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Karma: What Goes Around Comes Around

Posted: 11/11/2011 9:57 pm

"What goes around comes around" or "as you sow, so shall you reap" is the basic understanding of how karma, the law of cause and effect, works. The word karma literally means "activity." Karma can be divided up into a few simple categories -- good, bad, individual and collective. Depending on one's actions, one will reap the fruits of those actions. The fruits may be sweet or sour, depending on the nature of the actions performed. Fruits can also be reaped in a collective manner if a group of people together perform a certain activity or activities.

Everything we say and do determines what's going to happen to us in the future. Whether we act honestly, dishonestly, help or hurt others, it all gets recorded and manifests as a karmic reaction either in this life or a future life. All karmic records are carried with the soul into the next life and body.

There is no exact formula that is provided for how and when karmic reactions will appear in our lives, but one can be sure they will appear in some form or other. One may be able to get away with a crime they committed, or avoid paying taxes, but according to karma, no one gets away with anything for long.

Often, when something goes wrong in our lives, and it just doesn't seem to make sense as to why it happened, it can be very bewildering. We can just be left standing there without any answers. I remember a very difficult time in my life when my family lost our entire fortune, which threw my life into a spin. I asked myself why this was happening, and I came up with three possible answers:

1. God is cruel for letting things happen the way they are.
2. Things are happening completely by random chance and that there is no rhyme or reason behind them.
3. Perhaps in some inconceivable way, I had a hand in my own suffering, even if I wasn't able to recall what I had done.

I didn't like option two because I just couldn't accept that things were moving about randomly. I always felt there had to be some kind of order to the universe. Since I grew up believing in God, I was ready to wholeheartedly accept option one because this option allowed me to point a finger and express my anger and frustration at someone who I had worshiped all my life.

In search for an answer, I started reading the Bhagavad Gita and other Hindu texts which hinted at option three. This was even more difficult than the first option because now I couldn't really point a finger at anyone other than myself. The Gita broadened my horizons about life and encouraged me to take responsibility for my own actions and not to place blame. It explained that each of my previous lives has impacted my subsequent lives and is probably affecting my current life.

A karmic reaction, good or bad, may or may not become manifest in the same life. It may manifest in a future life. It's also possible to get hit with a few reactions -- positive or negative -- at the same time. The simplest analogy I can think of for how karma works is that of a credit card purchase. You make the purchase now, but don't get hit with the bill for 30 days. If you made several purchases during one billing cycle, then you'll get hit with one big bill.

The natural question that arises is: "Why am I getting punished for something from a previous live if I can't even remember it?" Of course, we don't ask ourselves why good things happen to us. We simply accept the good thinking we deserve it or that we've earned it. We forget a lot of things we've done in the past, so what to speak of things done in a previous life. The most important lesson to learn is that we can become more mindful of our present actions to prepare our families and ourselves for a more prosperous future, both materially and spiritually.

An important question we should ask is: "Do we really want to remember our past lives?" The pain of dealing with the hardships of this one life is difficult enough. We can only imagine how long we would actually survive if the weight of our previous lives' pain and suffering were compounded onto our psyche. For the most part, it's probably a good thing that most people don't remember what happened in previous lives, so that we can start to move forward in our present life.

Karma doesn't translate into indifference towards the suffering of others. The mood should never be "too bad, it's their karma." The predominating principle should always be that of sympathy and compassion.

This can seem like such a vicious cycle of action and reaction. It's practically impossible to live in this world without doing some wrong, whether out of anger, revenge, or just inattention. The teachings of the Gita and Hinduism are all about breaking this cycle of karma and transcending the material world and regaining entrance into the spiritual world. The path of Bhakti Yoga, which includes mantra meditation, conscious cooking and eating, and devotional service help break the cycle of karma by gradually removing the karmic reactions we have accumulated and thus liberating us from the repetition of birth and death.

 

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"What goes around comes around" or "as you sow, so shall you reap" is the basic understanding of how karma, the law of cause and effect, works. The word karma literally means "activity." Karma can be ...
"What goes around comes around" or "as you sow, so shall you reap" is the basic understanding of how karma, the law of cause and effect, works. The word karma literally means "activity." Karma can be ...
 
 
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12:44 PM on 11/29/2011
'There is no exact formula that is provided for how and when karmic reactions will appear in our lives, but one can be sure they will appear in some form or other." How convenient so that no one can challenge it.

Another cop out is "A karmic reaction, good or bad, may or may not become manifest in the same life." This is the worst metaphysical mumbo jumbo that was ever conceived.

With these two caveats one can say anything and call it philosophy.
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04:22 PM on 12/02/2011
ask herman cain how karma has worked out for him.

it takes much discernment to observe most karma. some karma like cain's is there for all the world to see.

as long as you see the metaphysical as mumbo jumbo you mind will be blinded by your beliefs.

believe nothing do your own reseach as your response reveals your cherished beliefs and your hidden paradigm you are not even aware of.
06:46 PM on 12/02/2011
When people talk about Karma I always think about Idi Amin. A brutal dictator, he lived to a ripe old age with seveal wives and numerous children and grand children.

I know he will pay for it in his next life.
researcher
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01:00 AM on 11/18/2011
"As for past lives, as a Buddhist I don't look at reincarnat­ion as a soul transfer. Buddhists don't believe in a soul."

the evidence is available to show that indeed a soul exists after this physical life is over.

but because buddha did not teach it or his followers did not accept it or teach it, buddhists wont go any farther than what they have been taught.

this makes buddhism a religion but an interesting one concerning their teachings on ignorance and suffering. but they have failed to go beyond the origin of suffering. if buddha did not teach it they dont go beyond even tho he told them to be open to new discoveries. they listened not.

the buddhists are as stuck in their no soul as much as the christians are stuck in their need for a sacrifice to appease an angry god.

it is interesting to me that once a person accepts certain religious beliefs it is almost impossible for them to see anything outside those beliefs. the paradigm effect is that powerful.
08:30 PM on 11/18/2011
Aa usual an excellent response:

Perhaps we need to inquire about what is permanent and impermanent in our nature and our connection to the all (be it universal awareness, nous, animus mundi, dharmakaya, purusha, paratma or God)?

What then is the soul's nature? Upon examining it, do we find layers of personalities (comprised so-to-speak of circulating energy for want of a better term)? Or, do we find it to be a permanent bedrock foundation to individual being (skt. jiva)? Or is the soul a fluid continuum flowing from universal awareness into an individualized vantage point and vice versa (i.e.,the actual flow of awareness from the infinite to the finite individual and back)?.

And, where does one commence his or her research? Do we utilize our own individual lives as laboratories personalizing the search into the question of who am I? And through this examination using both the intellect and heart (emotional center) peer within through thought and intuition into ourselves?

Also should this be one's starting point in getting to the root of dukkha (suffering, pain, and sadness)?

I am asking this not to critique your reply but in the spirit of transforming avidya (my ignorance for I know very little about such matters) into vidya (wisdom).

Thank you,
Namaste
07:07 PM on 11/22/2011
Please note, it was meant only as a starting point to explore the root or roots of dukkha.

Agreed there is an inner imperative that one might perchance obey and that is to move beyond the origin of suffering.

But is the inquiry into who I am and the root of my sensations, feelings, perceptions and thoughts the starting point?.
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05:33 PM on 11/16/2011
Karma is doing. Do or do not. Reap what you sow.
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My micro-bio has got it going on.
03:19 PM on 11/16/2011
It seems like the ancient Hindu's were very scientific people and then they got co-opted by pagans and they turned their idea's into a religion. Much of what I have read from the vedas and upinishads sounds very much like Newton's Law's of physics, I wonder if in 1000 years from now we'll try to make a religion out of them?
01:43 PM on 11/16/2011
Ideas like Karma cannot be taken seriously in a world were good people suffer for no reason, and evil people prosper for no reason.
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WesStrikesBack
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05:33 PM on 11/16/2011
Hard to prosper without doing. Remember, Karma is a verb, not a noun.
11:12 AM on 11/18/2011
there is always a reason!!! what is hard some times is to find it.
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02:11 PM on 11/15/2011
Where this cult teaching about karma leads is the fear of doing anything that is not authorized by your guru, and chanting Hare Krishna all the time hoping to avoid the results of your unavoidable sins and offenses against "devotees" while feeling oneself to be like "a worm in stool."
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flywithmeamerica
I'm not an elephant, I just have a head of one
04:57 PM on 11/15/2011
So when did you leave ISKCON? I left in the early 2000, though I'm still a Hindu and believe in Krishna...ISKCON, and the chanting seemed a little bit too cultish for me....I lasted only a couple years in ISKCON
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Paul108
10:26 AM on 11/16/2011
I started chanting in 1995 and moved to my first devotee community in 1997. Got initiated in 2003 , and just quit about a year ago. I chanted Krisha's names about a hundred million times. I was shaved up with a sikha, and wore tilak every day fire several years. I left because I got too feed up with the corruption, and now I'm kind of rebelling against religion. After all I've done, if Krisha is paying attention then He should let me know.
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12:49 AM on 11/16/2011
You don't need a Guru. What is commonly described as God's grace or Guru's grace in the Vedas is already present in you, or you would not be seeking for answers. A Guru can only point something out, he can never give you something that you don't have

You don't need to believe in anything, not in Krishna and not in any other deity. Classical Hinduism has Gods, but Hindu philosophy does not require them. Deities are only aids in bhakti yoga, the path of devotion. In the end -the absolute- there is no Krishna.

It is perfectly sufficient if you believe in your own existence, which is easy, because you can not possibly deny your own existence. In order to deny it you must exist. The Vedas knew that 2.000 years before Descartes.
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11:21 AM on 11/16/2011
How does Bhakti Yoga work unless the deities are front and central to one's life of devotion?
09:02 AM on 11/15/2011
I don't think this has been discussed yet, but there is such a thing as the Akaschic Records. This is a compilation of past lives of all who ever existed. Of course, it is not on tihs mateirla earth, but ni the spiritual/celestial dimension. However, with past life regression therpay, we cna call upon it whenever w elike.
This is similar to hypnosis, but the regressed person just relaxes and isnever called upon to act anything out.

It is an excellent way to dig out the origin of fears, habits, anxities which hold us back int his life. I had regression therapy and discovered why, although I enjoy riding as a passenger in a car, I have a deathly fear of driving.
08:44 PM on 11/18/2011
It is also here in our lives in this material existence.

Our fears, habits, anxieties, joys, pleasures, knowledge, ignorance -- all aspects of human consciousness as played out in the flesh is these records. They are not lifeless inventory of formerly lived experience but the circulation of consciousness (including that of which we are unaware) in the form of memory, emotions, and the imagination and our wishes,fantasies, dreams, desires and drives. It is the woof and warp of the alaya vijnana (repository or storehouse consciousness).

Akasha (skt. space -- considered the basis for existence)
08:47 AM on 11/15/2011
It has occurred to me that a recurring topic on tihs board is that: with 7 billion inhabitants on this present earth, how can there be enough souls? Well, a better explanation than the one I previouslygave is to imagine
a cemetery. No cemetery has to run out of burial space if they are willing to bury over the older remains that have sunk below. Same with incarnation of souls: each lifetime is filled with souls of people that have lived before. The body & lifetime is brand new but not the souls.

I sincerely hoped this has helped give guidance.
08:45 PM on 11/18/2011
Rather than souls as such it is a flow of shared memories.
07:23 AM on 11/19/2011
A flow of shared memories sounds so impersonal. I would think the soul's spiritual mind has past memories, tucked securely inside so as not to consciously interfere with lessons in this life .If we can consciously draw upon those memories, then we can avoid the punishing lessons, yes? It would be like cheating on school exams.
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04:52 PM on 11/14/2011
"If you want to see why you are suffering now look to your past causes. If you want to see the effects in the future look to your current causes." Nichiren Daishonin, Buddha of the Mappo
08:47 PM on 11/18/2011
@Myoho Mod

Look into your own life and speak from that point of view. Cease being directed by external authority such as scripture or the teachings of gurus. You yourself hold this torch.
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Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
04:54 PM on 11/19/2011
Gurus represent authority and there is no room for that in Buddhism. A mentor, which the Daishonin is exactly what is needed. With a mentor you are encouraged to experiment with what is taught and find out for yourself. "Thre greatest proof of all is actual proof"_Nichiren
04:42 PM on 11/14/2011
What never fails to amuse me is the number of non-believers, atheists or whatever they call themselves, who show up to read a religious article and then debate it with others. I mean, if you don't believe something, great, but why do you keep coming back to read about it and talk about it. It is as if they are scared that other people's beliefs might have an effect on their own (non)-beliefs. As if everyone must agree with them and see their point of view. That's some serious insecurity, there is no strength in numbers, folks. If you feel the need to convince everyone else, perhaps you need to look at your own convictions first.
06:06 PM on 11/14/2011
Ambidextre,
I feel the same way about people who post anti science/evolution/ pro extreme Christianity on
SCIENCE articles. And I both beleive in evolution/science . am Wiccian.
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10:01 PM on 11/14/2011
Sometimes people just want a good debate...or so it seems, then again some merely want to poke, prod and laugh. I think it's usually a good thing to encourage debate and discussion, the problem lies with which you pursue.
01:53 PM on 11/14/2011
as usual Pundit's article have several comments, some totally denying what he wrote, some in accordance, and some are just their own stuff. One thing which I feel many if not everyone failed to noticed was the last part of the article. Many have started to debate of this "Karma system" exists, or it is bad or good. To me the most interesting part is where Pundit mentions, how to get out of the cycle of Karma by mantra meditation, conscious cooking and devotional service. I guess it is time I finally buy the Bhagvada Gita and see what this is really all about :P
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edgraham
There is no magic
01:46 PM on 11/14/2011
"Why am I getting punished for something from a previous live if I can't even remember it?"

Why indeed! There is no Karma. Open your eyes and look around.
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Myoho Mod
Nam Myoho Renge Kyo
03:22 PM on 11/14/2011
There sure is and you live life in foolishness. See you just got yours
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edgraham
There is no magic
11:06 AM on 11/15/2011
I understand your comments, and those of others who believe in Karam, but your faith is believing in something for which there is not a shred of proof. No evidence.

My observations about Karma do not take "Past Lives" into consideration. I see good people get the shaft, and bad people get rewards.

PS. I got mine?
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10:02 PM on 11/14/2011
OK, but what I see is quite different from your own gaze.
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Donald Kraig
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11:03 AM on 11/14/2011
The problem I have with Gadadhara Pandit Dasa's opinion piece is that it is so oversimplified and Westernized that it totally misrepresents the true concept of karma. Karma is not some cosmic system of punishments and rewards. It is firmly based on reincarnation and cannot be accurately described without focusing on the different types of karma that result from actions in current and past lives, the purpose of reincarnation, and more. None of this is in Dasa's article. A brief yet far more accurate and specific article on karma can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/7xy9jsw
11:58 AM on 11/14/2011
Of course you would think the linked article is more accurate because YOU wrote it!! It is a good article but no more relevant than the Hindu Chaplain's article.
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Paul108
04:31 PM on 11/14/2011
I don't have time to read KraIg's article, but I spent over fifteen years as a devotee in Gadadhara Pandit's religion and can say for sure that his choice to not discuss reincarnation with karma is very odd.
12:15 PM on 11/14/2011
Everything that was in your link and much more can be found in the article by Gadadhara Pandit Dasa but without the Sanskrit labelling. Nowhere does his article claim, as you mistakenly imply, that karma is a system of reward and punishment. The article actually says while the one might at first think that karma is reward or punishment that view would be both wrong and incomplete. The article firmly places karma in its wider context of spiritual liberation/transcendence (which neither you nor your link does).

It would be useful if you actually read and understood an article and its subject matter before commenting on it.
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Redhunteur
If I damn yer POV will u turn the other cheek?
06:25 AM on 11/14/2011
Just another “be good now/be rewarded later” religious concept that people invented to make themselves feel better about living in an indifferent and exasperating world. No one wants to hear that they were mauled by a lion because that’s just what lions do, they need to hear that there was a reason, either a punishment or a warning or an opportunity for god to slide his caring hand down and stop that person from dying and proving he is loving and kind.

But hey, if it keeps some people from being jerks, have fun with it. At least at the heart of it lies a mentality that forbids them from using it their philosophy to harm others.
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03:32 PM on 11/14/2011
There is a karmic lesson in the your lion example. Don't play with lions or go into their enviorment they are dangerous animals that have since man first started to transition from ape to man have hunted us for food. But then again as a Buddhist the Hindu concept of karma is similar but different as we don't have a god judging over our karma or reaching out to save us from bad karma.
07:04 PM on 11/14/2011
as a Buddhist the Hindu concept of karma is similar but different as we don't have a god judging over our karma or reaching out to save us from bad karma.
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You're erroneously attributing the Christian notion of salvation to other systems. It's probably the paradigm into which you were born.
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Redhunteur
If I damn yer POV will u turn the other cheek?
03:59 AM on 11/15/2011
I was speaking of early man who would've run into things that would eat him such as lions. It seems to be that the notion of gods has been around since recorded history so I would imagine that it was in such primitive circumstances in dealing with weather, beasts, death and disease that much of it was born. Almost universally it seems, religions hoped to sway the gods with sacrifices, prayers and offerings, natural phenomenon being mistook for the actions of powerful beings with the ability to reward or punish at will. I believe it was out of these types of ignorant mindsets that much of the religions sprang from. I don't blame them though, early man wasn't that bright compared to what we know today. However, I think it's time to stop thinking that way now that we do know the non-god reasons for most of what happens on earth.
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WesStrikesBack
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05:44 PM on 11/16/2011
I believe the idea of karma is more along the lines of 'You reap what you sow in this life', opposed to the western religious paradigm of "Deny yourself pleasure in this life to get your own cloud and harp in the next."

There's a difference. Karma is activity. We are actively creating our own futures--there is activity that has a way of making us happy long term, and there's activity that will make our lives more difficult in the long term. This is how I see karma.

Just like Freud's Id, Ego and Superego. They do not actually exist, they are just terms to describe patterns of activity that we see in the mind and in nature.
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Redhunteur
If I damn yer POV will u turn the other cheek?
03:52 AM on 11/17/2011
Yes, I do see them both as spiritual type stuff too. I would even posit that making an effort to be nice and to be happy is going to directly influence others and keep the happy ball rolling as smiles usually beget smiles and frowns usually beget frowns and all of that. Happiness and anger are contagious so being happy is often a positive thing for others.

But the idea that there WILL be hardship in response to being "bad" or vice versa--while a nice concept--seems wishful and farfetched and I see no reason to think things actually work that way. I do appreciate the sentiments behind it though and I've yet to meet a Buddhist that is as big of a jerk as many others who hold to many other spiritual-type beliefs so at the very least it seems to make many folks better and happier people and that's always good.
11:19 PM on 11/13/2011
I cannot help it: when I read these things I always think of Edward Abbey's joke: "Gurus come from the sickliest and most dysfunctional places on Earth to tell us how to live." :o)
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10:08 PM on 11/14/2011
The actual quote is "The gurus come from the sickliest nation on earth to tell us how to live. And we pay them for it."

Edward Abbey (1927 - 1989)
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french queen13
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06:41 PM on 11/16/2011
How right he was.