide, that is a funny and yet dangerous analogy (we do have some kooks in America who get their clues from all sorts of strange places). Here I have to agree with Hillary and Jeremiah Wright, words do matter and America has a history of violence.

I personally say that Hillary should be free to continue her campaign with all of its attempts at political homicide and all of its movement towards the space that lies just beyond the cliffs ledge, or the kicking and bucking of the political legs and body that comes from self-inflicted asphyxia of the morals, principles, and ethics of a candidate

When a spanking comes from a just source it is always commensurate with the crime that provoked it. If this attempt at terminating the political campaign of Barack Obama succeeds and his candidacy is derailed through the nefarious machinations of zealots, the spanking for Hillary will be painful to watch; it will make the Lewinsky thing feel like a light breeze on a summer's day in terms of degree of suffering. Karma operates in this way, I guarantee it. If however she stays in and runs a campaign worthy of what I used to think about her, the standard she once represented; then no matter who wins I will be happy.

But a misbehaving child must show true repentance to stave off an earned spanking.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:03 AM on 03/30/2008

"Murder--suicide"

I hope we don't get too stupid over Hillary Clinton's unwillingness to admit defeat.

Remember all the speeches Mitt Romney gave about how he was "in it to win it" and going to "see this thing through to the finish" just a couple of weeks before he dropped out of the race?

The superdelegates are intelligent people. They're not going to douse themselves in gasoline and set fire to the party by trying to force some result on the Democratic voters besides the one that the voters themselves have made.

I'm a little bit put out that the Party "Leaders" felt that they had to put in a system to protect themselves from us, but there it is.

Obama's going to be the candidate and president. Not to worry.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:12 PM on 03/30/2008

Obama has already shown that he is electable by more votes, more delegates, and more states. What else he has to prove? Even the Wright matter didn't make a dent in his lead while the Clintons show more of their true color over and over again with lies and spins and more lie and spins. The superdelegates have to make their choice now but the Clintons machine is so powerful that they are afraid of revenge so they won't make it. No one can stop this unless VOTERS realize what a liar and self-serving people the Clintons are and don't vote for the Clintons in the remaining primaries. When the Clintons' aim is 2012, nothing can stop them now unless voters tell them enough of dirty politics, out with the old divide, hate,... and in with a future of working for the best of the country. Do the Clintons care about the party? I doubt it. The OH win had pushed the Clintons to go on, if they didn't win it, they would have dropped out already. That is the power of voters and they will get what they deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:15 AM on 03/30/2008

DUDE, YOU'RE A GENIUS!

Well, not exactly a genius, and to be honest something far from it. The real problem with your premise is that Obama has already suffered a mortal wound -- it's just his supporter's who have already voted and don't want to admit they made a wrong decision that are keeping the hope alive. The Rev. Wright situation has destroyed his candidacy outside of his circle of die-hard followers.

Hillary's supporters for good reason (not a trivial reason such as sour grapes) will consider their options if Obama is the nominee.

The pitch to the Independents is falling on deaf ears.

The dream of Republican crossover is gone.

So, your kind gesture of saying Hillary can get back in if Obama somehow implodes is nice, but you gotta opens your eyes and see that he already has.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:05 AM on 03/30/2008

Two words: sniper fire.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:25 PM on 03/30/2008

"The Rev. Wright situation has destroyed his candidacy"

Only for scumbags who would never vote for a black man anyway.

Like you, "BigSid".

Obama will be the candidate and the president.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:14 PM on 03/30/2008

It shouldn't be about Wright, and it's not.

It's about a very bright fellow sitting for 20 years in the pews of a church whose pastor openly espouses a racist philosophy. This very bright fellow then tries to tell us all that, even though he was a professor of law at the University of Chicago and president of the Harvard Law Review, he slept through or ignored or voted present and somehow completely! missed! the serious hate-mongering being trafficked around him.

He's done for and doesn't know it yet.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:35 AM on 04/01/2008

WOW...just a little divisive, ain't ya? Anyhow, I'm a black man, guess that will make you change you're theory a bit. Guess you'll claim I got some kind of self-hate going on.

Wright episode has hurt Obama outside of the Democratic party far more than any of his supporters want to admit. The primary problem with the polls (the ones showing he has not been hurt by the controversy) is that they include the 80% of the country that has already voted -- voters who are trying to justify their vote.

I'm not happy that Wright hurt him, but I believe it has. I believe we will see this when Pennsylvania votes. I believe we will see this when Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia and Kentucky vote as well. There will be a big drop off in the trends he had going for him up to this point.

Of course, he may not lose the nomination because of this, but he will feel the effects in November. The dream of Republicans converting and Independents swaying will not become a reality.

The real irony, Clinton has nothing to do with the Rev. Wright controversy. Wright was not in the kitchen sink. Obama is the sole party responsible for whatever comes of this.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:36 PM on 03/30/2008

1. If in fact "The Rev. Wright situation" has "destroyed his candidacy" as you say then that does not speak well of the electorate's ability to not fall prey to what amounts to a simple confidence game (keep your eye on the little ball or the red card or the message of the pastor); that would include judges of genius like yourself.

2. Senator Obama is lucky, he has a large group of "die-hard" followers to offset the large group of those unwilling, unable, or just afraid to think for themselves and do research for themselves and to not come predisposed to the question of the characteristics and qualities of a leader; you know " presidential choices made by digesting the cliff notes of pundits.

I was sent to this earth to seek out people like you with their veiled and cowardly attempts to veil what is ideologically exclusionary thinking but what at a deeper level is really fear. I allow for being wrong and I am sure you have done a studious assessment of the candidates based on what is good for the country.

Lastly, this "never-die" (because spirit never dies) supporter is not really concerned with the goal. Win or lose Barack Obama"s candidacy has already changed America in profound ways.

Hey look up, that"s you in the spot light, and the whole world"s watching to see if you are the "mark" of the game that is being played.

Shalom!

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:42 AM on 03/30/2008

I find it interesting when people equate apprehension with regards to Obama as fear. I'm not afraid of Obama being President -- I simply think there are better choices.

1. The Wright situation can appropriately be described as a confidence game -- isn't that all an election is -- a contest to see who the most people have confidence in? In the scope on many things people seek, Wright would possibly be of no consequence. But, in pursuit of the Presidency it is more than a minor issue. The Wright situation is a rationalization on the part of Obama's supporters. They have so much faith in him in other areas that they overlook this one. That's fine -- supporters of the other candidates do the same thing -- we're no better. However, a lot of non-supporters that Obama needs to win will not make the same rationalization.

2. Obama is lucky (not only for being black -- I couldn't resist), but also because he has a large number of supporters. All the candidates are lucky in this way. My lack of enthusiams for Obama is not fear, he's simply overshadowed by by excitement for Hillary.

I have no veiled agenda -- I'm up front with it. Obama's candidacy is doomed, not by fear or prejudice, but by the revelations of who I feel he really is. You say his faith is unquestionable -- I and others have questions. You accept his answers -- I question even those.

Notice the Red

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:57 PM on 03/30/2008

"Obama's candidacy is doomed"

Novermber's a long way away, buddy. You seem to be making some claim that you are omnipetent amd Godlike in your ability to be so certain about the future. And since you say you are a black man, then maybe you aren't the savvy insider you claim to be about the ability of whites like myself to forgive Obama for the comments of Rev. Wright. You sound like a racist to me.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:56 PM on 03/31/2008

Then Hillary should win; go Hillary.

As for me I do not blindly accept his answers, yours, or Hillary's. I look at what a person says and I may think about it for years to come. I am not so smart that I can process information so quickly as to say I know anything for certain. I do know that if you are truly "black" no matter your skin color, you would not have touched the Ferarro comment even in jest. This opinion comes out of years of considering the nature of those who would compromise principle for gain.

Who is he really, I cannot say that I know that about any of the candidates. You seem to know. So let the games continue and it will be what it will be. I am not interested in the goal. It is this process of dialogue and self examination that has begun that most excites me. If he wins it will be because the people of America made that choice; the same is true for Hillary and John.

Nice chatting with you BigSid, you made me think and I always appreciate stimulation of this sort.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:12 PM on 03/31/2008

and insulting the voters is supposed to help your candidate how. first it was sates.caucuses and any primary she didn't win that was viewed wrong or irrelevant because she didn't win them. now you want to add voters to the list.and what mortal would he must have gotten hit by one of hillary's snipers.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:21 AM on 03/30/2008

OBAMA is a ZOMBIE, DEAD MAN WALKING, or whatever you wanna call it. He's unelectable at this point. Apparently it's hard for some to see, but not me, I see it clearly.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:33 AM on 03/30/2008

"OBAMA is a ZOMBIE, DEAD MAN WALKING, or whatever you wanna call it. He's unelectable at this point. Apparently it's hard for some to see, but not me, I see it clearly."

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Of the 30-some people I know of who voted for Obama in our primary, only 2 now say they will still vote for him in November. The other 28 would like their vote back.

Of the Republicans I know, not ONE will vote for him in the general election. About half of those are not thrilled with McCain, but they trust Obama less. And yes, some of these people WERE once flirting with the idea of voting for him. No more.

The sentiments I have heard expressed by these people are not in the least bit wishy-washy. They are very firm about their resolve. They believe, deeply and passionately, that Obama does not belong in the White House.

Say hello to President McCain.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:45 PM on 03/31/2008

Interesting idea, but one of your key assumptions doesn't hold.

Yes a compromise plan needs to
1) address the reasons that Clinton is staying in the race
2) address the political reality that there is no path to a straight up advantage over Obama after all the primaries are done
3) and, you are right that she won't win more states, pledged delegates, or more of the popular vote.

You are wrong, though, that her reason for staying is that maybe something happens that makes Obama unelectable, forces him out and she picks up the torch.

Her reason for staying in the race is because she believes she can win. Both Clintons have experiences coming back from the political dead. They don't give up and they are rewarded. President Bill survived impeachment and left office with high approval ratings; HRC came back after her Iowa trouncing. The Clinton model is incredible tenacity in the face of doom.

Her reason for staying in? To win. Not to wait for a misstep, but to cause the misstep, to change the tide, to fight with every last bit of political strength and know-how. The Clinton lesson is that those who never give up, never give in, and do whatever it takes are rewarded.

Sorry, yours was a good idea, but it is going to take the SD to grow backbones and make a choice. Each one of them needs to commit to a candidate, and only THEN will this be over.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:27 AM on 03/30/2008

Solutions at democratic party conventions have a history of favouring the politically safe middle-of-the-road candidate, right back to when the party settled on Hubert Humphrey despite the early popular momentum of Eugene McCarthy in '68. For that reason alone I think your solution, which favours Obama "unless he self-destructs" wouldn't work for them.

Propose something that allows the superdelegates to go with HRC, and you've got yourself a winner ^_^

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:54 PM on 03/29/2008

Obama can win if no one campaigns against him! The campaigning must stop now. Let's move up the convention, crown Obama, then put him in a bunker before McCain does any real damage to him.
Then around October we can wheel him out fresh and cute, with that killer smile of his and he'll just charm the American voter. Once he's in the oval office we'll figure out away to protect him from all those mean, vicious, scorched earth Republicans.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 PM on 03/29/2008
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I'm supporting Obama but I think this thing should play itself out a little longer. Let's get through Pennsylvania. If Hillary doesn't hit the 65% threshold and if Obama wins in NC, the picture will be clear. Then it will be time to end the thing. If Hillary continues on after that, she'll begin to look like a buffoon and everyone will begin to move away from her and the issue will play itself out naturally like it did with Huckabee.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 03/29/2008

Hey jazzman, in fact I did say I see no need to end this today, and to wait till pa and see if she hits the threshold. Maybe you're reiterating. Anyway, I did want to make clear I'm not saying this should be resolved now. It's pretty clear that the PA results will play a huge role.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:20 PM on 03/30/2008

Didn't we say the same thing last month about her having to win BOTH Ohio and Texas? I believe she lost Texas.

I have no problem with this idea is she can stop knee-capping him, but don't you think she will be setting new goal posts after these two markers?