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Ethan Kahn

Ethan Kahn

Posted: February 17, 2011 01:27 PM

Foodies are decadent, hyperbolic, and cultureless obsessives -- or so says B.R. Myers in the most recent issue of the Atlantic. Ostensibly, his article is a review of four food-related books, but perhaps it would be best characterized as a rant, in which he rails against a "gourmet community [secure] in its newfound reputation...that it now proclaims the very qualities -- greed, indifference to suffering, the prioritization of food above all -- that earned it so much obloquy in the first place in the first place."

On the one hand, I agree with him. Foodies and their ilk have gotten a bit out of hand. Suffice it to say that a lot of the time, foodies can be insufferable creatures, constantly discussing how many Michelin-starred restaurants they've been too, what obscure dishes they've eaten, or what hidden ethnic-restaurant gems they've discovered in some bland strip mall. It's quite reminiscent of the hipster who promotes the band he loves that you've never heard of, and how he was the one who discovered Vampire Weekend before they were famous. It's interesting at first and gets tiresome very quickly.

But foodies represent a broad culture, one replete with both positive and negative aspects. Respect for food, a desire not to waste any of it, a desire to combat obesity, or revel in the cuisines of other cultures that have radical different flavors than ones' own, drawing attention to the problems within the American food production system, and a general open-mindedness -- these are good things.

In his diatribe, 'The Moral Crusade Against Foodies,' Myers sees and describes only the negative aspect of foodie culture and none of the positive. His take on foodies' concern for the lives of the animals that they've eaten, for instance, is narrow-minded to the extreme. Instead of seeing the good that comes from promoting small farming operations that treat their animals well, he sees "doublespeak," "affectation[s] of piety," and "feign[ed] concern" -- all on the part of the foodies.

Myers is a vegan, and he brings his biases to the table, turning the article into a subtle, clandestine polemic designed to stress the carnivorous aspect of foodie culture as degeneracy. Almost every single anecdote or example that he gives as a sign of the foodies' decadence and hypocrisy involves meat, fish, or game.

The few, and I mean few examples he gives that don't involve flesh are brought to the table to rail against the obsessive nature of the foodie. Myers is unable to understand why someone would devote "Eight pages [to] marshmallow fluff" or "expound[] unironically on the 'ritual' of making the perfect slice [of milk toast]."

Note that these are both comfort foods, in a sense -- marshmallow fluff is reminiscent of childhoods, happy ones if they were spent with some marshmallow fluff, and milk toast involves sugar, butter, toast, and warm milk -- a dish that just sounds reassuring. To this inability to understand nostalgia, I want to say, "My god man. Do you not understand that food, a multi-sensual experience, has the ability to tie in indelibly with our memories, so that someone might actual feel passion for a particular food, and want to explore it through their pen, and perhaps honor it in their own way??" This type of food writer, the borderline obsessive, the "milk toast priest," write as much for themselves as they do for us.

But Myers fails to see this. He fails to comprehend, as Francis Lam puts it, "that there might be value, however odd or small, in this kind of examination. He offers no sense, even, that a person interested in food can actually process it as an interest." This is a cold person indeed, who rejects outright that can be really enjoyable, and thus deserving of praise. Food can be, and is to so many people, more than simple nourishment. We, as humans, don't eat flavorless, vitamin-filled mush for breakfast, lunch, and diner, because we like taste. We enjoy eating -- and Myers won't see this.

It's a shame, really, because by affecting a purely contrary and vitriolic position, he weakens the most powerful part of his article. The presence of gluttony in foodie culture is certain something that we can all agree should go, just as easily as we can all agree that it should be banished from American culture. Unfortunately, though, Myers groups all foodies under the banner of gluttony -- surely this isn't correct. After all, the mantra of Michael Pollan, whose book, The Omnivore's Dilemma, Myers explains "now informs all food writing" is: "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants." Gorging is conspicuously absent. Instead, Myers would have us believe that every foodie is Anthony Bourdain -- letting alone the common knowledge that Bourdain's shtick is impudence and hyperbole, and that he writes in such a way as to attract outrage or controversy.

Gluttony amongst the foodie world isn't right -- but to fallaciously suggest that all foodies are devoted to "the same mindless, sweating gluttony" is a deliberate mischaracterization. We could give Myers the benefit of the doubt, and suppose that he's specifically discussing the books that he's reviewing. That would be an error on our part, though, since Myers makes it clear that it's the entire foodie world that falls prey to this vice.

Hypocrisy makes an appearance in the article, too, as Myers tries to excoriate foodies for "their traditional elitism" (this is his basic tack throughout the entire article). He does so, though, without realizing that he's the one staring down his noses at "these people" -- his words, I kid you not. Over the course of the article, he criticizes foodies because "no one shows much interest in literature or the arts -- the real arts," because they "eat with the indiscriminate omnivorousness of a rat in a zoo dumpster," and as mentioned before, they write odes singing the praises of specific foods. But by assuming the moral and intellectual high ground, he instead ends up ceding it through his judgments and outright dismissals. Who knows -- there might just be something to the resume of foods that Bourdain's eaten: "'I've eaten raw seal, guinea pig. I've eaten bat.'"

But even if Myers were not a vegan, he would never deign to try these foods. They're below him, after all, even if they are what another culture subsists on or even loves. Here he betrays his inability to consider other perspectives or to accept other points of view. And yet he chooses to close his essay with this: "[Foodies] are certainly single-minded, however, and single-mindedness--even in less obviously selfish forms--is always a littleness of soul."

I'll leave it to you, readers, to decide who's displayed the littleness of soul.

 
 
 
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05:26 PM on 02/28/2011
Who is more of an ultimate foodie than a vegan? Who is more obsessed with purity, righteousness and moral superiority than those folks? Nobody. To me that's the essence of foodie behavior.

I enjoy Anthony Bourdain. His tastes are far from exclusive...... in fact, in light of his passion and admiration for dishes of the common man using obscure animal parts, I think he revels in food that can only be considered, traditional in nature.

Sure he visits the trendy futuristic restaurants from time to time, but if you watch him regularly you know his eyes really light up when someone says bone marrow or street food.
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Max Shaw
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03:00 PM on 02/23/2011
Food is subjective, at best. If everyone listens to 'foodies' than we'd all be pretentious eaters with our heads up our own a**..I enjoy the cultures and foods from around the world without feeling like I'm better than anyone. There's no reason for it. And after a good meal, there's no room for it.

But watching people like Anthony Bourdain allows me to live vicariously through his travels and culinary adventures. I know I wont be able to eat in all the countries he's been but thats okay. I dont fault him for being a 'foodie' if thats the term for it. People work their whole lives developing their OWN unique palette and not everything is going to be their liking--let alone everyon elses'.

So who cares? Really, at the end of the day, you just have to eat what you like and try to enjoy it in such a way that it doesnt make you snob. An easy way to do this, is to remember that the majority of people dont get the privilege to eat at 5-star restaurants or travel to distant to lands to have some good curry..Just be grateful that your able to broaden your tastebuds' horizons and remember that not everyone is going to agree with you about what tastes good.
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06:06 PM on 02/21/2011
Vegans are the original "foodies". If any sub-group of the food culture is fanatical or preachy it's Vegans. Talk about eating with your nose in the air.
jaslyn
don't go away mad, just go away
03:59 PM on 02/19/2011
to say that healthy eating is eating flavorless vitamin filled mush is also just as judgemental on this writer's part. He clearly has never ventured away from eating his 'tasty' animal products. It's all perspective and what you've been exposed to. Food seems to be like religion to people. Stop judging, because the act of judgment smells of elitism.
01:58 AM on 02/20/2011
The act of not judging smells of cowardice and denial, though.

We are all going to judge. It's a good idea to try to be balanced about it, though. You can't ask for more than that without kidding yourself.
05:28 PM on 02/28/2011
jaslyn, it's ironic for you to chide someone as being judgmental while being judgmental yourself.
07:28 PM on 02/18/2011
I haven't read Mr. Myers book, but i do take my hat off to vegans. I did it for three weeks and lost 15 lbs. And I've kept the 15 lbs off with watching my diet, etc. but I eat meat. Grass fed when I can get it. Game (real game, i.e. not farm raised game) when i can get it. But i think the greater point is that food is culture. It's a shared experience with others of a like mind (and sometimes not), and the 'breaking of bread" together makes and breaks friendships. Food isn't just about food. It's about sharing an experience. Meat, the gathering of it, hunting, fishing, etc. is also about sharing an experience. As long as all of it is done responsibly, (which i agree it isn't too often, but this isn't the foodie, it's commercial enterprises) I just don't see where the "beef" is. And an entire book about it, no less, I find mind boggling.
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Lauren Kottwitz
There must be some kind of way out of here...
05:00 PM on 02/18/2011
Wow... people are... REALLY worked up about this. I eat what I eat because I like food. It sustains me and, in addition to that, is yummy. There is certainly a place in this life for superbly delicious food - just the way that there's a place in this life for good art, music, theater, a good hike, a good swim, a beautiful love, etc. If we were not meant to enjoy food, we would not have been given taste buds.

There certainly is a place in this life for social responsibility too, and I think Myers has a point about certain foodies and certain food programs promoting unhealthy eating habits that seem an attempt to utterly decimate any concern for the starving people all over this world of ours (ahem... Man v. Food, ahem...).

All of that said, why are people arguing about veganism?
07:37 PM on 02/18/2011
"In general, mankind, since the improvement in cookery, eats twice as much as nature requires." - Benjamin Franklin

"Ben Franklin loved food. Just look at how fat he was." Miss Pace, my 4th grade teacher

What is seen as unhealthy to some is not seemed unhealthy by all. Mr. Richman's show is about eating. It is a travel show first, but one with a stunt at the end. Is doing a challenge now promoting unhealthy eating habits? Is it gluttony? What about the challenges where he eats super hot foods? Those challenges aren't about copious amounts of food. All the places he eats at are independently owned and operated, they are not "chain" restaurants. He is not a "sport" eater, he just likes to promote and support independent places.

Being an American male, I can tell you that in my youth, at places near the college I went, there were a number of eating challenges. I was dared to try one. A three pound burrito that if finished in under an hour you would get the food for free. Being of impoverished means it seemed like an easy task. I was so wrong. In the end I paid for the burrito and the sickness that came with it. I was young and being in friendly competition is what males do. That's Man vs. Food. It's a young man's right of passage. You don't see forty+ year old's doing it as men generally have leaned their lesson by that then.
I-US
Beware the monsters lurking in word swamps.
03:02 PM on 02/18/2011
At no place in the Myers piece does he say that these foods are beneath him. When he does refer to the foodie examples from the books he is discussing, he points out the obsession with the obscure, the exotic, the hard-to-come-by and the exaggerated sensual response that emerges out of this obsession. While he does criticize those foodies who engage in a form of gluttony that does not inevitably lead to obesity, he is also highlighting the aesthetics of the grotesque that has come to mark foodie culture--the disemboweling of an animal and the literally visceral feeling it gives the disemboweler, the feasting on an endangered bird, the unsustainable practices that prop up the foodie culture, and so on.
08:38 PM on 02/18/2011
So food writers write about the experience­s of food and not about theater, what a shock. So when does gourmet eating become gluttony? This can only be answered by the eater themselves­. I think B. R. Meyers wants to answer this question for all of us. His constant questionin­g of Bourdain and Pollan in the article is particular­ly telling of what type of person Meyers might be. Sour and unfeeling about a passion for food. Life is about food. It is what drives life itself for we all must eat. Meyers tries to make it sound as if we are all brutish louts bent on the eating of endangered animals and internal bits. This is not what food and food writing is about.

Do you also feel the same way about Alice Waters? Mr. Meyers takes her writing to task for writing about the eating of meat. Mr. Pollan and Ms. Waters talk about humane/local ways of raising animals for food. Does the killing aspect of animals rile you so? Are you a moralist in regard to sustainability of where, we who eat meat, get our meat? You paint with a wide brush that all "foodies" are somehow complicit with the eating of "endangered species" and what you term "grotesque", "obscure", "exotic" and "hard-to-come by". What do you do with the rest of the animal that has graced us with it's presence at our table? You eat every bit. Nose to tail. Honor the animal. Waste nothing.
I-US
Beware the monsters lurking in word swamps.
12:00 AM on 02/19/2011
It's pretty obvious that Myers just doesn't like Bourdain, but I don't think he is opposed to gourmet eating. He is reviewing several recent books that glorify what he finds most abhorrent in the foodie movement. That's what I was commenting about.

I find it absolutely fascinating that my comments here, which do not advocate veganism but instead assail wrong-headed opinions about it, are taken as homiletic. This is an inexplicable and misplaced default position of defensiveness.
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ValdaDeDieu
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10:34 AM on 02/18/2011
Good food nourishes more than just the body. Good food, its preparation, and appreciation, adds value to one's life, nurtures bonds and friendships, stirs the soul, as well as the senses...

Vegans are today's Puritans, on a crusade that has no real morality, since it is against Divine order as well as Nature. Labeling appreciation of food as "gluttony" is as histrionic, and ridiculous as deeming a happily married couple's appreciation of wild sex with each other "immorality."
I-US
Beware the monsters lurking in word swamps.
12:45 PM on 02/18/2011
Veganism is not against nature. I'm quite certain you're not an obligate carnivore. And I don't recall anything about Jesus eating foie gras or the Buddha dining on beluga caviar and fugu.
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ValdaDeDieu
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02:04 PM on 02/18/2011
I believe it is. And yes, yes I am--as much so as any feline. And I don't recall (this same) Jesus Christ commanding that we eat only plants, either.
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ValdaDeDieu
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10:13 PM on 02/20/2011
So now you claim, when you argue here, to represent all these wonderful, enlightened, infallible institutions. How wonderful for you, that you can simply apply credentials to yourself, albeit of dubious origin... One word for you: THALIDOMIDE. Yep. It was once "recommended" by august, distinguished medical authorities too...
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
08:32 AM on 02/18/2011
Kahn is bringing his own carrion -eating biases to this article, enjoying the suffering of animals raised to be killed for consumption by fat , drooling vultures, engorged on dead flesh. See there it works both ways. Eat vegan or don't. What is with the pointless conformity? Get a mind of your own and stop trying to make everything the same. Both writers have some points, but morally and health wise the vegan runs out front. But hey, enjoy your clogged arteries and strokes, you worked for it and you deserve the results.
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Eric Mann
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12:17 PM on 02/19/2011
Morally? Arguable, as all morals are.
Health-wise? Again, arguable. I know vegans who eat more fried chick peas than the entire state of Israel. I will totally give you that Americans eat too much meat. But if we retrained our tastes to eat one meat meal a day we would be totally ok, and the health issue would not be an issue. What you, among other people fail to realize is that in order to correct the health issues with the American diet, elimination of meat is not needed, only a reduction in how much and what cuts we eat. That and vegans do not have any sort of monopoly on healthy eating. Then you have Mercola talking about eating more coconut oil-LOADED with saturated fat-as a way of life. Sorry, you do not have any sort of moral or health authority.
Us "enlightened omnivores" have found the third path, and like Captain Kirk and the Kobiyashi Maru, the third path is what gets the commendations.
11:00 PM on 02/17/2011
Mr. Myers and Mr. Kahn are right. Both should get off their high-horses.

There is a reason why food tastes better in France, why the produce offered in a small town's bi-weekly market is better than that offered in our grocery stores. There is a reason why in some American cities (NYC or SF) one can walk into nearly any restaurant and get a palatable or great or breathtaking meal. Food is part of the culture, a culture with high expectations. Butchers, bakers, grocers and restauranteurs, strive to meet those expectations. Foodies contribute to the expansion of food culture by making expectations clear. Unfortunately, too many foodies use their newly acquired tastes to set themselves apart from the middling classes. To them food is a social distinction, not a passion. Instead of exploring the food world to find fault and hoarding it to their breast until they can scurry to their blog to report the shortcoming, they should have the courage to tell the restauranteur, butcher, etc. their concerns and to add what they did like, no matter how small it might be.
As to Mr. Myers, I have to admit the vitriol of his article was so offputting that I only read half of it. To say that foodies lack culture is silly. Foodies taste and feel culture through their taste buds and sense of feel. Art-lovers see culture. Music lovers hear culture. Literature is for those who love all culture.
I have no more room.
10:54 PM on 02/17/2011
Let's be honest. If you are discussing food in this way you do not know anything about hunger, nor are you in any danger of being hungry. It's a luxury. The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization's most recent estimate, released in October 2010 by FAO, says that 925 million people are undernourished worldwide.
If people want to truly make a difference, some should just put down the fork, step away from the PC and try to contribute something positive to society.
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09:31 AM on 02/18/2011
I am a chef instructor and a foodie. I teach healthy cooking and eating habits and promote sustainability and eating local when possible. Just because there are many hungry people in this world, does not mean that I do not make a positive contribution to society. How about this... you contribute positively to society the way you see fit, and I will contribute the way I see fit.
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05:24 AM on 03/01/2011
How is it not possible to do both? I donate to my local food bank, but that doesn't numb me into a state where I'm too emotionally raw to cook a gourmet meal. If you're going to suggest that one suffer equally, until injustice is gone, you're probably on the wrong planet.
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grailknight
is happily godless
06:56 PM on 02/17/2011
Myers is a vegan. All else is mere commetary!
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
04:56 PM on 02/17/2011
Hmmm wonder if anyone can find a like to Myers and Corporate Ag.....seems to me like the Early Soylent Corporation-first rail against meat, then obession with organics and food sources and flavor and taste, set folks up to get used to eating crackers made with 'mystery stuff' and don't quesition it, just be ready when Soylent has the monopoly on food, so we'll all be 'norished' not fed, not eating as a pleasurable experience, just go get the cracker and eat it and wait for the next announcement of Soylent (color) distribution day and gawd don't even question where it comes from, we're feeding exploding human populations and that's good, don't ask about anything else.......

oh yeah SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
10:55 PM on 02/17/2011
as long as its organic Soylent Green - its better for you...
03:17 PM on 02/17/2011
I'm with B.R. Myers... even if he is a vegan. Foodies and their Food Network/Cooking Channel are to food what MTV is to music.
07:23 PM on 02/17/2011
I was going to bite and I'm glad I didn't. I went on over to the James Beard Awards article and got what I was looking for, articulate comments between you and another poster. I too believe that the term "foodie" means to some "Hey I like food so I must be a foodie." I agree with your comments that some find the "movement" cool. If you would like to see where this got started go over to the Francis Lam rebuttal lower down on the Food home page. I pretty much state my case there.

I do not believe that the Food Network started out to be the next MTV. I think it has become that way over time. Their representatives have stated that they do not believe that anyone can learn by watching TV. Thus we now have competitions and "Best Thing I Ever Ate" shows galore. The Cooking Channel actually has some good programming in older shows by Julia Child, Galloping Gourmet, Two Fat Laddies and Iron Chef Japan. They have cooking shows based on Caribbean, Indian, Chinese, Italian and Vietnamese cuisines. They are also getting worse with the same "Best of" travel shows, Rachael Ray, Bobby Flay and other Food Network Star losers with shows of their own which I refuse to watch.

I mostly stick to real cooking programing without commercials on PBS or Create. That is where the real cooking shows have always been.
07:43 PM on 02/17/2011
LOL... it's like you read my mind!

PBS is king in my book! I've got a special place in my heart for Lidia! Food Network is unwatchable. Cooking Channel has its good shows and its bad shows... I only hope that they don't trade some of the wonderful shows that they have for more ratings boosting episodes of Guy Fieri and that girl who looks like a female Guy Fieri.

We may disagree on what the foodie movement actually is but I'm pretty sure we're in the same boat when it comes to food itself (which is what it's all about)! Thanks for the advice on the Francis Lam thing. I'm going to check it out right now!
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Ethan Kahn
01:45 PM on 02/18/2011
"I do not believe that the Food Network started out to be the next MTV. I think it has become that way over time."

I think the comparison between FN and MTV is an excellent one, and Dr. Funkenstein, I like your analogy. MTV started out trying to be a unique thing, and gradually succumbed to market pressures so that it doesn't resemble what it once was - we're left with crap. Same thing with FN. In my opinion, the best food shows are those that are challenging, teach us something useful, or show us new things we would never have been exposed too - my two personal favorites would be Julia Child and Iron Chef Japan.

Thanks for the comments - and I was not trying to take a dig at Myers for being a vegan. I just think that helps us understand where he is coming from.
09:40 PM on 02/20/2011
I agree with your entire comment except about the part about the cooking channel. Food network is a bunch of talentless fame whores (save iron chef morimoto), but the cooking channel is legit.