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Catching Up With History

Posted: 02/ 2/11 07:06 PM ET

While some are talking loudly and long about cutting government spending, it is doubtful they will discuss cuts in a $40-billion-plus annual "intelligence" budget. This, despite the fact that our intelligence services and our far-flung diplomatic network failed to foresee the historic upheaval now underway throughout the Western end of the Muslim world.

There is at least an even chance that we are now entering a rare cycle of history that may take 20 to 30 years to resolve itself, with autocracies giving way to fragile democracies that in turn will evolve into radical fundamentalist regimes (think Iran), and possible civil wars. For the world's greatest superpower, this is a quandary. It is an even greater quandary when that superpower depends for a quarter of its oil imports on supplies from that region.

From the beginning of the Cold War, we adopted a policy (some called it political realism; I call it unprincipled expediency) described as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Thus, regardless of how repressive and anti-democratic a potentate might be, if he were anti-communist, he was our friend. We gave dozens of these types a lot of money and political support even though it was used to build up security services that locked up and tortured anyone who quoted our Declaration of Independence in the national square.

Curiously, we failed to notice that everyday people in these countries remember these things. Then when they summon the courage to take to the streets and demand freedom, we express surprise that they do not like us and reject our embrace. This has happened in country after country and now in a vital region that encompasses a billion and a half people.

If we believe what we claim to believe, and if we truly mean to stand on the principles embodied in our Constitution, we are going to have to do better than this. That is if we truly want to stay in the vanguard of history and not try to merely catch up to it as it disappears over the horizon and leaves us behind.

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While some are talking loudly and long about cutting government spending, it is doubtful they will discuss cuts in a $40-billion-plus annual "intelligence" budget. This, despite the fact that our int...
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bigkay
10:18 PM on 02/06/2011
I disagree with Mr. Hart, The people of Egypt and other Middle East countries are young well educated, have access to technology, the last thing they want is a fundamentalist regime.
They want freedom!
09:06 PM on 02/06/2011
Maybe it's time for Gary Hart to re-enter the political arena and challenge the neophyte, Obama, in 2012.
08:27 PM on 02/06/2011
It is an irony that the American people find it surprising that people in other countries don't like to be told how to live their lives.
08:23 PM on 02/06/2011
Western leaders should not assume that upstart democracies will create radical governments.

...unless, unless they are not allowed to develop in their own physical economic interests.

Democracy, in of itself, does not safeguard against radical fundamentalists, only a decent standard-of-living for all its citizens can do that.


Take for example, Kissinger's memorandum 200, a foreign policy which in principle, is still in play.

It basicly says that in order for Western countries to maintain their standard-of-living, they must destroy any improvements in the standard-of-living in Africa, through impossible debt and lack of development.

The idea being that, if African countries were to ever take an interest in their own raw materials, manufacturing, and food resources, then they would shun all policies that would otherwise make them "export" countries for oil, etc.

It's a cruel policy and those who crafted it also know that it's these policies that breed radicalism, not democracy.

So if we want to stop terrorism and a more stable world at peace, then Western countries are going to have to stop their consumer-shopping-lifestyles, focus on creating your own energy, instead of importing oil from others, and cooperate with other nations in "fair trade", not "free trade".

And like a good neighbor, these countries in the Middle East, N. Africa and elsewhere will be there for us.
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Libertarian09
Anti War Socialist with a taste for freedom
09:54 PM on 02/06/2011
Excellent post, captures succinctly the truth behind the rhetoric and lies that are flying around relating to current events.
10:45 PM on 02/06/2011
Having just read Memorandum 200 in the original (here:http://wlym.com/text/NSSM200.htm) rather than the Schiller Institute's 'analysis' of it, I'm going to have to call bulldust on that one.

Of the 15 policy recommendations made by Memo200, only one (labelled in the original the "alternate view", as in "not the recommended policy") even hints at "harsher" measures - Finding 37.

Findings 1-25 are findings of fact, 26-36 are what I would call "good" recommendations (for instance, limiting population growth via encouraging female education and workforce participation in the Third World (30(d)), increasing the living standards among the poorest to slow population growth (30(d)), encouraging worldwide political and popular commitment to slowing population growth (30(e)), endorsing and strengthening the World Population Plan of 1974 (31), provide data on population growth projections to governments whih may not have had the time & resources to compile it themselves (32(b)), providing training in economics with focus on demographic economics (32(c)), assure assistance in a variety of demographic areas to Third World leaders (32(e,f)), taking care to integrate Third World leaders & governments into the program at all levels (33), emphasising the rights of the individual (34) and encourage US popular participation and approval for funding of all of these efforts (36)) and 37 is the one that everyone objected to, even though it's labelled the 'alternate' (not recommended) view.

In short, the Schiller Institute's "analysis" of the memo is biased, inaccurate and simply wrong on the facts.
02:34 AM on 02/07/2011
The Schiller's "analysis" is not biased, inaccurate or wrong but spot on.

To even approach the topic of population by suggesting a "problem" with "overpopulated regions" is to imply, whether quantifying yourself or not, that Westerners must win the competition over resources.

Nobody but nobody has to 'compete' for resources because the earth provides an over abundance to make a transition to creating new resources that may be depleted by development.

Just look at the policies to date and it represents the so-called 'alternate view' you speak of.

We know it's Wall Street/City of London that lobbys our government to implement foreign policies of under-development and uses the IMF/World Bank to enforce them.

We've known that for years.

Whether you agree with Kissinger's memorandum 200 or not, if you want to see peace and not radical fundamentalists take over, then you have to agree that development is key.
07:53 PM on 02/06/2011
If Mubarak and the entire government just flew away and the constitution suspended, that would mean a real vacuum... for a brief window in time law and order suspended, making the process even more vulnerable to hijacking. The protesters are overcome with passion and emotion right now and they want a victory badly... but really it is in their best interests if everyone takes their time and does not rush this delicate process. Doing it too quickly could bring chaos which would probably be blamed on the US since we said we wanted it to happen NOW. We should tone back our rhetoric for that reason. Protesters of course would answer that 'for 30 years we were always told that democracy brings chaos and now we don't believe it' -- I understand their emotions there, but there is a small fallacy in their response. They are right, democracy does not bring chaos... but revolutions DO sometimes bring chaos. It has happened over and over again in history. A movement without a clear leader overthrows those in power... in a power vacuum suddenly multiple people claim leadership of the opposition, and without clear law and protocol, the risk of political violence goes through the roof. This is a dangerous phase for Egypt... Obama needs to stop acting like a protester and start acting like a president!
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Libertarian09
Anti War Socialist with a taste for freedom
10:06 PM on 02/06/2011
Here is the problem in my opinion. Too many people over here, me , you, business, and government all thinking we know what is best and what they should do. Some form their opinions based on a real desire for the interests of these foreign nationals, some base them on what is 'best' for ourselves or special interests but none of it matters. It is for the people in the region to decide what they want. If it takes a dozen revolutions before they settle on a government that works for them that is what it will take.We need to leave the region alone and stop meddling in its affairs so that those people can create the society they want, not the one we think they should have.

Presidents need to stop acting like 'world leaders' and focus on being national leaders, the only place they have legitimacy. The President is not a leader to the world, he is a dictator
07:53 PM on 02/06/2011
Here's the problem IMO... these protesters did not have a plan when they set out to have Mubarak removed. This was inspired by what happened in Tunisia... before then I suspect even Egyptians did not know this was coming. They want democracy, the people do, but having grown up in a dictatorship many do not have a clear conception of what democracy means. It is a way to maintain order... a country that allows its citizens a voice and opportunity to change things is a country that should never need to have a revolution that demands regime change. It is a way to maintain order where the people are in charge... government of the people by the people for the people shall not perish from the earth. Voting is not enough... you need a balance of power in the country... interest groups that can petition the government on behalf of large groups (veterans,big business,teachers unions, etc). Democracy is a stabilizer. One of the first lessons about democracy they should learn is that when there is no more autocrat, it is the responsibility of the people to protect the country and provide stability. With freedom comes responsibility.
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Wong23
Card-carrying Progressive
06:22 PM on 02/06/2011
There is the danger of over-estimating the Iranian experience, particularly for those uninformed of the nature of a distinctly different "Egyptian" culture among the nations of the middle east. The danger always exists that a power vacuum created by a popular coup d'etat, will leave the Muslim Brotherhood as the only viable power to take control, but such a scenario is unlikely. The Egyptian people have an innate aversion to an Iranian styled theocratic regime.

The strongest force in Egypt remains the military, which, unlike it's counterpart in the Iranian revolution, seems determined to maintain it's viability as the national political landscape changes. Observers should not underestimate the power of "extra-bureaucratic" relationships between senior officers of the US and Egyptian military elite. Many of these officers have trained together and developed friendships that have helped the forge, in part, the political philosophies of the largely US equipped Egyptian military. There should exist no doubts about the occurrence of late night calls between the senior level US officers and there Egyptian counterparts urging restraint and offering sage advice during these tumultuous days.

There is every reason to hope and be cautiously optimistic that the Egyptian military will have the necessary skills and patience to shepherd that nation into some semblance of a real parliamentary democracy and that the presence of a genuine semi-secular democratic Egypt in the region will be a real force in bringing of the rest of the Middle East along the same path.
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Libertarian09
Anti War Socialist with a taste for freedom
10:10 PM on 02/06/2011
A very thoughtful post Wong23. I think you may have foreseen the future, I believe that what we are going to be looking at will be similar to what we saw in Pakistan when Musharraf staged a military coup. We are quite comfortable dealing with such military governments and I am sure that this is what the US, behind the scenes anyways, will be pressing for.
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Kazzim Zongo
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend.
06:06 PM on 02/06/2011
That's your wisdom, Hart? "We are going to have to do better than this" Can you get any more vacuous? We are interfering now in the process and we will continue to manipulate the outcome, all the while spewing forth meaningless praise and support for the Egyptian people. We cant stop ourselves; it's in our national DNA.
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nkurland
I'm going to leave this planet alive
05:58 PM on 02/06/2011
If I'm not mistaken, one of the definitions of a theocracy is a country whose leaders claims to have spoken to God. Forget out the ME, we just had a theocracy from 2001-2009.
06:07 PM on 02/06/2011
Everyone speaks to God. It's the ones who hear Him answer that worries me.
05:02 PM on 02/06/2011
So, we have decided that it is better to support the democratic ideal that may or may not be possible under "radical fundamentalist regimes" than to protect a known and able enemy to our security. Of course we will regret this, but will we then learn the lesson (albeit the hard way) and never make it again? I doubt it.
03:23 PM on 02/06/2011
Mr Hart is correct that the likely outcome for Egypt is a "1 man, 1 vote, 1 time" election (ala Hamas in the Gaza strip).

The problem is that a fast removal of Mubarak leaves a power vacuum, and little time for pro-western, democratic forces to coalesce and be ready for a general election. Based on the news coverage so far, the Muslim Brotherhood seems the loudest and most organized of the opposition - not a good sign for the forces of liberty and democracy.

The wisest move is a coordinated, smooth and publicy announced plan to transition away from autocratic rule and towards free, fair and open elections.

Unfortunately, even a free and fair election may bring the Brotherhood to power. If that happens, it's very likely to take Egypt down a darker path than it's been on.

Mr Hart is taking Monday-morning quarterbacking to a pompous extreme though when sniffing about the regimes the US supported in the past during the Cold War. What were the democratic regime alternatives the US had to support in those times?

Democracy has been widespread in the West mainly since WW2, and only recently in some 3rd world countries. There's just not been a long standing tradition of democratically elected governments in most of the world.
04:43 PM on 02/06/2011
tOTALLY agree with you. Especially true of the mid-east were democracy has no roots. Unfortunately it is more than likely that these regimes will become religious fundamentalist like Iran. Also agree that Hart is monday morning quarterbacking... However, there is one solid point he raises. Where was the effin intelligence on this. Some heads need to roll in the CIA and state department...
05:57 PM on 02/06/2011
Hamas was democratically elected in Gaza. They did not have a chance to fail before the voters. The United States and Israel successfully turned Gaza into one of the world's (if not the world's) largest camp. Diplomatic isolation. Food rationing. Medical rationing.

In democracies, the failed party is (theoretically) replaced. The US and Israel took the low road. Did not even give Hamas a chance to fail. Did not give Hamas a chance to show just how shoddy they could be.

No. Instead, we welcomed free elections in Gaza. And, as soon as we did not get the expected results... we turned our backs on our own principles. Hypocrisy at its finest. Only the chosen few are good enough to lead, according to us. Sounds like an autocracy.

The Emperor has no clothes.
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MichaelGuy
Swiis Canton, Dutch Republic, advocate
03:06 PM on 02/06/2011
It appears that the atavistic, savage Muslim zealots have learned to emulate and imitate their atheistic Jacobin-Marxist brethren. First comes the overthrow of an ostensible monarch or dictator. After democratic, multi=party alliances cause the abdication of the monarch or dictator , a Parliamente-Duma_reichstag or Congress is established. An impoverished country with a diprderly transiyion of power and political factions vying for hegemony and control cause paralysis in the progress towards prosperity and freedom. Soon a radical aprty arises, one that is apparently antithetical and antagonistic towards Nicene Creed Christianity and the compromises necessaru in a democratic republic arises. At first this partyy infiltrates the democratic legislative ( and judicial) powers by way of popular election. Once embedded in the host house of legislators, the party causes a coup then a one=party tyranny, replete with purgings, enslavement or execution of any person in an alternative political faction or party. Finally after a, totalitarian, brutal, savage reign of terror, the dictaor and his party assume dictatorial control of all aspects of life and make it a capital offense to anyone or even their family members who harbor any disssent or disagreement. So the disciples of Mohamed follow the same path as the disciples of Marx. The rule of Sharia will resemble the laws in a socialist regime. Sheiks, imams and mullahs will be KGB, Red Guard Gestapo agents quoting the Koran instead of Marx or Mao. ( I wonder how far alomg are the Democrats in this process?)
07:36 PM on 02/06/2011
Just like the Democrats, eh? Thank you for your insightful comments from the outer reaches of Glenbeckistan. Never pass up a chance to cheapen the national discourse.
02:59 PM on 02/06/2011
Hmmm - again, "where's the beef?" i.e. What's his solution?

The two men swapped victories in the primaries, with Hart getting exposure as a candidate with "new ideas" and Mondale rallying the party establishment to his side.[3] The two men fought to a draw in the Super Tuesday, with Hart winning states in the West, Florida, and New England. Mondale fought back and began ridiculing Hart's campaign platform. The most famous television moment of the campaign was during a debate when he mocked Hart's "new ideas" by quoting a line from a popular Wendy's television commercial at the time: "Where's the beef?". Hart's campaign could not effectively counter this remark, and when he ran negative TV commercials against Mondale in the Illinois primary, his appeal as a new kind of Democrat never entirely recovered.
02:07 PM on 02/06/2011
A lot of what he says makes lots of sense and I thought he was just warming up until he suddenly ends: "we are going to have to do better than this." Sure, tell us. In Africa south of Sahara when we have nothing more useful to say or don't want to say it, we just say, hey, tthe power just went and I don't have that much juice left on my laptop battery. Oh, dear, excuse me the power
01:54 PM on 02/06/2011
Think of the screams of "interference" we hear in our own country when we feel that other nations are meddling in our country!

Is there any wonder that our government is viewed so negatively in so many areas of the world?

This revolution is mainly about the right of the people in these countries to determine their own destinies. The more we interfere, the more likely we are to find an outcome that we find objectionable.

Now is the time for the leaders of the relatively modern Arab states to provide example. Jordan--with its unique place in both geography and history--comes to mind.
03:24 PM on 02/06/2011
Which middle-eastern democracies would best serve Egypt as examples of government of the people, for the people, by the people?