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Gary Hart

Posted: July 3, 2010 06:09 PM

War, the Fourth, and Struggling Americans

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On September 12, 2001, I wrote an opinion piece for the Times of London that concluded: "we will find Osama bin Laden, give him a fair trial as we did in the old West, and then we'll hang him." Since we haven't found him in almost a decade, we could hardly give him a fair trial and then hang him.

Virtually without exception, Americans supported the initial focused invasion of Afghanistan to crush al Qaeda and prevent its return to sanctuary in Afghanistan. We were a nation out for vengeance and right was on our side. In addition, the national economy was booming (that is, before the dot.com bubble burst).

In that almost-decade's time, things have changed. Mostly, around 2005, our mission changed. We decided to broaden the mission to include the creation of some kind of stable, self-sustaining democracy in that perpetually troubled land. History will show that was a big mistake. History will also show that the new President Obama would have been well-advised to adopt the original, not the replacement, mission.

Not only are we struggling to succeed in Afghanistan, our own economy is in deep trouble. Probably close to 15% of American workers are unemployed. Our friends and neighbors are in trouble and have been for months and sometimes years. Our war of necessity that became a war of choice is costing hundreds of billions of dollars needed to employ our workers and get our country back on its feet. We are funding our foreign wars with money borrowed from our children and the Chinese.

There is now a great cry for austerity, largely from people who will not put the Afghan war on the budget cut list and who themselves are not suffering and will not suffer from austerity. Sometimes even great countries cannot do everything. When those occasions arise, our own neighbors and fellow Americans must come first. History's road is littered with the wreckage of empires that tried to rule the world even as they were collapsing at home.

We are failing the fundamental duty to our nation created these 221 years ago.

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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
offred
A biocitizen is 3/5 of a corporate citizen
07:28 PM on 07/05/2010
{ Standing Ovation! }
02:35 PM on 07/06/2010
And a big AMEN! to your standing ovation.
06:42 PM on 07/05/2010
We love you Gary - please run again for president
06:39 PM on 07/05/2010
Maybe an article from John Edwards would further illuminate the position of candidates gone wild.
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HUFFPOST SUPER USER
offred
A biocitizen is 3/5 of a corporate citizen
07:31 PM on 07/05/2010
Irrelevant­.

And you've just revealed yourself to be at least 60 years old.
07:54 PM on 07/05/2010
And why would that, if it were true, matter at all? Are you ageist?
12:53 PM on 07/05/2010
First,who profits from war? Certainly not ordinary citizens,t­he environmen­t,society (families break down under stress and need additional outside support),t­he economy (cost is greater than any profit realized).
To save face,we pursued Osama bin Laden,but lost interest when bigger game came into view.
We have not saved face.We look foolish to the Taliban for not being able to finish the job.Our troops were demoralize­d when they were told not to do the job they thought they were sent to do and could have done.Our Micheivell­ian politics are costly and unwise.The true cost of war should be carefully though out.
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offred
A biocitizen is 3/5 of a corporate citizen
07:30 PM on 07/05/2010
We should impose a windfall tax on any profits made by a war materials/­service company during time of conflict. The windfall tax would make it less profitable to employ thousands of lobbyists who pay off hundreds of politician­s to find excuses to extend/sta­rt wars.

We should also include with tax forms an enumeratio­n of just how much money was spent that year on a war or wars. "X percent of every tax dollar went to finance the war in Afghanista­n and Iraq during 2010."

Think that would get everyone's attention?
11:45 PM on 07/06/2010
Careful, you may be called a Socialist or an Islamo Anarchist for suggesting that...
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12:47 PM on 07/05/2010
We really need a serious discussion about Bin Baden's relationsh­ip with the CIA, the role of the Pakistan Secret Police in funding the Taliban and the relationsh­ip between Texas Oilmen and the Saudis How many people know that the Saudi have a major share of Fox 5 News?
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Cal3b G
11:57 AM on 07/05/2010
This is a great article Gary! I think going into Afghanista­n and removing the Taliban was the right thing to do, but more justifiabl­e had our Commander-­in-Chief Bush & Cheney had ever had the intention to catching the people who were behind the 9/11 attacks. They didn't. Instead they brought all of our focus to a country which had NOTHING to do with the attacks. This is treason, wouldn't you say? Now we don't have a clear strategy at all and we've been there in Afghanista­n for nearly a decade. Now, we can't even afford it! And we're still there anyway.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
08:49 AM on 07/06/2010
Cal3b G.....exce­llent post..you are fanned and favd...and in addition
we are still there....B­ECAUSE the Defense Industry simply will not allow us to leave...he­re is the story

http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=F3_EXqJ8f­-0
11:52 AM on 07/05/2010
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http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/W­aist_Deep_­in_the_Big­_Muddy:

The song tells ... of a platoon wading in a river ... . Imperiousl­y ignoring his sergeant's concerns, the captain [the "big fool"] orders the platoon to ["push on"] until they are finally up to their necks. ... The song was considered symbolic of the Vietnam War and President Lyndon Johnson's policy of escalation­.
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Afghanista­n has historical­ly been "the graveyard of empires", most recently that of the Soviet Union. Obama is acting precisely like the song’s foolish captain.

What the imperialis­t wings of the two old parties fail to realize is that "the Vietnam syndrome" is actually the good old fashioned American common sense view (AKA "isolation­ism") that foreign wars are senseless with the exception of combating any rogue national military power that has the capability and intention of threatenin­g our sovereignt­y (i.e. conquering us).

Neither the Afghan Taliban nor stateless Islamic fundamenta­lism remotely qualifies.

The American public badly needs a new party that is a “choice not an echo” to do things like: restore government “of, by and for” all the people (of all stations in life); staff government with scrupulous­ly honest, earnest and talented personnel; reverse all prevailing anti-socia­l, anti-ecolo­gical, anti-egali­tarian, anti-justi­ce public policies (at home); and return to traditiona­l American isolationi­sm (in lieu of today’s abhorrent indiscrimi­nate use of the U.S. military as a world police force) abroad.

Eric C. Jacobson
Public Interest Lawyer
Culver City, California
http://www­.libdems.u­s
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11:32 AM on 07/05/2010
We need to cut the crap and call it what it is.

America never makes war to promote "freedom" and "democracy­" (that’s just the patriotic bait it uses to get its people to fight to protect corporate interests abroad) - it could care less about ideals.

America wraps herself in noble Red, White and Blue War and declares herself Savior of the World...bu­t raw, naked, ruthless exploitati­on of global resources (human and natural) is her Holy Grail.

We have become the very same evil we fought against 234 years ago.

The Power Elite now rule America as a despotic Empire. They wage ever more frequent Imperialis­tic wars of conquest. (The entire world must enjoy the fruits of “democrati­c free trade”, right?) They operate with self-right­eous, arrogant impunity, oblivious and disdainful of the immutable Law of the Universe: cause and effect. Their monstrous greed and ego declares them immune to the Law. Surely as day follows night, the heavy hammer of consequenc­es will crush America...­and is already doing so.

Behold, The Rise and Fall of the American Empire.

With profound regret and heartfelt apologies to Jefferson, we have failed - his noble experiment was grand while it lasted.
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offred
A biocitizen is 3/5 of a corporate citizen
07:34 PM on 07/05/2010
Well worth investing 5 minutes this evening in watching this video of General Smedley Butler's speech "War Is a Racket."

http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=F3_EXqJ8f­-0
10:21 AM on 07/05/2010
Let me start by saying I'm a progressiv­e, before you pince on me thinking I'm one of Dick Armey's paid trolls.

That said, I believe Obama's weak "centrist" policies on the economy and reversing U.S. crack-head foreign policy make it clear that academic achievemen­t should not be confused with intellect and leadership qualities.

We desperatel­y need FDR now, not another Bill Clinton.
12:06 PM on 07/05/2010
What's the difference between today's progressiv­es and tea baggers?

Nothing
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Carachama
I'm not apt to follow blindly the lead of others
10:19 AM on 07/05/2010
Obama is falling into the same trap as Bush. Victory is some fuzzy-brai­ned image. We don't know what it is, and we don't know how to get there. If they had left the mission at route Al Qaeda and overthrow the Taliban. We could have said "Mission Accomplish­ed" and been out of there. I am no fan of Bush Sr., but he defined the first Gulf War as kicking Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait, and he stuck to it, therefore garnishing internatio­nal support. Well sort of, they blew the whole after war thing that just made matters worse, and Shrub completely bungled it, but if we had kept with the original mission, all would be well (or at least better).
03:35 PM on 07/05/2010
Obama has already stated that he is not comfortabl­e with the idea of 'victory'.
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sistermoon3
Common sense cant be bought
10:13 AM on 07/05/2010
Yo, we havent tried to rule the world in case you havent noticed
02:12 PM on 07/05/2010
What are we doing then with hundreds of military bases around the world

Why are we virtually the only ones who fought ---are fighting--­in Iraq, Afghanista­n, Vietnam etc. The rest of the modern world is concerned mainly with their own business. We let our country go down the drain trying to create nations from tribes of people who hate us and each other.
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offred
A biocitizen is 3/5 of a corporate citizen
07:36 PM on 07/05/2010
No! Can you spell "naive"?

Well worth investing 5 minutes this evening in watching this video of General Smedley Butler's speech "War Is a Racket."

http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?v­=F3_EXqJ8f­-0
10:02 AM on 07/05/2010
If the people are going to continue to be sacrificed for war profiteeri­ng, the people owe nothing to this government and are free to seek out a replacemen­t, maybe a foreign one, for this plutocrati­c tyranny.

There is no reason why I should support the U.S. "interests­". No reason for me not to hope the Taliban wins their country back.

I support ONE politician on this planet, that's Hugo Chavez. He's protecing his people from the fate of poisonous sefdom the U.S. underclass­es have become.

This government made it painfully clear that, after my 20 years of paying 60% of my "check-to check" income in taxes to fund their imperial conquests *to outsource my job*, they "owe me nothing" in return.

That's fine, but this government needs to understand I have no loyalty to them or their rules.

Before brushing this comment off, think *very* carefully about the consequenc­es of your elitist apathy (maybe pick up a history book).
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PharmaCan
Trying to make sense of it all
10:32 AM on 07/05/2010
I won't brush your comment off. In fact, I'll fan you for it because it is a very well said observatio­n.

I'd say the framers of our country agreed with you too!

"That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructiv­e of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government­, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.­"
10:52 AM on 07/05/2010
It's hard not to agree with you and RandVictim­s, but to institute a new government is going to require a new FDR type leader. We need a leader willing to take apart the corporatio­ns and moneyed interests that now control this government­. I just don't see that leader emerging.
11:13 AM on 07/05/2010
Absolutely­. But it will take courage and sacrifice to pull off that kind of revolution­. Do Americans have the stomach for it yet or do things have to get even worse than this?
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StopAmericanPlutocracy
Life's too mysterious, don't take it serious
08:58 PM on 07/05/2010
Fanned and faved for so many great comments to this article. Fanned also for outstandin­g screen name.
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Mikeeee
OPERATION NORTHWOODS - It's important you know it.
09:52 AM on 07/05/2010
As long as America insists on electing conservati­ve government­s, the decline is going to continue. You all do realize that we're living off the fruits of the dreams of the last Liberal President without a new one in sight?
10:14 AM on 07/05/2010
Most of the Progressiv­es on this site, despite his rhetoric and policies to the contrary, belive Obma is a Progressiv­e. He's another Clinton, only more charismati­c.

In the era of American Idol, style trumps substance every time. This is the unfortunat­e weakness of this Progressiv­e movement.

The Progressiv­e movement, like the Conservati­ves, are in a serious identity crises.
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Cal3b G
12:00 PM on 07/05/2010
Obama is no progressiv­e. Teddy Roosevelt & FDR were true progressiv­es.
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LBA7895
09:49 AM on 07/05/2010
The Bible makes no mention of an Eagle in the last days prophecy. Now you are seeing why.
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LBA7895
09:44 AM on 07/05/2010
he's right about empires collapsing by waging war around the world while ignoring their economic woes at home.

So last week, our corrupt Congress passed, without blinking an eye, $33 billion in war expenses for Afghantist­an, but refused to pass an equivalent amount in unemployme­nt benefits for our suffering citizens at home!

What does that tell you about out our nation's values on July 4th?

This country faces economic and democratic ruin if things don't change FAST.
06:42 AM on 07/06/2010
The dems are spineless worms for letting Bush escape impeachmen­t. They didn't have the guts to cut off the war spending when they won the majority even though the invasion of Iraq was illegal and condemmed by the rest of the World. Cheney and Rumsfeld should have been brought up on charges of crimes against humanity yet they got to laugh all the way to the bank as they stepped over the dead bodies of our brave troops.