Till the Convention: Ugly, Uglier, Ugliest

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Posted April 1, 2008 | 11:43 AM (EST)



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The media fascination with the daily head-to-head between Senators Obama and Clinton is somewhat humorous to me, because it begins to take on the feeling of who wins goes on to be president. Not so.

The most important indicator of where the election is heading is the long-term trends -- not the daily polls -- in all voters' preferences between Obama v. McCain and Clinton v. McCain. That long-term view gives us the best indicator of where an extended primary is taking the Democratic party, and where the party can expect to start off the general election, if they end it at the convention, a mere two months before Election Day.

Barring any cataclysmic event (like there is a violent extremist coup in Iraq, or one of the candidates gets arrested for torturing kittens), there will be a lot of ups and downs in the daily polls, but the long-term trend lines go from ugly, to uglier, to ugliest for Democrats. Is it any wonder that Joe Scarborough has spent every morning on his show trying to push the idea that this should go all the way to Denver?

Let's just look at the graphic evidence. Here's the last month of Rasmussen Report's head-to-heads.

You can see, it's a little tough to tell what's going on when you look at all the daily up and down action. As everyone likes to say when they dismiss polls, polling is just a snapshot in time. But, a month is a pretty good indicator of where things are going. So let's smooth this out and look at the one-month trend line.

Now you get a better idea as to where Democrats have gone over the last month, as they "bloody up" each other, as Rush Limbaugh has hoped for with glee. That's the uglier.

Let's now peek at the ugliest. By extending the trend lines through to the convention, which assumes no mortal blows along the way (but Obama and Clinton beating each other up, while John McCain builds his infrastructure out and goes on unchallenged PR tours), a very scary picture emerges.

To make matters worse, while the trend lines in reality could be off by a few points than on this chart, an ugly convention most likely plummet Democratic numbers ensuring they're on the low end of the trend, leaving Democrats with an even worse deficit to overcome with just two months to campaign. For those who think it's impossible that Democrats will ever do this poorly in polls, who would have thought that a Republican would even sniff a Democrat's jock this year in the prez race? And yet, they are.

Unchallenged and undefined by the Democrats' side, John McCain should only drive his numbers up, while infighting brings the Democrats down. After five more long months of it, it's not at all outrageous to say that Dems could find themselves in a 30 point hole or worse. With some awesome campaigning, they could make it respectable during a 2 month campaign, like maybe a 10 point loss or so. But I wouldn't lay any money down on a win.

Bill Clinton's yukking it up around the country, telling everyone to "chill out" because no matter what happens "we're going to win." The problem is, the longer Bill Clinton laughs it off, the greater chance we'll all be crying on a cold Tuesday night in early November.


 
 

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I agree with you as a rough idea. But linear trend lines don't seem to fit the polling data very well. It looks more like the rate of increase of the difference between McCain vs Obama/Clinton is decrease, possibly even plateauing at about 10% - 15%. However, there is no doubt that that less intra-party negativity before, and a longer the gap to, the general election is better.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:29 PM on 04/01/2008

I'd normally agree with you, but like I said, it's not all that outlandish to say that if things keep going like they are that McCain picks up a couple of points per month and Obama drops a couple and Hillary 3 or 4. That's a relatively small drop per month, which should hold, as disgust sets in from most voters who aren't hard-core D's. So, like I said, there could be variation, and Hillary doesn't hit 20% (which I think would be awfully low). But between 20-30? Not all that crazy - not if the campaign keeps on as it has been, and if McCain is able to run an unchallenged general election campaign.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:40 PM on 04/01/2008

Now we know that the average voter such as I am, are not able to force the outcome of Hillary quitting so Barack can fight McCain. Hillary herself has given so many video and sound bites to handicap Barack and he needs all the time he can get to fight those as well as the republicans. The polls out a month scare me as the democrat supers have sat on their collective ass thinking the next state will show us who to vote for. They already are looking at Hillary not being able to catch up to Barack unless they all vote for her. I also know the clintons have a long history of not what I would call bartering. Favors done for favors owed and all of the lobbyists and big business they are emeshed with only brings visions of back room dirty deals like Hillary has called inin Pa. Tese guys know if she wins and they don't support her the hell will be paid. Clintons never forget a slight either and will go back and damage anyone for any reason. Perhaps that is why the MSM has not "picked up on her lies".

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:29 PM on 04/01/2008

The Clintons need to raise Obama's negatives to make a case for themselves. That is their only hope. Hillary's favorability maxed out long ago at around 40%. Even the most hysterical perception of her victimhood cannot jack that number any higher. If the Clintons spend 1% of their day on the trail attacking Obama, the media will broadcast the 1% and ignore the other 99% wholesale, and down their numbers will go. If they remain unable to reign themselves in on the attacks, their lasting legacy will be the 2008 Democratic presidency that they extinguished.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:32 PM on 04/01/2008

Problem is that it's dragging her down at a faster clip. He's losing 2 percent a month to McCain, she's losing 4 percent a month. She's actually not doing any better v. McCain from the attacks. She's doing a whole lot worse.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:14 PM on 04/01/2008

not to mention practically endorsing McCain over her Democratic contender. Not to mention joining the neo cons, Murdoch and the vast right wing conspiracy by appearing in the presence, and being friendly with, the leader of that conspiracy, RM Scaife.

What the hell is going on with the Clintons? Are they Democrats or Republican neocons?

Liars to a fault, the both of them, as well as Chelsea. This is what people will vote for to become the next president? After almost eight years of the same from Bush? I don't believe the American people are that stupid and if they are, they will get the government they deserve.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:36 PM on 04/01/2008

If Hillary and Barack really cared about the greatness of America and keeping it so they would both step down and concede to John McCain. Superior character and experience as well as a belief in lower taxes and keeping America and Americans safe.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:41 PM on 04/01/2008

"Belief" (as opposed to reason) is the right word for lower taxes... since not enough are being collected to cover even current expenditures.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:35 PM on 04/01/2008

America lost its "greatness" with the Bush administration and conceding to John McCain before an election is as anti-democratic as it gets.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:41 PM on 04/01/2008

I checked out kingcityguru's comment history at the profile page. Nice to see somebody's being paid to comment on Huffingtonpost. The RNC pays well I hear....

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:57 PM on 04/01/2008

I'm most worried about the MSM. Considering they take turns attacking and smearing Obama & Clinton on alternate days, while consistently talking up McCain, praising McCain, excusing McCain's blunders, and ignoring McCain's hypocrisy - I'm afraid no matter what happens, we'll be stuck w/ another Republican in office. It's gotten to the point now where I'm just trying to decide: Do I want Clinton to lose to McCain, so I can say "I told you so" or do I want Obama to lose to McCain and have to deal with all the "I told you so"s directed at me?

If that sounds pessimistic or cynical - all you have to do is turn on the TV to see why I feel this way.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 PM on 04/01/2008

Hillary Clinton is a democrat albeit a neocon and people are just now realizing how destructive she is but unless the voters of Pennsylvania reject her garbage this race will go on and believe it or not her campaign will get even uglier with every passing day.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:11 PM on 04/01/2008

the klintons don't give a damn. they WANT mcBomb to win. the senile old coot will make matters even worse, and the hellary can run again in 2012 on all her sniper-dodging experience. the fly in that ointment is that obama is kicking her behind and he's going to be the next prez.

    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 AM on 04/01/2008
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