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In Republican Debates, Ideology Trumps Intelligent Immigration Policy

Posted: 01/23/2012 8:35 pm

Living in Los Angeles I drive by multi-car pile-ups on the freeway at least once a week. An occurrence so common that it no longer shocks or surprises. Yet it is impossible to take your eyes off the wreckage.

Similarly, you'd think that when the Republican presidential candidates debate each other I would simply look away, turn the volume down on the TV, and wait until the obligatory segment on immigration "policy" is over. Really, how many ideological wrecks posing as "solutions" to America's immigration crisis can one listen to?

And yet, the second South Carolina GOP debate sure felt like rush hour on the 405 Freeway, America's biggest bumper-car ride. Rick Santorum, recently endorsed by a group of prominent Evangelical Christians, was joined by establishment favorite Mitt Romney in bashing Newt Gingrich's proposals on immigration.

The former Speaker's rather modest immigration proposal - to allow people who have been in the U.S. at least 25 years to apply to a "World War II-style Draft Board" made up of local citizens who will then decide whether to deport or allow these people to stay with their families - was forcefully rejected during the debate by Gingrich's competitors.

In a deliberate attempt to satisfy the anti-immigrant wing of the GOP, Santorum and Romney expressed positions on immigration so radical, so destructive to the American economy, our historical heritage and to our collective sense of decency, that the car wreck metaphor truly took hold.

Both Santorum, the son of Italian immigrants, and Mexican-American Romney bid for the title of Most Divisive onstage. While both men speak constantly about their Christian faith and the centrality of family to their core beliefs, their approach to immigration is much closer to ethnic cleansing than an actual immigration policy that strengthens America.

In short, the former Senator from Pennsylvania and the ex-Governor of Massachusetts are advocating mass deportations - 11 million people sent back "home." To be clear, Gingrich's supposedly more "humane" approach would result, as the Speaker said during the debate, in "most of them go[ing] home." The "them" in this instance are undocumented immigrants who have been in the U.S. fewer than 25 years.

Putting aside for the moment the horrendous human and moral costs of deporting 11 million people (a number of people comparable to the whole population of Belgium), tearing families and communities apart in the process, this is simply bad economic policy.

Daniel Griswold, a senior scholar at the Cato Institute, has documented the self-defeating nature of the GOP's harsh enforcement approach to immigration. Recently writing in the National Review, Griswold stated that "Study after study confirms that immigrants help to boost the productivity and incomes of native-born Americans. A 2009 Cato Institute study by Peter Dixon and Maureen Rimmer calculated that legalizing low-skilled immigration would boost the collective income of U.S. households by $180 billion per year."

Moreover, beyond the hit to economic growth that mass deportations would cause, there is the actual cost of a deportation policy. In 2010, the Center for American Progress undertook a comprehensive study of the financial impact of the deportation approach advocated by Santorum and Romney.

According to the study's authors, "the total five-year immigration enforcement cost under a mass deportation strategy would be approximately $285 billion." These are direct costs to tax payers - it does not include the loss in economic activity represented by immigrant labor and consumption, taxes paid by immigrants and the decreased productivity across the U.S. economy as workers basically disappear.

For the GOP hopefuls now battling it out in South Carolina, it is clear that taking a hard-line on undocumented people is good politics. But beyond the hypocrisy of parading your Christian bona fides while advocating the breaking up of millions of families, these supposed saviors of the American economy seem to be completely disconnected from the real-world impact of their policy positions.

At a time when America is trying to bring its budget into balance, keep our military the preeminent fighting force in the world, and rebuild our transportation and education infrastructure to effectively compete in the 21st century, the Romney-Santorum mass deportation approach to immigration policy is, to paraphrase New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, a form of "national suicide."

As last week's "pile-up" showed, it's time to reveal the candidates' proposed solutions for the wrecks they truly are.

 

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Daniel Key
04:49 AM on 01/24/2012
I'd say ideology from both sides of the spectrum keep immigration on the back burner.

Dems:

Want to allow anyone in for any reason, but also want to guarantee them a social safety net, public education, and a minimum wage.

Reps:

Want to keep everyone out because they end up being a burden on the entitlement systems and the economy.

If you actually want to solve this problem, you end the entitlement system and minimum wage laws and make immigration as easy as signing your name...otherwise this debate will go on for eternity.
12:19 AM on 01/24/2012
Fernando the only thing that bothers me is that they forgot that they are undocumented imigrants from other countries, I knew of one that is from South America and he's skin is white, people do not bother like they do to those who are more dark skin. I feel that it is not racism because of imigration status, I feel that is because of our color skin and that makes me sad. In my opinion when the whites peaple came to this land of North America from Europe many generations ago, they came to kill Indian Americans "at least we are not doing these atrocities that their ancestors did with the natives of these American lands"
02:18 AM on 01/24/2012
Unfortunately history has been made, and Native americans did suffer. But to justify a sovereign nation's taxpayers to continue subsidizing illegals is not the same. They jack up healthcare, education, and insurance costs. Sure they fill low wage jobs. But let them leave and employers would have to raise wages for taxpaying citizens. Don't let your race vision get in the way of the damage they do to our culture and financial state. Please stay in Mexico, China, Korea, South Africa, and dont complain if you come here, you dont like the policy.
11:40 PM on 01/23/2012
None of these guys have a decent immigration policy.

http://paranoidpolitico.blogspot.com/2012/01/my-what-lovely-tea-party.html
10:54 PM on 01/23/2012
corporate capitalism free enterprise - have led to the creation of the "undocumented" population in the U.S. - and thats why anybody for big ag and resterant association - is doomed to fail being elected - atomatically. best your going to get is a pass to work here and no amount of time will make you true americans - renewed every 3 yaer after a criminal back ground check - and for you goodie 2 shoes - you'ld be opening the door to massive family violance - from these people that can not and are incapable of knowing the simple law of not to break and enter other peoples stuff - now isn't there a commandment that says that????
02:20 AM on 01/24/2012
I didnt follow your capatilist free enterprise comparison to "massive family violence"?
10:46 PM on 01/23/2012
The thiefts cry for mercy - as the hangman walks upon the gallows - What part of they have no legal standing in these United States don't you GET??? There is nobody stopping them taking there kids back to mexico and starting a business - you and the rest of the goodie 2 shoes can go with them - what part of - a thief has no leggs to stand on in the court of law - and is not intitled to any type of am-nasty - and if they put there kids in a situation like they did - IT'S THERE FAULT - and Americans don't have to deal with anything other then holding the door open for them to go back to mexico - and GOD willing back to spain itself - you break the law expect to be punished what part of that are you incapable of understanding???? is that too comprehinsive for you???? 70% more says GO BACK FROM WHICH YOU CAME - we don't need to allow the biggest racist human rights violaters to stay here.... PROTEC THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FIRST!!!!
02:21 AM on 01/24/2012
Thank you, Mexico is such a craphole, they want to bring it to America. I say not.
06:07 PM on 01/23/2012
It's a question of trust. In 1986 Ted Kennedy said of Simpson-Mazzoli: “This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this.”

The supporters of amnesty for Illegal Immigrants cannot understand why those of us who were around in 1986 are loath to make another “Comprehensive Immigration Reform” deal. In 1986 the Simpson-Mazzoli deal was tough enforcement in return for amnesty. Only half the deal was delivered. Amnesty was given, but those who agreed to tough enforcement turned around and did everything possible to successfully sabotage ALL tough enforcement.

Now 25 years later it is the same old song and dance - tough enforcement in exchange for amnesty lite called "a pathway to legalization". Of course just like in 1986 the amnesty is supposed to come first with the tough enforcement done later. Each of the “undocumented” 11 million stand as silent testimony to the failure of those who shield Illegal Immigrants from the Law to stand by the deal they made in 1986. Deporting a small fraction of the Illegal Immigrants in the USA and saying “system works” is a joke.

Until it can be demonstrated there are the resources available to enforce our law no Comprehensive Immigration Deal can possibly be workable. It will be a failure as long as the current limited resources that allow people to live illegally in the USA continue to exist.
09:57 PM on 01/23/2012
The most effective immigration enforcement tool we have is to take the most "deserving" cases and make an example of them. Anyone who has been living in this country illegally for five years should see us deport someone who has been here for 25 years and conclude, in Spanish, most likely: "Whoa, if they deport this grandmother who has been here for 25 years, there's no hope for me." Once we get this message across, our current and future illegal immigration problem will begin to diminish.
05:46 PM on 01/23/2012
You put an extra word in your title. It should have been "In Republican debates ideology trumps intelligent policy".

Indeed, in Republican debates, ideology trumps fact and truth.

I need say no more.
02:23 AM on 01/24/2012
Please explain why economic freedom, prosperity, low taxes, and a strong military is a bad thing?
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Daniel Key
04:54 AM on 01/24/2012
Anyone who thinks one party is dumb and the other party is smart can not be taken seriously...
05:32 PM on 01/23/2012
Shame on any Latino voter who votes for the Republican candidate---ANY Republican candidate.
06:54 PM on 01/23/2012
An individual can chose on their own, and educate themselves to the facts.
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jgmambo
vive la vida loca, independent voter
08:45 PM on 01/23/2012
Shame on me because I want only legal
05:08 PM on 01/23/2012
In the GOP, ideology trumps everything else. The GOP supports numerous policies that have no empirical support, such as tax cuts paying for themselves and deregulation increasing jobs. Immigration policy is just another policy on which Republicans take an "Alice In Wonderland" approach to serious issues.
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Daniel Key
04:57 AM on 01/24/2012
Both Dems and GOP are equally ideological and allow it to trump everything else. The Dems have it half right on civil liberties and the reps have it half right on the economy. Everything else, both parties have the exact same views on - massive government will solve everything.
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BlairCase
04:28 PM on 01/23/2012
Both sides in the illegal immigration debate should compromise. We should make E-Verify mandatory and permit all states to enact and enforce immigration laws that mirror federal immigration laws, including tough sanctions against business that hire undocumented immigants. We should issue national identification cards, at least to people who have no driver's licenses, just as they do in some European countries. In exchange, we should offer undocumented immigrant families that have established themselves in our society permanent resident status. (Personally, I think the 25 years that Newt suggests is much too long.) They would be able to legally work and live in the United States and draw state and federal benefits, but they would not be allowed to vote unless they are willing to leave the country anfd apply for citizenship. Their descendants, of course would have full rights.
05:26 PM on 01/23/2012
"we should offer undocument­ed immigrant families that have establishe­d themselves in our society permanent resident status."

The problem with this approach is that anybody and everybody who is here illegally is going to be considered 'established in our society'. The politicians who are in their pockets and their ethnic advocacy groups like NCLR will see to it. If you specify a number of years that they must be here, all they are going to do is acquire forged documents that show they have been here that long. Lastly, there is no such thing as a one time amnesty. If you allow illegal aliens who are here now to stay with our blessings, all you will be doing is opening the door for the next wave of 20 million or so who are simply going to await the next serial amnesty. When dealing with illegal aliens, if you give them an inch they will take a mile. Every time.
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jgmambo
vive la vida loca, independent voter
09:16 PM on 01/23/2012
I feel the same way, my friend.
04:22 PM on 01/23/2012
FALSE, FALSE, FALSE on every count. How much did it cost american taxpayers to bring the 14-20 MILLION illegal immigrants into the country? Nothing. If you actually enforce a nationwide implimentation of the existing immigration policy and do away with loopholes, exceptions, presidential orders and sactuary cities and make it to where illegal immigrants can't: get a job, rent a home/apt., open a bank account, get a driver's license or insurance or register or buy a vehicle, get welfare, food stamps, free healthcare, or enroll in school. If you don't reward their criminal behavior by offering their children the gateway, golden ticket of citizenship, they will stop coming and those that are here will go home THE SAME WAY THEY CAME. All one need do is look at California's failing economy to see the real impact of illegal immmigration on the national economy. It is certainly NOT a benefit. Legal immigrants are welcome and encouraged. ILLEGAL must leave and the sooner the better.
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Edguy52
Resist and Exist: Obama 2012
04:57 PM on 01/23/2012
You're the false one. Hahahahahahhaha...
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ugly american
Just say "No!" But to What?
06:14 PM on 01/23/2012
It appears to be working exactly that way in Alabama. Since they now have to present legitimate ID for almost anything, illegal foreigners have been leaving in droves.
And their unemployment rate has improved by a couple of percentage points since the jobs held by foreigners opened up.
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Daniel Key
05:00 AM on 01/24/2012
Sorry dude...California's failing economy is not because of illegal immigration. It is because it is giving away free shit to everyone, including immigrants. If you don't have an entitlement system in the first place, illegal immigration makes not one bit of difference...it's actually a good thing, where people who are willing to work for very low wages ARE ABLE TO WORK.
04:06 PM on 01/24/2012
Right to work is fine but I disagree as far as the effect of illegal immigration on california economy. The politicians won't ever admit it because just like Obama, they want to trade largesse and freebies for votes. Illegals in cal have MULTIPLE SS#, apply for benefits under different names and when people argue, illegals are precluded from receiving benefits, they just don't understand the game. While the laws sometimes do state that illegals are not eligible for benefits, what it doesn't say is that citizenship must be verified. So basically its a welfare version of don't ask/don't tell. Not to mention that once they start having children stateside, its lotto time! wooohooo. Want to see the REAL effect of illegal immigration on california and ultimately the U.S.? One need not look any further than Maywood, CA.
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Nosybear
Liar, damned liar and statistician
03:46 PM on 01/23/2012
In the Republican debates, ideology trumps any intelligent thought. All I've seen is a contest to see who is most ideologically pure, can deliver the best shots and who hates Barrack Obama most. The Republican priorities for 2012 are not jobs, economies, housing, health care but defeating Barrack Obama. That's it, their only priority for this year. It's all that matters, that and making the 1% a bit richer. Immigration policy? Sorry, that takes a back seat to defeating Obama.
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jgmambo
vive la vida loca, independent voter
09:20 PM on 01/23/2012
Welcome to Politics !
01:39 PM on 01/23/2012
The "immigrants" that the GOP continue to vilify are now being compared to animals when referencing treatment of them as "humane". What part of logic is telling a minority voting force that they will be given "human" treatment? Is this a way to convince this "immigrant" sector that human treatment would be reason to vote for them? The Latino voters are much more savvy than to believe that hogwash. A vote for any Republican by any Latino is assuring a one way bus ticket south.
04:30 PM on 01/23/2012
PROMISE? If that were infact the truth, the GOP would win in a landslide.
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ringo3khan
01:31 PM on 01/23/2012
Having a masterful command of the obvious, I'd like to point out three truths to this whole issue. 1) Most of us who've observed this train wreck for the last 30 years know that regardless of what Republican candidates might bloviate about on the campaign trail.......nothing happens, nothing gets fixed because there isn't a politically viable "fix"; and because it benefits Republican business interests to maintain the status quo which is the perpetual open borders policy; and 2) no one in their right minds thinks that the Republican party will ever win over much, if any, of the "Hispanic" community; the Republican party is the Anglo/European-Non-Hispanic American Party; they're a slowly dying demographic, passing away into the ashbin of history; kinda like.....John Wayne and finally 3) This primary fiasco points to one certainty. The Republican party is breaking up and is sure to follow its demographic into the ashbin of history. For Hispanics, that might be a good thing but having only one viable party presents Hispanics with a whole other set of problems.
01:48 PM on 01/23/2012
You seem to be promoting some stereotypes. I thought that was supposed to be bad. Last year in July a poll was conducted on Latinos on this very subject. The poll found "52% approval" by those "who do not personally know someone caught up in deportation" (47% of those surveyed) supporting the lack of progress on "Comprehensive Immigration Reform". Statistically this equates to 24% of all those surveyed. Also according to the data there was "35% approval" by those who “do personally know someone caught up in deportation” (53% of those surveyed). This represents an additional 19% of all those surveyed approving of no progress. Add these two figures together and the result is fully 43% of Latino Voters approved of President Obama's lack of progress on "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" versus 57% who do not.

This means that Latino Voters feelings on immigration approximately reflect the way they voted Democrat versus Republican in the Bush/Kerry election of 2004. That also means the dire prophecies of Republican disaster for not supporting "Comprehensive Immigration Reform" are just smoke and mirrors. In fact, just like other Americans, Latino voters will vote based on historic voting patterns, such as unemployment and economic opportunity, rather than the stereotype of single issue politics.
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Daniel Key
05:01 AM on 01/24/2012
Such a childish and naive way to view it all...cute.
01:22 PM on 01/23/2012
Still waiting for the author to explain his "ethnic cleansing" remark.....
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voyager48
Illegitimi Non Carborundum
04:03 PM on 01/23/2012
The play book says - when all else fails - play the race card!
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Fernando Espuelas
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Edguy52
Resist and Exist: Obama 2012
05:05 PM on 01/23/2012
Does he need to explain it? Don't take words of context. Read between the lines. We're talking about IMMIGRATION deportation here.
07:05 PM on 01/23/2012
Repatriating illegal aliens to their countries of origin, countries that they ARE citizens of, can hardly be equated with ethnic cleansing.