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Is Gay Divorce Any Different Than Straight Divorce?

Posted: 12/ 2/2010 4:21 am

One of the most hotly debated questions amongst my lawyer and mediator colleagues is whether or not gay or lesbian divorces differ from straight divorces, and if so, in what ways. While some folks opine that all divorces are miserable in their own unique way, I'm convinced there are numerous differences. I think this is so, even where the legal procedures for state-registered domestic partners, civil union partners, or same-sex married spouses are just about identical to the divorce procedures used by straight folks.

To my mind the differences are historic, legal, and cultural, and while every divorce has its own dynamics and presents its own particular issues, many same-sex break-ups present a cluster of special challenges that rarely arise for straight couples. Here's a quick summary of the most frequently recurring issues, based upon my experience as a lawyer and mediator in the San Francisco Bay Area.

The Historical Legacy. Until just a few years ago, gay and lesbian couples were excluded from marital law in every state in the union. California couples could register as domestic partners in 2000 but they weren't covered by marital law until 2005. Vermont civil unions and Massachusetts marriages opened up the marital law doors around the same time, but any couple that has been together for more than ten years spent a significant period of their lives outside of marital law. Lambda Legal has a great chart that summarizes the current state of affairs for same-sex couples. Check it out at: http://www.lambdalegal.org/publications/articles/nationwide-status-same-sex-relationships.html

Therefore, if the relationship breaks up, there's a strong likelihood that your legal questions will straddle the non-marital and marital dividing line. This alone can create serious areas of disagreement and uncertainty, both regarding the expectations of the partners and the legal rules that apply to their conflicts - and in some states will require that you hire two sets of lawyers, one to deal with the non-marital assets and the other to deal with your marital assets and any kids you share.

The Legal Complexities. For some same-sex partners, the inability to legally marry relegates their break-up to the murky world of non-marital law, which often involves complex theories of equitable partition, implied contracts, and partnership law. It can also create serious problems around the parentage and custody of kids. See www.NCLRights.org for more about those issues. And, even for those whose lives are covered by marital law (because they live in a recognition state and entered into a formal registration or marriage), the lack of federal recognition can create serious confusion or even blatant discrimination. There is no tax recognition of the spousal relationship, and so transfers of assets can trigger capital gains, income, or gift tax liabilities. The ERISA rules preclude the assignment of a pension or retirement benefit, which also can lead to additional taxation and enforcement problems for divorcing couples. Because of the legal complexities, fewer divorce lawyers know how to handle same-sex dissolutions, and so even finding a qualified lawyer can be a challenge.

Cultural Dimensions. While there are no scientific studies to document this trend, most observers believe that gay men and lesbians tend to organize their social and cultural lives in different ways than straight folks - and it is undeniable that traditional gender roles just don't apply to same-sex couples! As a result, the recurring issues of parentage, child custody and support, and financial obligations play out differently for many same-sex divorces. Attitudes towards sexual monogamy may be different, and conflicts over parental roles are likely to follow very different trajectories than occur with straight divorces. The underlying social dynamics of marital property law don't fit so closely with the lives of lesbian and gay male couples, and there can be a resistance to judicial involvement in the dissolution process as well.

In the end, every break-up has its own drama and its own path to resolution, but recognizing the unique features of a same-sex dissolution is crucial when it comes to navigating the lesbian or gay divorce!

 
One of the most hotly debated questions amongst my lawyer and mediator colleagues is whether or not gay or lesbian divorces differ from straight divorces, and if so, in what ways. While some folks op...
One of the most hotly debated questions amongst my lawyer and mediator colleagues is whether or not gay or lesbian divorces differ from straight divorces, and if so, in what ways. While some folks op...
 
 
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10:23 PM on 12/06/2010
Because lesbian & gay relationships usually exist outside the law and often don't follow the same social conventions, there is an opportunity to be more creative in a divorce. A mediator can say, "if you were straight, the law would say, XYZ. Does that seem fair to you or do you want to do this differently?"

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01:52 PM on 12/05/2010
A friend divorced his younger male partner and the focus of their disagreement about settlement of property was who would get an ornamental plate that had only sentimental value. They both cried over it and the younger man broke it against the wall.
10:34 AM on 12/03/2010
They're no such thing as gay divorce. Mainly because there's no such thing as gay marriage (in most states). So, it's just a common, everyday breakup unless you live in IA, NH, VT, ME, CT or MA.
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Ioan Lightoller
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01:10 PM on 12/03/2010
And I suspect that is how you would LOVE to keep it. Trust me, marriage equality for the entire country is coming...
07:53 AM on 12/04/2010
Adam n Eve not Adam n Steve!
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eve mahar
05:03 PM on 12/03/2010
Wrong. There is "such a thing" as gay marriage. Gay marriage is legal in at least 10 different countries, civil unions are legal in 20 countries around the world, and gay marriage is legal in the United States in 6 states, soon to be 7 (California's prop 8 having been ruled unconstitutional), civil unions are in at least 2 states.

Gay couples have had commitment ceremonies for many years, which, to many of them is just as binding as a legal marriage. So there is such a thing as gay marriage, and such a thing as gay divorce. Even for couples who aren't married, break-ups in general are not "every day" occurrences, and can be just as complicated and devastating as divorce.
10:05 AM on 12/03/2010
Is Gay Divorce Any Different Than Straight Divorce?

Yeah. Gay marriage and Gay divorce are thriving unexploited markets ignored solely because of bigotry. Think of the potential profit margin for all the publications, advertising, wedding planners, travel providers, reception halls and divorce attorneys that is missing from our anemic economy.

As capitalists we should be ashamed.
10:01 AM on 12/03/2010
Is Gay Divorce Any Different Than Straight Divorce?

Yeah. Straight divorce is legal. It exists.
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eve mahar
05:05 PM on 12/03/2010
Gay marriage is legal in certain states, and civil unions in others. It exists.
08:50 AM on 12/04/2010
Gay marriage does not exist to the extent that straight marriage exists and saturates every culture on earth. Gay divorce law does not exist and Gay divorce has proven to be a legal problem.

Nice logic. Would you compare a single raindrop to the Pacific Ocean?
06:55 AM on 12/03/2010
Sure it's different - straight couples fight over the kids, gay ones fight over the antiques.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
01:11 PM on 12/03/2010
Not even remotely funny. Haven't you heard? Same-sex couples have kids these days, too.
07:54 AM on 12/04/2010
They shouldn't!
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eve mahar
04:43 PM on 12/03/2010
I'm gay and I have two children, and zero antiques. Needless to say, if I were to get divorced the kids would be top priority.
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amstel
05:27 AM on 12/03/2010
so stop making gays out of something str8's fear. We eat like you, love like you and divorce like you
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yoyo1900
01:48 AM on 12/05/2010
I agree with you as it is fear of the unknown that leads to myths and biases.
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vanhattan
01:45 AM on 12/03/2010
As a man in a legal same sex marriage I think that the obvious difference is the fact that I can't even get a divorce in 45 or so states. So breaking up really IS a 'hard thing to do'....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpulStzGv4A

Other than that I can't see any differences in straight vs gay marriage other than the fact that we had to jump through hoops of fire to get married so there may be less gay divorce as gay folks who are married truly want to be and have thought long and hard about what love and commitment really means.
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Ioan Lightoller
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01:16 PM on 12/03/2010
You are SO fanned and faved! I think you are right: GLBTs have to go through so much to be legally married that I suspect we tend to take marriage more seriously than many straights.

My wife and I had to go 1,000 miles to Canada to wed (my mum would NOT have accepted some "commitment ceremony" and neither would we). Since the closest place to her with marriage equality (she was 91 and disabled, so plane travel was pretty much out) was Canada, we went there to marry. If we had had marriage equality in this country, we could have married in Michigan where she lived her entire life. Nope, haters had to pass an amendment to the state constitution (can' have those icky gays marrying in Michigan!). It was enough of a hassle all around that we thought seriously. But we both wanted legal marriage so we went for it. Anyhow, we both take our marriage and handfasting vows very seriously, so I don't see divorce in our future.
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vanhattan
03:59 AM on 12/04/2010
What a cool mom! Glad you all took the time and trouble to get married and have your mom in attendance. Hope you enjoyed Canada to boot.
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Karen McCaughan
"Cogita ante salis."
10:39 PM on 12/03/2010
Fanned & Faved. When we move now, we consider which state will give us the legal rights that st8 couples take for granted..namely the right to marry or partner up so that we can have shared healthcare benefits and other benefits...like not getting fired for sexual preference. We still also have to jump through hoops to get a fraction of the nearly 1100 benefits guaranteed to st8 people and their marriage.

At this point we have quite a wall of civil union/ domestic partnership certificates...I look forward to the day that we only need one.

As to divorce, it we ever even thought of it, we would have to go through legal divorce proceedings in several states to undo each individually.
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vanhattan
04:01 AM on 12/04/2010
Wow, I would love to see your wall. Sad that you have to have it all 'cluttered up' but a fine testament to your love of each other and the absurdity and pain of second class citizenship.
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mrdjamesrice
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12:57 AM on 12/03/2010
If you are thinking about divorce a lot of your questions can be answered by looking up online divorce providers
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12:09 AM on 12/03/2010
If Federal tax law doesn't recognize gay marriage - they're screwed.
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Amalek
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01:46 AM on 12/03/2010
I does remove the tool of alimony from the settlement negotiations. Alimony allows a shift of tax burdens between individuals, and when the tax positions of the two parties are different (one high income, the other low), alimony can effectively shift some of the cost to the government, making settlement easier.
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thereisonlyoneparty
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11:27 PM on 12/02/2010
There are likely different "cultural" views ("culture", really?) amongst people of different gender roles, but overall the species' propensity toward serial monogamy will cause all unions to fail.  The economic barriers to dissolution of unions are pretty much gone for most people.  People do not need to stay in unions anymore.

A lack of children could be beneficial in that the finances are less strained and there are fewer parties to deal with come divorce time.

In either case though the real cultural issue is with the stigmatization of singlehood.  This is on the decline, but there are still many people of the older generation (over 30) that believe that a union is required in long term relationships.
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08:48 PM on 12/02/2010
Of course anti-gays will say, "Aha! That's why gay couples shouldn't marry because it doesn't last!"

What about half of the straight couples that end in the divorce? Should we just ban marriage? Love is a gamble. People change and nothing in life is a sure thing except for death and taxes.
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Amalek
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01:46 AM on 12/03/2010
Now that is a fine idea. Can you do it retroactively?
08:38 PM on 12/02/2010
Gay divorce is different - since the marriage was never 'consumated' to begin with.

Two negatives or two positives joined together do not bind.
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eve mahar
11:45 PM on 12/02/2010
You have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not going to sink to your level, but a gay marriage is exactly the same, and is very much consummated and binding.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Gay Pagan Man, Living Happily With Husband
01:20 PM on 12/03/2010
Thank you, Eve! Wish I could fan you again. Our marriages are very much consummatede and binding. No, it doesn't result in children but not every straight marriage results in procreation, either. Many couples who have taken advantage of marriage equality and civil unions have been together DECADES. To me that is a lot more binding than some antiquated notion of only P***s and v*****a=consummation. Please come into the 21st Century with the rest of us, NonConforming.
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Karen McCaughan
"Cogita ante salis."
10:44 PM on 12/03/2010
Fanned & Faved. Well put.
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Amalek
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01:47 AM on 12/03/2010
You flip them over and they plug in the same way.
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Trollstein
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07:22 PM on 12/02/2010
Yes. In 'strait' divorces, both spouses just PRETEND that they want the same items of shared property (to infuriate the other). In gay divorces, both spouses actually DO want the same items.
Now . . let the retribution begin . . .
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Diana Mercer
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06:17 PM on 12/02/2010
As a divorce mediator, I can tell you for sure gay divorce is different than straight divorce. The dynamics are different. The dynamics are different in custody cases, too, where the hetero parents never married vs. cases where the couple married because they were pregnant. Different situations, different dynamics.

The good news is that we see a lot of very caring gay couples who are getting divorced (and hetero too) and my anecdotal observation is that they also feel like they owe it to the community to behave like mature adults during the process.

Diana Mercer, co-author of Making Divorce Work and Your Divorce Advisor
08:14 PM on 12/02/2010
"...they also feel like they owe it to the community to behave like mature adults during the process."

Would that this were the case with all couples, especially where there are children involved!
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10:05 PM on 12/02/2010
"... my anecdotal observation is that they also feel like they owe it to the community to behave like mature adults during the process."

That didn't happen with Hollywood's biggest gay divorce to-date.. the Etheridges.

(Admittedly they aren't divorcing but seeking dissolution of partnership).