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Geoff Kors

Geoff Kors

Posted: April 28, 2010 11:03 AM

On Boy Scouts Question, CA Chooses Equality

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Earlier this month, the California Assembly Judiciary Committee, on a bi-partisan vote, defeated a resolution honoring the Boy Scouts of America on their 100th anniversary. The reason: the Boy Scouts' perpetual discrimination against participants and troop leaders who aren't heterosexual. Equality California testified at the hearing and submitted a letter in opposition to this resolution .

The bill's proponents knew that honoring the Boy Scouts in spite of their policy of discrimination would face opposition. Assemblymember Curt Hagman, the Diamond Bar Republican who authored the resolution, couldn't even bring himself to say why the bill didn't pass. He simply slammed the refusal of other committee members to pass the bill as "partisanship." But committee chair Mike Feuer and the other committee members who voted down the resolution were very clear that their decision was about equality and fairness towards LGBT people, who are protected under California's laws.

,Almost 3 million young men and boys participate in the Boy Scouts. Many of them are not heterosexual. Some are too young still to be aware of their sexual orientation. Those who may come out of the closet later in life are being taught by the organization to feel shame and those who are straight are learning that it is okay to discriminate.

Our youth, regardless of their sexual orientation, need to see positive images of LGBT people. They need to learn that LGBT people deserve, just like anyone else, to live lives free of prejudice, harassment and hate crimes. We need to help them grow up seeing that diversity makes our state stronger. Our youth need these lessons to be age-appropriate, and they need them when they are still young and forming their understanding of the world.

Hagman pointed out that the Boy Scouts are exemplary citizens who benefit society by delivering food to the needy, keeping the environment clean and performing community service. These are great actions indeed. But what does it mean when we tell LGBT youth that they do not deserve to be a part of an organization performing these services? It's as if we are telling them they are not a part of the community. This is a message we should never send to any of our young people, regardless of who they are. We should never tell our youth that they cannot and should not be a part of efforts to make society stronger. That is why we supported a resolution that very day honoring the Girl Scouts. Unlike the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts don't discriminate.

We've made some great progress in supporting LGBT youth here in California. We've passed bills that create uniform anti-discrimination codes for schools and created a day of recognition for Harvey Milk that helps educators to talk with their students about LGBT issues. This year we are sponsoring a bill that would make it easier for youth to access mental health services. We know all too well that many of our youth give in to the pressures of discrimination and take their own lives. We have to create a climate in which all youth can grow up safe and be who they are. All youth have a lot to contribute.

Equality California applauds Assemblymember Feuer for leading the committee in rejecting this resolution. We need to move forward together as one community, without leaving anyone behind.

 

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Earlier this month, the California Assembly Judiciary Committee, on a bi-partisan vote, defeated a resolution honoring the Boy Scouts of America on their 100th anniversary. The reason: the Boy Scouts'...
Earlier this month, the California Assembly Judiciary Committee, on a bi-partisan vote, defeated a resolution honoring the Boy Scouts of America on their 100th anniversary. The reason: the Boy Scouts'...
 
 
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FairProgressive
Liberalism is totalitarianism with a
05:02 PM on 06/23/2010
and today the supreme court slaps California lunacy down via boyscout ruling. core one for the good guys !
03:22 PM on 05/18/2010
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WYHKTai-Tai
Wyoming, Hong Kong, Tai-Tai
08:40 PM on 05/02/2010
Glad my boys are going through scouting over here in Hong Kong. I don't think we would be doing this if we were back in the States.
It sounds like most troops are 'sponsored' by Churches with a definite agenda, and BSA headquarters also seem to have some ideas that I really disagree with. I think the homophobia is at best, a blind misguided attempt to keep the boys 'safe' from predators on camping trips. At worst, simply bigotry. At any rate, it is counterproductive in the least, it only hurts the organization, and as this article says, teaches & reinforces some VERY bad lessons from a very early age. Luckily, I've never seen that here, & there are a few of the older teen boys who are 'out' and still an integral part of the troop. So I KNOW it can work and works well.
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WYHKTai-Tai
Wyoming, Hong Kong, Tai-Tai
08:42 PM on 05/02/2010
Part-2 sorry, too many words!

The only hint of discrimination I've encountered:
I was on 1 interview 'council' to pass an older boy to (can't remember the rank name) 2nd down from Eagle. I just happened to be one of the parents near-by. One of the questions was about his reverence and faith. He was a local Hong Kong Chinese boy and said, his family were Buddhist, but he was really an atheist. After answering every other question eloquently, showing himself to be a an exemplary young citizen; The more experienced leader took issue with that and was reluctant to pass him. I flat out told her "You can't discriminate against his religious-spiritual CHOICE! I vote pass with flying colours!" He did pass. There are too many non-Christians here in our cultural mix to to get away with that. So Again, I'm glad I'm here.

I'm not sure WHY most BSA troops in the States have to be sponsored by Church groups, but I do think that that is a problem.
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Scott Zwartz
08:16 PM on 04/28/2010
I was a Scout and it was extremely homophobic. The Scout leaders encouraged it. For them, being bigoted was manly. They were also racist and anti-Semitic. Fortunately, I was only Gay and Jewish. What would have happened if I'd been Black? Then it would have been Three Strikes! Then I joined AZA where they only talked about girls and gambling. AZA was too interested in girls to worry about Gays or that I was Gay. That's when I asked myself, "Why were the Scouts so preoccupied with other men's penises?"
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
01:41 PM on 04/28/2010
As someone who participated and supported BSA for many, many years (over 20), I am very ashamed of them for their non-inclusiveness and discriminatory policies, including those against Athieists. When that decision came out, I stopped supporting them and so did my son. We haven't missed them at all.
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01:01 PM on 04/28/2010
Another reason to leave California.
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01:18 PM on 04/28/2010
I know a heterosexual male who was a co-leader, along with his wife, of a girl scout troop. As a member of a local search and rescue team, he was a valuable asset to the troop and to the entire Girl Scout Council in our area. When you start reducing people to their sexual orientation and start eliminating them on that basis, you lose some very valuable contributions.

Fortunately, unlike the Boy Scouts, the Girl Scouts of America has always been about inclusion and does not discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation. I was a Girl Scout Leader for five years, and it's one of the finest organizations I've ever been associated with.
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Romulus
02:44 PM on 04/28/2010
As I've said elsewhere, I'm certain that most hetero males are not a danger to young girls. But, I have an 11 year old grandaughter and I would not want to take a chance that a hetero male in charge of her Girl Scout troop was NOT the exception to the rule.
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DevonTexas
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01:41 PM on 04/28/2010
I'll hold the door! LOL!
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Romulus
12:25 PM on 04/28/2010
Would you put a heterosexual male in charge of a Girl Scout troop? I wouldn't.
01:07 PM on 04/28/2010
My heterosexual male friends aren't interested in little girls sexually.

What are you telling us about your own internal thoughts?
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
01:42 PM on 04/28/2010
LOL. good one!
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01:50 PM on 04/28/2010
See my comment above. I meant to post it here.
11:36 AM on 04/28/2010
In my experience the Boy Scouts are an organization for adult troop leaders to meet and have affairs, while the boys make fun of the (supposed) gay kid. The "doing good deeds" thing is a once a year event, while camping outside and reciting odd pledges (that most kids won't realize are religious and intolerant until they are adults) that in their spirit are hateful towards a couple of those kids. (On a side note, while the Boy Scouts are very homophobic, their outings are very homo-erotic...)

But all that aside, it really is an organization that tries to spread its "Christian" message through the illusion of respect of Native traditions. That in and of itself should annoy more people. It's not about honoring or atonement for the cultures this country has exterminated, but rather appropriating them to spread their brand of faith.
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blackraisin
Life, Liberty, Property.
02:56 PM on 04/28/2010
Wow, way to condem 3 Million people in less than 3 seconds. Very tolerant. As an Eagle Scout, I can attest that the goals of Scouting are to teach young men practical skills and instill them with positive character traits. (The scout Law)

As for the kids not realizing that the Oath is religious, you pledge to do your duty to "GOD" and your country. The Boy Scouts are not discrete about their support for the religious community. They are a Christian-based organization that is still welcome to non-Christians. After all most troops are based out of churches.

And your assumption that respect for Indian traditions is a ploy, is just dead wrong. Scouts are taught to respect nature and most notably to "leave no trace" when camping. Seems like they are promoting a low carbon footprint that global warming alarmists should love.
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SouthJerseySteve
Progressive isn't a dirty word.
05:40 PM on 04/28/2010
The only "Native American" traditions I remember in Scouting was the Order of the Arrow. How gay was that? We used to call it Indian Drag Races. Oh, and the Scouting Motto is very religious and being a 100% Jewish Scouting troop (I became an Eagle Scout in 1976), we encountered our share of discrimination from BSA "corporate" as many events were held on Saturdays, our Jewish Sabbath so our troop was excluded from many local events.
05:43 PM on 04/28/2010
Sure, as long as those young men are heterosexual......
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WYHKTai-Tai
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08:54 PM on 05/02/2010
You seem to have had a really bad experience. As it is all parent/volunteer run, I think it would vary from group to group wildly.

My Cub Scouts do 1 BIG service project every month, not once a year. I and the other leaders feel that that is one of the best things the program has to offer, so we emphasize that.

But as I said above, if troops in the States are sponsored, dominated by, a Church with an agenda, they may not have the leeway we have. I'm sure it is a whole different experience.

Have to agree with the Quasi-Native American stuff. Most of it feels very corny and inappropriate, even insulting somehow.