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The Wild Goose 'Revival' for Doubters and Jesus Victims (Like Me)

Posted: 06/27/2011 7:24 am

I just got home from the 4-day Wild Goose Festival held in Shakori Hills, N.C. Peeing in the woods at night was better than using the porta potties and when the breeze died down it was hot and humid. But with a beer tent, old friends from the UK to drink with and a three-hour lunch with Jim Wallis and his stunningly wonderful wife Joy plying us with paper cups full of wine as we talked -- what's not to love?

Gareth Higgins (who invited me and was a founding organizer of the festival), Tony Jones, Jim Wallis, Fr. Richard Rohr, Brian McLaren, Scott Teems, Anna Clark, Vincent Harding, Diana, Butler Bass, Samir Selmanovic, Paul F. Knitter and 30 or so other progressive religious (or sort of religious, or mostly religious, or almost religious) writers, authors, whatever, spoke. Richard Rohr gave a fantastic talk on human character development. Jim Wallis called us movingly, sanely well to organize, march and provide the wind behind Obama's sails in order to change his priorities from war to education, compassion and justice. I did my bit introducing my new book, "Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics -- and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway," and people seemed to like what I said, so that was nice.

The promo material said Wild Goose would be "transformational" and it was. I discovered my new favorite singer songwriter there -- the sublime Lydia Ruffin and her album The Feast of Life. Many if not most of the 1,200 or so of us were/are renegades, rejects and runaways from one or another sort evangelical background. The rest of us were between the ages of newborn to 12, so for every "grownup" there were two kids, a happy mix that provided a blur of painted faces, balloons and laughter. Music was the soundtrack echoing through the woods, past horse barns and farms.

Nice!

We understood each other, understood why it was a big deal that some of us were gay, open and happy in spite of everything, understood why some of us still wanted to follow Jesus, even though the world we came from -- far right, hate-and-fear-driven wacko religion -- had done its best to turn Jesus into Attila the Hun and/or Michele Bachmann.

There was something new going on at Wild Goose: no separation of the "famous" speakers and authors, we "stars" and performers and the "ordinary" people who'd come to hear us. We all just milled around under the stars and giant oaks in the same space. McLaren slept in a tent. Tony Jones invited everyone to his RV. Sure, Jim Wallis and Brian McLaren were followed by their readers/groupies. But so what? There was no "green room" or other places to be hustled off to while people waited in line, because there were no lines, just us. We all stood in the same lines buying a slice or singing hymns in the beer tent. For four days we lived on a level playing field.

I did my two talks, but spent most of each day -- from 8 a.m. to past midnight -- talking to old friends, and new acquaintances, from all over the U.S. (and places like New Zeeland, too) about why I still believe in God, even though I don't most of the time. And the odd thing is that that nonsensical paradoxical phrase -- belief through doubt -- made sense to them, because you have to have been there, done that escaping from a religious background to "get" it, and they did.

Wild Goose Festival is going to grow into the largest, best run, most dynamic religious happening in the U.S. There are lots of smart spiritually hungry people with their eyes open.

Next year, be there. And if you're an atheist, agnostic, whatever, you'll like it too because you'll be amongst those rare sort of religious people who will admit that we're all in the same boat and that certainty is a killer and humility is all that works, if, that is, you want to live and let live instead of using ideas as weapons.

Frank Schaeffer is a writer and his new book is "Sex, Mom, and God: How the Bible's Strange Take on Sex Led to Crazy Politics--and How I Learned to Love Women (and Jesus) Anyway."

 
 
 

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02:19 AM on 07/08/2011
You say "I did my two talks" but "talk" might not be the right word. You shouted mostly. As for example you shouted "Screw Saint Paul, Screw him!"

Why do you waste time on "religious" progressives? Their only use is for non-religious progressives to use them as a foil for real Christians who oppose anthropocentric materialistic collectivism and all the tyranny it produces. If you really had the courage of your new convictions you'd toss in the towel renounce religion altogether and go whole hog with your leftism.
04:04 PM on 07/11/2011
yippeekayay,

Is it true what Frank said about Saint Paul? I mean, did you go to this goose festival and hear him speak? I'm not being antagonistic at all, I'm on your side of the argument. I'd just like to confirm for real if he did, in fact, say that. Thanks ahead of time!
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02:40 PM on 07/13/2011
I have it on good authority from a friend who was there covering the event. Check out his article on it at: http://www.theird.org/page.aspx?pid=1943
11:34 AM on 07/03/2011
Do you realize how hypocritical your statement ''humility is all that works'' in light of you bashing Bachmann a paragraph earlier? God didn't tickle your funny bone enough so your mad at him. I get it, but stop pretending you are trying to help people. Its just a female dog session with you every time you pick up a pen
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10:30 AM on 07/08/2011
Frank is "addicted to hypocrisy"

http://designyre.com/design/book-review-addicted-to-mediocrity/
04:16 PM on 07/01/2011
"that is, you want to live and let live instead of using ideas as weapons."

Frank, is this a change to the approach? I think you have been one of the best at using ideas as weapons. It could be a backlash against Christianity has been unleashed and some want to back it down a bit because, after all, when you are raised as a Christian, even when you leave the faith, the after effects can last decades. I don't think you can get people to put down their idea weapons because the job is not done. If it is not followed to the conclusion, all your work here might end up for naught.
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10:05 AM on 07/08/2011
No matter what he says, Frank will never not use ideas as weapons. If he knew how to "live and let live," no one today would hear his name and think of him instead of his dear father.
03:53 PM on 06/29/2011
OK, now you dunnit, Frank! I'm about halfway thru your new book, accumulating ample evidence to call for a public heresy trial of you on the Washington Mall with authorities from Moody, Wheaton, Biola, etc to immoderate the forum when here I'z learn you been hob-nobbing with the likes of Jimbo, Diana Butler Bass, Tony Jones, et al, who have been a corrupting force for sanity and hope in my life for many moons now! :)

This Canada Goose Festival sounds like something I must put on my agenda for years to come...strikes me as a breath of fresh air that dudes like me could profit from. A group I'm a part of up here in western Canada had Diana up a couple of years ago to speak, also Phyllis Tickle last November and then Doug Paggitt in May. I've put your name on the table for a future guest and will be in contact with you further via your website. I was delighted that we finally succeeded in getting two evangelical pastors to Doug's event - so truly the last daze must be upon us, no? Best to you, my friend.
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02:20 PM on 06/29/2011
That sounds like a wonderful time...I am jealous! Just imagine if all the evangelical leaders woke up one day with humility and indecision, with love in their hearts and joined you all next year. What a difference that would make in this country.
09:11 PM on 07/05/2011
After that we could imagine no heaven, no hell below us, above us only sky. Then we could all hold hands and have group sex?
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JoeHilley
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10:50 AM on 06/29/2011
"Escape From Reason" is my current 'church book.' (I read to keep my mind from wandering during the sermon). I wonder how your father would view art and entertainment today and whether he would revise this book.
10:36 PM on 06/28/2011
Tell us why you believe in God Frank.
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12:59 AM on 06/29/2011
I reckon Frank believes in god for the same reason my sister does - it's comforting. A universe without a god can seem pretty cold at first; many people can't get past the initial shock.
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04:00 AM on 06/29/2011
I'll let you know when I do.
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11:46 AM on 06/28/2011
~why it was a big deal that some of us were gay, open and happy in spite of everything~, such a down to earth article. When the rest will get it ? Normally I don`t venture out to any threads on religion, but when I make a detour to yours, it makes me smile. Thank you.....Gypsy
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04:01 AM on 06/29/2011
Hi Gypsynomad, thanks for bothering to read my stuff. Best, Frank
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gypsynomad
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06:35 AM on 06/29/2011
Bothering ? It is my pleasure, your message fits to all the religions of the world. Yes, Frank, I don`t come often but I like it even more here `cause you always make an effort to answer me. Looking forward to read you more.
Always a fan....Gypsy
11:17 PM on 06/30/2011
Frank:
Why don't you just give it up and admit that you've gone so far off the reservation that Christianity and Christ have become nothing more than convenient themes that allow you to continue to write a column and maintain some notoriety among your new liberal friends here at the Huff. Stop kidding yourself. Will continue to pray for you. Your father was and continues to be an inspiration to me and many others.
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02:59 AM on 06/28/2011
Sounds inviting Frank, thanks.
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StealGeorgia
10:40 PM on 06/27/2011
Sounds great Frank. Welcome to summer festivals in the woods communing with nature. Ain't it grand? Though we didn't invent it, Pagans have been doing that for decades all across the country. Blessings and Cheers to you.
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09:46 AM on 07/08/2011
Yeah, Frank. Welcome to Paganism.
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08:18 PM on 06/27/2011
Frank Schaefer: Next year, be there. And if you're an atheist, agnostic, whatever, you'll like it too because you'll be amongst those rare sort of religious people who will admit that we're all in the same boat and that certainty is a killer and humility is all that works, if, that is, you want to live and let live instead of using ideas as weapons.

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Apparently the Pope is doing the same sort of "outreach" to atheists and other free-thinkers, too:

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=431074

Here's my question: Why can't all these various sorts of Christians just leave the rest of us alone? Why the great need to bring us to your worship fests, or whatever? Why can't you just be content to live and let live?

It's really not that hard.

Whatever you might think of AA, they had a good idea when they talked about "attraction rather than promotion".
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02:58 AM on 06/28/2011
An odd response. Would you have the same reaction if he invited you to supper? If you have no interest in Christianity why would you be reading in this section? An invitation is an offer from a generous spirit, it is perfectly acceptable to decline without snark or not respond at all.
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OtayPanky
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10:38 AM on 06/28/2011
Inviting me to supper is hardly the same as inviting me to a Christian "revival" meeting...unless it's one of those suppers where I'm going to the Gospel or the Amway plan shoved down my gullet.

What's odd is that Christians think there's nothing odd about this. Most of the world's religious communities don't do anything like this at all. The question is: why do Christians?

The answer, of course, has everything to do with the Christian mandate in the so-called "Great Commission". Rather than simply live your lives, and leave the rest of us to live ours, you're enjoined by Jesus (supposedly) to drag us into your Christian world.

How about you all just STOP...once and for all. Let it go. Let it be. Be content with having your own religious freedom, and trust that the rest of us can find our own way without your festivals and your tracts and your neon signs.

There's no dearth of information about Christianity in the modern world - whether of the Catholic kind or the Protestant kind - the fundamentalist kind or the liberal kind. Your evangelization work is done. Your outreach has succeeded.

Now, you really can leave the rest of us alone. We'll figure it out for ourselves.
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FrankfromPA
08:00 PM on 06/27/2011
Way to go Frank!
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Ninure Saunders
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06:27 PM on 06/27/2011
I wish I could have been there. Sometimes I feel despair at the the image some of my fellow Christians say and do, but you folks give me hope,
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StealGeorgia
10:47 PM on 06/27/2011
And in that, you give me hope.
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Eric Simpson
06:23 PM on 06/27/2011
This sounds like an intriguing event, but there were aspects of its promotion that made me feel ill-at-ease -- particularly a hip looking guy juggling torches and swallowing fire. My thoughts turned immediately to the carnivalesque days of Stryper and Mike Warnke; I was turned off. But the image of you enjoying wine with Jim Wallis was so...unexpected, well, maybe I should rethink it. ;-)
04:54 PM on 06/27/2011
Frank, we didn't cross paths at the festival, but I was there and want to thank you for your words. I am still in a daze and my words still move slowly. I will say that my heart leaps to think that we will all gather again... and may there be more and more colors in the tapestry of our complexions and our hearts. And our doubts.