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Gabe Gonzalez

Posted: October 7, 2010 10:15 AM

Fast on the heels of the revelations about Meg Whitman, The Nation exposes another hypocrite in the person of Lou Dobbs, who, it was found, employed undocumented immigrants even as he railed against them, even as he demanded jail time for the very act he committed.

The hypocrisy is rank, but surely not startling. We all know how deeply the undocumented permeate our society. Put simply, if you stay in a hotel, chances are that someone who served you in the hotel was undocumented. If you have work done on a home, or bought one new, chances are that someone who helped build it was undocumented. If you ate anything at all in the past ten years, chances are 100% that someone who touched the food before it got to your plate was undocumented. The undocumented are so ingrained in our society that we cannot eat without them.

This is the truth of how we live in America. Yet, somehow, we cannot allow ourselves to do the right thing by the people who feed us, take care of us and make us comfortable.

It makes you wonder why. How is it that we can live side by side with these folks, benefit from their misery, and do nothing to change it? Who benefits from this ugly status quo?

It certainly is not the American worker, whether native born or undocumented. Every time an undocumented worker is forced to accept bad wages or sub standard working conditions, pressure is placed on native born workers to accept less as well. Thanks, in part, to decisions like Hoffman Plastics, even joining a union is dangerous for the undocumented and if the person next to you on the line isn't in the union, then the unions are that much weaker. The undocumented do not have access to workers' compensation, disability, or any of the other safety net provisions that cover the native born worker.

For the native born worker, a large undocumented segment of the workforce means less pay, more competition for their labor, and makes it even harder to organize and fight for fair compensation and safety in the work place. For the undocumented, to speak out, to demand better wages or to get hurt on the job is to starve.

Again I ask: who benefits?

Well, if an undocumented workforce means weaker unions, less pay and less benefits for everyone, who could possibly benefit from that? Didn't I see something in the news recently about record profits being posted by large corporations, in large part because they were keeping costs down? Costs like pay and benefits.

I think I am beginning to see a pattern here.

Still, it is not the corporate interests who rant against "illegals." It is not they who have dehumanized the people who put food on your table. Even as they are the greatest beneficiaries of this nasty system, they remain oddly quiet about solutions, either pro- or anti-immigrant.

Instead, the role of attack dog has fallen to rabble rousers claiming to be populists. Pundits like Dobbs, Limbaugh and Beck all became millionaires, in part, by attacking the undocumented. Obvious sociopaths like Sherriff Arpaio in Arizona get their 15 minutes of fame by driving tanks out into the desert looking for "lawbreakers." And politicians like Meg Whitman and Gov. Jan Brewer think nothing of hopping on the hate bandwagon to rally the forces of fear against such easy targets.

So corporate interests benefit from the status quo, and they use the millionaire pundits, crazies, and opportunistic politicians to keep that status quo in place. No new news there.

What is fascinating is how they then turn the human beings most hurt by this system against one another. American workers are huge losers with this dysfunctional immigration system. But they are never encouraged to ask how we got here or how we can fix it. Instead they are fed rhetoric all day long about leprosy carrying illegals crowding the schools and hospitals and stealing "American" jobs.

After hearing this garbage day after day, with no rational voice able to get the same airtime, eventually the American worker begins to believe the myths. Good people, with no evil intent begin to attack immigrants and never ask who profits from their presence, or how we can fix the problem.

There are obvious historic corollaries here. When African-Americans had the audacity to demand to be treated like human beings, the monied interests that benefitted from their cheap labor used poor whites, also exploited, as attack dogs. When the insurance giants and their corporate buddies stood to lose billions in bloated healthcare profits, they relied on the unease of white middle class seniors to give birth to the tea party.

Thus, the status quo remains. Workers are pitted against each other in a downward spiral of low wages and bad conditions. And Corporate America posts record profits.

Meanwhile, Meg Whitman searches for a new nanny, Lou Dobbs will have to find someone else to groom his daughter's horses.

The only way out of this equation that I can see is to organize ordinary Americans against the special interests which keep the system rigged against them.

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05:49 AM on 10/10/2010
Why is this a story about the effect on peoples in the United States while the more important story, the greatest transfer of manpower in human history from Mexico and and points south to the U.S., is totally ignored. We have turned our backs and turned off our hearing so we don't have to respond to the suffering taking place in Mexico right now.

We have destroyed Mexico with our open border . Many women have to fend for themselves as their men are not there to protect them.

No one thinks of this. By our greed we take the best that Mexico can offer leaving behind the weak, the infirm and the poor. Offering amnesty in 1984 has already struck a blow to the family units in Mexico and we don't care as long we can hire them at $4 or $5 bucks an hour.

The American government has made this possible creating a source of cheap labor at Mexico's expense. To encourage this is to help further destroy Mexico and it's fine people whom I love.

Do the organizations such as Human Rights Watch even care that the open border has lead to the robbery, murder, rape, and even sale of women and children for sexual slavery. No they do not! There is no money or power to be gained in caring for the victims of our border policy that live in obscurity, poverty and fear. Clearly this writer, Gabe Gonzalez, seems not to care either.
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markie G
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02:25 AM on 10/11/2010
excellent post, patrick
06:35 PM on 10/11/2010
Thank you! I always hope that my works as an Anthropologist can somehow bring a greater world view and better understanding of the forces at work.

Again thank you.
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10:20 AM on 10/09/2010
What surprises me is that so many people are just reallizing that Dobbs is a hypocrite! All it would take is 1 week of watching his "news" show and you could see it. Thank goodness he is not on the air anymore but he has done his damage and made millions in the process.
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Sam1jere
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09:02 AM on 10/09/2010
Even hypocrites like Dobbs reveal some truths about the human condition. We are all beneficiaries of roads, bridges we never built, nor wells we never dug, but forgetting is a human speciality. It is even more so once we've benefited, and then the railing begins. Dobbs, like the political types in Congress and elsewhere might just be a reflection of larger society or even ourselves.

The US is one of the economies that have benefited from other cultures, mostly foreign, but it's not unique. All major empires did, at macro level, just like all of us do at micro level. Can any economy, leave alone the US, function minus such illegal workers? Even here, one might not employ a foreign national, but we do employ child labor. Isn't that just a variation of this theme?

Hypocrisy is so deeply ingrained in the human condition that it would be near impossible to start highlighting specific cases. If the question of what you're doing about it was posed back to you, how would you go about answering it?
07:13 PM on 10/08/2010
After years and years of doing absolutely nothing about illegals, (frankly, Iam sick of being told that I must refer to them as "undocumented immigrants) I call them as I see them and they are here illegally so they are illegal immigrants. I'll will concede that they are not aliens.
Back to my point, years of ignoring the situation has made it almost impossible to hire any company that doesn't employ hispanics. How is anyone to know their true status? Apparently, it is standard practice to forge documents such as a driver's license, and social security card. What about the person who actually owns that ss#? You almost have to be a private investigator to dig deep enough to catch them.
So what is one to do? Should no one purchase a house in the United States because at some point someone will have hired an illegal to do part if not all of the work and therefore strip an actual licensed professional from a job?
Before the influx of illegals, who do you think did the jobs you now say only illegals will do? Picking crops, working in hotels, maids, housekeepers and gardners,( well, maybe lawns were done by kids wanting extra money)
Why is it no one defends the immigrant who waits his turn to come here honestly? How fair is it that only people close to our borders get the benefit of illegal entry without repercussions?
07:48 PM on 10/08/2010
You very clearly conflate Hispanics and the Undocumented. Thats unfortunate. and probably indicative of other cultural concerns.
Be that as it may, I believe my piece very clearly says that workers don"t win under the current system, the only ones that do are millionaires and corporations. So why not attack them instead of the people they lured here?
06:05 PM on 10/08/2010
I do not agree with your ideas; we are not dependent on illegals, they are here in these roles because of greed and selfishness, theirs and the people who hire them, who bring them here, who protect their existence here! The "better life they seek" and the "taking of jobs not wanted by US citizens" are phony excuses for their unlawful behavior, both in coming here illegally and in crimes they commit against children, women and citizens while they are here. I lived better before the parasitic illegals descended upon us.
08:00 PM on 10/08/2010
Nowhere in my piece did I say jobs no one wanted. What in fact I said was that the jobs are bad because undocumented are not allowed to change thier status. the jobs are bad for everyone, documented and undocumented alike.

And I would venture to guess that your life was better when there was more equity in pay, and coporations didnt have so much power. So why blame the undocumented?
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12:25 PM on 10/08/2010
I presume you idea of "the right thing" is to make them all citizens?

But that makes the rest of us a bunch of hypocrites, and makes all of the people that followed to rules to get here fools!
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05:39 PM on 10/08/2010
My idea of "the right thing" is to stop the hypocrisy:
Either close the borders and prosecute employers who keep hiring illegals while talking out of both sides of their mouth, or allow those that are already here to come out of the shadow and work legally, with all the inherent benefits and obligations, including tax obligations.
At any rate, stop exploiting them and the country you claim to love so much, all you Patriots out there.
NOSMAVAN.
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11:11 AM on 10/08/2010
What hypocrisy on the part of Gonzalez himself. He uses partial descriptions of events to support his case. Why didn't he admit that many of these undocumented lied to get their jobs? Why didn't he admit that in Meg Whitman's case (1) she checked on her employees status and was convinced that her employee was here legally, (2) the employee lied to Whitman and the government, (3) many people work for $11 to $16 per hour with limited benefits and yet, Whitman's employee was getting almost double that, and (4) Ms Aldred and Atty Gen Brown are using this woman for their purposes while at the same time endangering her with potential deportation. Gonzales also ignors the real issues causing concern which is (1) the human trafficing where the people are subjected to inhumane living conditions assuming they live long enough to endure them as many are killed on arrival in the US, (2) the drug cartels using these people to traffic drugs and guns into the US, drug cartels acquiring businesses in the US with their illegal money gained from such illegal activity which will cause a much bigger problem, and (4) the US Govt refuses to enforce immigation laws and criminals are not being deported or they are returning after deportation. What about the fact that Mr Gonzalez has no problem with anti-US signs including a demand for Calif, AZ and NM be returned to Mexico - does this show a picture of people we want as citizens?
08:06 PM on 10/08/2010
Hi, It's Gabe Gonzalez (with a z at the end). Hypocrisy is by definition saying one thing and doing another. which Whitman and Dobbs and countless others do. My position is and always has been clear, so I'm not sure about the hypocrisy charge.

As to your defense of Ms. Whitman. My response is a pretty straightforward "Oh come on...". That is to say, you honestly think she didn't know her maids status? Or ever wonder? A woman that was so much a part of the family that Ms. Whitman asked her to "not tell the children" when she was fired?

This sort of sticking our head in the sand when it benefits us, and then screaming about law breakers the rest of the time, is exactly what got us here. We have to do better as a country, act with more integrity. Or this will never be solved.
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10:14 AM on 10/08/2010
I am not a Dobbs supporter but I feel after the interview on "The Last Word" last night that this was a bit unfair towards Dobbs. The trap here is that no one proved or claimed he personally hired any illegal workers though the impression is that he did. I expect a bit better reporting from the Nation and HuffPost in this regard before jumping on anyone.

I think what this revelation really proves is not that Dobbs is a hypocrite but that the reality of 12 million undocumented workers means that it may now be impossible to know if anyone coming to work for you via a contractor is or is not undocumented. It begs a solution not more rhetoric.

Do you refuse your McDonnald's burger because the man or woman on the grill just may be illegal? Did you ever ask? Do you even care?

While it makes good press to point the finger at Dobbs because of his vocal stand on the issue, the fact is that every American is just as responsible for our immigration problem just by virtue of buying a bag of tomatoes or grapes grown in the US. We invited them then treat them like dirt because it is politically acceptable to do so to any minority.
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05:46 PM on 10/08/2010
You may feel that Dobbs was singled out, and to a degree maybe he was. But the real issue here is not whether Lou Dobbs did or did not hire illegals. The real issue is that Lou Dobbs was and is on the forefront smashing illegals, while he himself, apparently, isn't totally clean. Like many of our elected representatives who make a name for themselves to be vehemently against some life-style or other, and turn out to be living that very same life-style. It is the hypocrisy of it. Sick.!!
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05:56 PM on 10/08/2010
I'll also say that I'm absolutely no Lou Dobbs fan and have to agree with ReElectNoOne on this one.
I watched "The Last Word" and kept waiting for Lawerence to ask the pertinent question if he (Dobbs) had employed these people personally. Dobbs should have asked if you should boycott a grocery store because they sell strawberries and watermelon. I don't think guilt by association is the validating factor. It should be incumbent on the employer of that particular employee for do the background research and bear the responsibility. Seems like kind of a stretch. I was waiting for Dobbs to be exposed but it didn't seem to be the case........but maybe next time!!! lol!!!
09:16 AM on 10/08/2010
"...such easy targets."

That's it, no representation (unless they have relatives who vote), no legal status, no rights. Easy to smother under outrageous requirements, waiting periods, fees with no recourse. No compulsion to be treated according to law.

I wonder if the gentle souls that call some immigrants criminals have ever in their lives faced an immigration bureaucracy, or have realized how easy it is for a government agency to turn somebody into a criminal simply by requiring something that is extremely difficult to supply for that person, or simply by not providing timely service (such as Identification that is required by the govt.) while said person stews and loses job opportunities, the possibility to rent and sign a contract, etc.

Though I admit that a person that enters a country without heeding any law should have it difficult, at the very least because she is undocumented. A person who wants to do things right and pay taxes, or amend such a previous situation should have all paths open, not obstructed by bureaucracy.
"The only way out of this equation that I can see is to organize ordinary Americans against the special interests which keep the system rigged against them."

Mainly by abolishing most immigration bureaucracy and letting persons and companies sign contracts as they see fit, as long as they are legal.
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02:02 AM on 10/08/2010
Just as an aside, how about hypocrisy and state power, e.g., President of Mexico condeming California ballot proposal to legalize small quantities of marijuana, where Mexico legalized heroin, et al, more than a year ago.
"Mexico enacted a controversial law on Thursday decriminalizing possession of small amounts of marijuana, cocaine, heroin and other drugs while encouraging government-financed treatment for drug dependency free of charge." AP (Aug 21 2009) The New York Times, retrieved Oct 7, 2010 from http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/21/world/americas/21mexico.html
08:52 AM on 10/08/2010
What a great thing to do!! It is so unfortunate that politics will keep us from decriminalizing addicts and offering them help. Imagine if we were to use the money we now spend keeping addicts in prison to offer them help instead. Yes, I know, we would have to offer it to the same people over and over again. And we would still be ahead.
There is no serious war on drugs as long as an addict who wants help cannot find an immediate opening in a rehabilitation program. Instead, what we have is support of the "war's" infrastructure. That's lots of money paid to keep the cost of drugs high and support a hugh crime syndicate that unstabilizes countries all over the world. Can you imagine how much better it would be to spend that money on education -- not drug education, improving our schools and making college more affordable?
01:26 PM on 10/08/2010
But decriminalization policies and enacting harm reduction programs is exactly what has to happen in order to ultimately solve the drug problem.
If you want to reduce the violence. and in the process cut the legs off of the cartels then legalization is the answer. If Merck, Pfizer and Lilly made these drugs and standatdized the dosages there would be fewer overdoses and fewer bad effects from aldulteration. Do you know that ecgonine is extracted from coca using fuel grade kerosine out in the open jungle ? Can you imagine the impurites that end up in cocaine by that alone ?
Decriminalization, legalization and harm reduction programs is the only rational approach that will begin to solve the drug problem.
01:50 AM on 10/08/2010
One day my mother came to visit after having lunch with some of her sisters and starting complaining about "all the jobs" "all the immigrants" were "stealing". Now, she meant immigrants period, not just illegal immigrants, and after I reminded her that her parents barely spoke a word of English I asked her what jobs these immigrants were supposedly stealing and just who were they stealing them from and did she want to do what they do.

Just like my mom, the people making these complaints don't want these jobs nor do they know anyone that could survive on the wages illegal immigrants are, crazy as it sounds, happy to earn.

That they are in the country illegally is a completely legitimate complaint that warrants discussion, but please stop making the ridiculous argument that these people who are working the very worst jobs, have no job security, no benefits, and are paid even less than minimum wage for the privilege are stealing jobs because it's simply not true.
03:46 AM on 10/08/2010
so true. if it (that awesome dream job) paid a fraction of a living wage and came with disability insurance in case of injury, anyone could have it, not just the unrepresented and disenfranchised.
04:05 AM on 10/08/2010
you might want to rethink that. A place I worked at had about 200 illegals on the payroll the jobs were all good pay jobs with benifits such as med and 401k's and It was the IRS that came in and forced the removal of these illegals....How did they get the jobs? SSI cards from other people....both stolen and barrowed.
So they work anything they can get into and if using a stolen SSI card means they get above min wage they will do it. seen it TO MANY TIMES.
11:09 AM on 10/08/2010
Hmmm... so, are you implying that if those jobs were below minimum wage it would be alright? In any case, using somebody else's SSN means that taxes are paid and they are actually contributing to the SSN fund, which will not be there for them on later times neither will be the 401. The issue about "anything they can get" is also dubious as I would imagine they get hired for jobs they can demonstrate the ability to perform. I do not believe illegal immigration is a good thing, but as in most wrong issues, we just need to follow the money and see who benefits the most. Do you really believe it is the immigrants?
12:17 AM on 10/08/2010
Sorry, but I have no sympathy for the "undocumented".
Just as you have the right to control who does or does not enter your home, a country has the right to decide what the rules are for any one to enter and for how long they are allowed to remain. Entry for employment is also not the "right" of anyone who is not a citizen and who has been breaking the law by remaining illegally.
The US has rules, (also known as LAWS) which are enforced by the INS.
It is said that the US is "unpopular" in the rest of the world. Permit me to wonder why the dream of so many is to live there, and to go to the extreme of breaking the law to do so. My gut feel is that the "unpopularity" is in large part due to jealousy of US democracy and the fredoms that it provides.

What does this tolerance of deliberate disregard for the laws of the country say to those who entered the legal way, perhaps waiting years for the opportunity? Does it mean they were fools to wait?

Sorry, but in my book, breaking the law is a crime. If you enter illegaly you commit a crime, and sorry but you have to return whence you came.

BTW, I am not a US citizen or resident of the US.
03:06 AM on 10/08/2010
yes, well let's hope that if you ever choose to come here, you do so in a way that doesn't leave you open to exploitation, and that if, god forbid, your life is put in harm's way, you have some legal recourse.

many people are here with pending status that has little hope of getting straightened out (because there is no more INS). most of these people are paying taxes in the meantime so that they will be copacetic once their number comes up. others are trapped here by blocked borders, and no other place of refuge after a lifetime of underpaid work for greedy hypocrites.

there are solutions which work in everyone's best interest and that don't require sympathy.
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09:50 AM on 10/08/2010
I agree. If you want to live in this country, you should not slap the people in the face by entering and remaining illegally. You should learn to speak English too. I get angry when I am denied employment that I am otherwise qualified for , simply because I do not speak Spanish. I would be happy to have a job, even scrubbing toilets, if there were one to be had, but where I live, the jobs go to undocumented workers. I want a job; ANY job! I have kids to feed too, and they were born here as was I.

Legalize marijuana, and put an end to the smuggling from Mexico, produce a taxable cash crop and regulate it like tobacco and alcohol.
10:46 PM on 10/07/2010
The reality is that illegal aliens,no matter how pathetic leftist liberal try to make them apppear,are criminals.They are breaking USA immigration laws and that is the only truth we have to contemplate.The cliche is true :"The USA is a country of immigrants".What the lily-heart liberals do not say is that those immigrants are "LEGAL IMMIGRANTS".If all the illegal immigrants will get out of the USA and come in legally,they would be welcome but as illegals NO.No country in the world,that includes Mexico,accepts illegal aliens.verywhere in the world illegal aliens are considered unwanted and law-breakers and so it MUST be in the USA also.Illegal aliens are no different from muggers and child molesters.All are breaking USA laws.Therefore illegal aliens are criminals.Period.
03:32 AM on 10/08/2010
unless, of course, we find a better way to handle immigration than just criminalizing it and pretending that solves larger social problems. all this accomplishes is that it leaves people without anywhere to turn when their basic human rights are violated, as often happens. even child molesters get legal representation. those (people) that are not in the extended impossible process, awaiting naturalization, and paying taxes in the interim, are admittedly committing a crime. yet, is it in our best interest to dismiss these (people) as criminals and let it end there? definitely not. people are here because there are economic forces pushing and pulling migrants, and while here they get exploited by their equally law breaking employers. the dialogue on what is legal or not, does nothing to fix the myriad problems associated with work driven population migration.

i'm not saying you are wrong, i'm saying the point is mute.
10:22 AM on 10/08/2010
We need to stop the flow at the border first. I think its ridiculus that the government sent troops there, but they have no authority to stop or forcefully defend anyone they see coming across. Maybe they just want to keep count. What's the point of this? I agree that most of these people here illegally are very nice, gentle folks. I'm sure I've met some w/o knowing for sure. It doesn't mean they have the same rights and the legal citizens either. There has to be made an incentive to make them come forward and be identified however. Not all would need/have to be deported - but there needs to be some justice applied to them. If they are lucky enough to stay, they should not be able to vote, get unemployment benefits or other taxpayer entitlements, until they have been here a certain number of years later w/o breaking laws or other major offences (sort of like probation). This will piss off many immigrants who did go thru the naturalization process legally, but something has to be done. I don't believe in tossing an amnesty blanket over them all though. That would be careless, senseless and not solve anything.
10:23 PM on 10/07/2010
I'm giving Lou as pass on this one. Lou Dobbs was one of, if not the only voice that spoke out on George Bushes lunacy in darker years.
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11:51 PM on 10/07/2010
So he gets a pass on both? Didn't you ever hear that two wrongs don't make a right?
03:09 AM on 10/08/2010
wait, who is it, this is?
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10:13 PM on 10/07/2010
Lou Dobbs is talking to Lawrence O'Donnell right now, wondering how he was supposed to know that his landscapers were undocumented.

This is the same man who was then shown on tape as demanding jail time for those people who hired undocumented landscapers!

Dobbs is hypocritical beyond belief ~~~ and he is calling O'Donnell (no relation to that other one) a hypocrite for bringing it up!
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11:00 PM on 10/07/2010
I saw the same interview and I have to disagree with you. I dislike Dobbs immensely but fair is fair. It is impossible for anyone to know the status of a contractor'employees. If I hire a roofing contractor, it is just silly to expect me to personally check every employee that he brings on to my property. Dobbs did not hire the illegals, he hired a contractor that employed illegals. Sometime the truth hurts and I would like nothing better than to expose Dobbs, but this case is weak.
09:39 PM on 10/08/2010
The "his contractor did it argument is weak, and obviously transparent. But it also shows the other problem with the current system - no one, even haters like Dobbs, will take responsibility for whom they employ. And so everyone hides thier head in the sand and blames the undocumented. And meanwhile every corporate entity and every millionaire benefits.
08:56 AM on 10/08/2010
It is illegal for anyone (non law-enforcement) to ask anyone else their legal status. If Lou suspected it, he couldn't do anything anyway. Just like Meg Whitman couldn't. I hired someone to do my lawn a while ago. He looked Mexican - what do you expect me to do? "hey are you legally here in the US?", "can I see your documents?".. How would I even know what he shows me (after not being insulted hopefully) is ligitimate? What am I supposed to do if he doesn't have anything to show me? So it's said that their are millions of illegal immigrants here, how are we supposed to know when we look up some company in the phone book and have them do a job, that they employ illegals? The bottom line is, it's not our job to question or our legal responsibility to act - it is solely on the Federal and State governments.
I bet if these illegals were from Syria or Pakistan or Afganistan, you sympathizers would feel a little more insecure in saying they should be left alone.
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01:46 PM on 10/08/2010
Jovis and Mhelle, I think that you didn't understand the point that I was trying to make. I do not disagree with either of you. I was just pointing out that a tape was played where Dobbs said that people who hired 'illegals' should do jail time. That's the hypocritical part, not the part where he said that he didn't know the legal status of anyone that he hired.

And Mhelle, can you please quote the sentence from my post where I said anything suggesting that I am one of the "sympathizers" or that "they (illegals, wherever they are from) should be left alone?" That was a wild leap that you took ~~~ obviously you didn't read my words or comprehend them, because you made an assumption about me that just isn't there.