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A Psychoanalyst Talks About How Couples Can Prevent Divorce the Second Time Around

Posted: 05/08/2012 12:50 pm

What happens when a psychoanalytic psychotherapist and a Jungian analyst get together to write a book for partners facing a crisis in their marriage? You get a fascinating mix of insights that draw on attachment theory, Freudian analysis, Jungian dream and shadow work, neurobiology, and good-old self-help strategies. Couples at the Crossroads is the new book by Daniela Roher Ph.D and Susan E. Schwartz Ph.D, whose combined therapeutic experience spans more than 50 years.

I sat down with Dr. Roher to talk about how couples in second marriages can keep their relationship healthy and strong and prevent some of the mistakes they made the first time around. Here is an excerpt from that conversation:

How can partners in a second marriage avoid some of the common pitfalls that may have contributed to the end of their first marriage, such as blaming the other person for the way their life is turning out?

When couples are in pain, they tend to use most of their resources on getting rid of the pain, at all costs, and feel better. It's easier to believe that, "My relationship is the cause of my pain," than to look inside and explore what may be wrong with them.

What can spouses do instead of blaming?

Introspection and reflection are two ways in which we can know the difference between what's ours and what's our partner's. Introspection is the process of looking within. Reflection is the process of looking at ourselves from the outside, putting things in perspective and looking at the whole picture.

We ask ourselves: Is this a pattern that existed before now, before this current relationship? Did I notice it in my previous intimate relationships? Did my partner act this way in his or her previous relationship?

This is for sure one of the most difficult and challenging tasks to accomplish when addressing problems in a relationship. After all, nobody wants to look at their part in creating and maintaining relational problems. However, unless we reflect on our role in the difficulties we experience, we stay stuck blaming our partner and we make no progress.

Why is it necessary for partners to reconnect with their past in order to maintain a healthy second marriage?

We are who we are today because of who we were yesterday, because of who we have been throughout our lives. There is continuity and consistency in the way we relate and attach to others, both as young children and as adults. Our past experiences of attachment and love determine, to a great extent, what we come to expect from intimacy, how we see ourselves, and where our main insecurities and fears lie.

The process of exploring and understanding our past and its role and influence in our current interpersonal challenges is extremely fruitful and relevant when done together with our partner, because it breaks down barriers and bonds us to one another in deeper and more intimate ways. However, in order to be healing, this experience requires honesty, openness, sincerity and authenticity on both partners' parts.

How can dreams bring helpful insights into the marriage?

Dreams do not predict the future, nor do they tell us what to do, literally. Rather, they point to areas that we might otherwise ignore, avoid, or deny because we do not want to, or feel we cannot, deal with them. At some deep level we "know" what is happening, but consciously we have no awareness of it. Dreams thus open up windows for us that show snippets of what's underneath the surface of things, providing us with a more in-depth view of reality, both internal and external, that enriches and adds more dimensions to our experiences.

What's the difference between a rough spot and what you call "the crossroads," which is more serious?

Reaching the crossroads feels quite different than hitting a rough spot. The difference is one of intensity and substance, just like the difference between sadness and depression. When we are sad, our feelings may be limited to an event, or a situation, but when we are depressed, the feelings of doom and gloom spread over everything and are everywhere. The same applies to the difference between hitting a rough spot and getting to the crossroads in a relationship. In the first case, the difficulties may be limited to a specific area or an event, and affect only certain feelings while other areas may be left unscathed. Couples, in these cases, may still feel love toward one another or, when their feelings change, the changes are typically momentary. Being at the crossroads, on the other hand, makes partners question everything in their relationship. The feelings they experience -- intense anger, rage, disappointment, frustration, powerlessness, hurt and fear -- typically last longer and are more endemic.

What should you do if you hit a rough spot in your second marriage?

You cannot tackle the "big" issues until you can feel empathy for each other again. And empathy requires moving away from the intense feelings that get couples to the crossroads and keeps them stuck there. When you are very angry with your partner, hurt, or intensely scared, you cannot access any empathy for him or her. You are too consumed by what's happening to you, and expect your partner to remove the pain by stopping what he or she is doing and making you feel better. So, tackling the big issues becomes an exercise in futility. You need to start from reconnecting via "neutral" areas first.

What are some ways to keep a second marriage strong?

In our book, we talk about the value and importance of creating "connecting bridges" between partners. These are ways in which partners relate with one another that build a common ground between them, relying on positive past experiences together. When connecting bridges are in place on a regular basis, they give partners the message that they are important to one another, valuable, cherished and, above all, loved. And, after all, this is what makes couples feel secure and trusting in intimate relationships.

 
 
 

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What happens when a psychoanalytic psychotherapist and a Jungian analyst get together to write a book for partners facing a crisis in their marriage? You get a fascinating mix of insights that draw on...
What happens when a psychoanalytic psychotherapist and a Jungian analyst get together to write a book for partners facing a crisis in their marriage? You get a fascinating mix of insights that draw on...
 
 
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10:58 AM on 05/11/2012
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Learn from your past mistakes, and those of others, don't say I Do!
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08:54 PM on 05/09/2012
If you take care of your first marriage, you do not have to worry about the second, third or fourth!
10:29 PM on 05/16/2012
You make a good point that, if we don't attend to the problems, they won't go away when we leave our partner, but they will follow us into the next relationship, and the next... and the next...
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
05:22 PM on 05/09/2012
"How Couples Can Prevent Divorce the Second Time Around", easy don't get married the second time. Seriously. Look, your divorce from the first marriage indicates that you have relationship problems, perhaps for a variety of reasons (age, maturity, infidelity, kids, whatever). Do you seriously think that these have mysteriously and successfully gone away--if you do, then you are delusional and will fail at marriage #2, just like in marriage #1.

Sorry to be such a bummer about this, but comes at this as a disinterested observer of the scene. See a couple for what they are and also take the statistics of marriage success rates, and is hard to give a blessing to marriage #2. But hey, maybe, just maybe it will succeed, but would you be willing to mortgage your house on that? I didn't think so.
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06:38 AM on 05/11/2012
How about don't do it at all!
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
01:53 PM on 05/11/2012
That was my point.

People marry for a variety of reasons, of course love being one reason. However, there are certainly economic factors that come into this equation also and usually these money matter eventually can become a key reason for marriage failures. Unfortunately, our tax code was designed to give economic incentive to marry and have kids. These economic issues can become very powerful reasons to both marry and then divorce.
10:35 PM on 05/16/2012
You are right, RedRat, relational problems develop in the interactions between two intimate partners. Thus each partner is 50% responsible for the problems and 50% responsible for their solutions. Getting rid of one partner in order to get rid of the problems is a fallacy that will keep us trapped in the same dysfunctional dynamics.
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RedRat
Ignorance is fixable, stupidty is forever
01:06 PM on 05/17/2012
Of course most people are of the belief that it is always the "other guy's fault", but I suspect that in a divorce, the reasons probably fall pretty close to 50/50, only rarely do they fall at either extreme--this is not to say that this does not happen, I am sure it does. However, I suspect that when the blame is spread around, both parties probably pretty much share evenly. Again, it is always the other person's fault--I guess this is a defense mechanism that we all employ.
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John96
05:15 PM on 05/09/2012
When you don't take the time to really get to know the other person you should not marry them. Finding out too late you don't like that person effects more than just the two of you. Any children you may have together, your parents, siblings, friends as well as whatever you have started to build together, gets destroyed or damaged. Besides if you are a religious individual and believe someday you would like to make your eternal home with your saviour then read about Divorce and Adultry in your Bible before you consider marriage. Last a marriage is not all peaches and cream and it takes a lot of work and giving to the other person to make it work. If you really care the little things will not matter to you and you will do something each day that lets your other half know you thought about them that day and did something that shows it without having to tell them. I've been married 45 years and married the girl who lived next door to me. We knew each other for more than 10 years before we realized we loved each other. I'm thankful for my marriage and will tell you the numbers sound ominous but in reality the time seems short. I'm just hoping we have a lot of years to go together. In our marriage we never tried to smother the others dreams, encouraging each other to try whatever they they wanted to do.
10:41 PM on 05/16/2012
Congratulations, John96 for your long marriage! You obviously have found the 'right' formula to keep your relationship alive and well. And this formula is: don't expect that everything will be easy and happy; be prepared for the bumps on the road and find healthy ways of addressing the problems when they come up.Best wishes for many more years of happiness together!
04:37 PM on 05/09/2012
If you go about it right, a second marriage can be great. I was in a lousy marriage for ten years. A divorce and then when I decided to mary again. We sat down and talked about what we wanted, needed and would put up with. It has resulted in a second marriage of 40 years plus and I care for her more than the day I married her. Marry and it gets better or worse, it does not stay the same
10:49 PM on 05/16/2012
It is true that not all second marriages are doomed to fail. Chwoosley, you seem to be the exception to the rule, because you and your second wife set good foundations and ground rules when you decided to get married.In general, however, second marriages are more likely to fail than first marriages, due to the fact that at times people leave one marriage and get into another one without addressing the problems, so these get transferred along.
evecaren
Every cloud has a silver lining
07:33 AM on 05/20/2012
"Second marriages are more likely to fail than first marriages." Are you speaking from
experience or did you just read that somewhere ?
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ladyblujay
Judith Parks-Stevens
03:59 PM on 05/09/2012
Well, it helps if they DON"T die on you! I've been widowed twice. Not trying for three times!
evecaren
Every cloud has a silver lining
08:41 AM on 05/20/2012
Ladyblujay. I'm so sorry for your loss. Peace be with you.
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OtayPanky
You're welcome
02:43 AM on 05/09/2012
Divorce stats (published recently in HuffPo):

- 1 of 2 first marriages
- 2 of 3 second marriages
- 3 of 4 third marriages.

Caveat emptor.
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Greg Albright
01:49 PM on 05/08/2012
The statistics for second marriages are grim. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior (thank you Dr Phil). You will probably cut and run on the second marriage as well.

At least there are articles like this one that make people feel better about the crap choices that they make.
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techchick64
03:06 PM on 05/08/2012
I say this with total compassion and empathy for you. You do realize how angry and hurt you sound, don't you? Life is too short to be so angry. A lot of bad things happen to people every day, many of them far worse than someone divorcing them, but it's each person's choice how they react. You can choose to be a victim, full of anger, or you can let it go and be full of joy. It's your choice.
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06:39 AM on 05/11/2012
I dunno - he's got honesty there !
10:51 PM on 05/16/2012
Or you can learn from it! This is another choice.